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[Crayon]

I doubt that it will be enough. I do not expect the performance to match exactly and then you're left with "oh, the Nvidia card is 10% faster and has better production software support, maybe I want to try Ai?" --> Nvidia it is

I think AMD and Nvidia are currently slowly killing PC gaming...

Every has their own ideas of what's enough, though. 9070 XT at $600 against 5070ti is enough for me going with what else (we think) we know. You can't help but compare it to the 5070 at that price and for $50 more it's very good as long as you consider buying amd in the first place.

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The non-xt branding drives me nuts. Does anyone else feel like it gives off an air of being a nerfed 'xt' instead of a proper stablemate? I don't know why that doesn't seem to happen with 'ti' branding. The non-xt models seem to fade into the background. They even seem to have less stock on average.

 

[CrustyBritches]

Every has their own ideas of what's enough, though. 9070 XT at $600 against 5070ti is enough for me going with what else (we think) we know. You can't help but compare it to the 5070 at that price and for $50 more it's very good as long as you consider buying amd in the first place.

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The non-xt branding drives me nuts. Does anyone else feel like it gives off annairt of being a nerfed 'xt' instead of a proper stablemate? I don't know why that doesn't seem no happen with 'ti' branding. The non-xt models seem to fade into the background. They even seem to have less stock on average.

This is kind of where I'm at, too. Expecting something in between a 5070 and 5070 Ti in performance. More on level of CNN DLSS, no MFG, less performant RT. $650 for a decent brand like Sapphire or PowerColor would be highly appealing.

 

[SolidQ]

The non-xt models seem to fade into the background. They even seem to have less stock on average.

This time nonXT is very good, and up 7900XT perf. Also based on price screens seems ~150$ difference between nonXT and XT

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Unboxing from the above redditer, on X (Youtube video was taken down)

Thank fucking god for gigabyte, 3 gens in a row now they got rid of the shitty 3x dp 1x hdmi for 2x both.

 

[Crayon]

This is kind of where I'm at, too. Expecting something in between a 5070 and 5070 Ti in performance. More on level of CNN DLSS, no MFG, less performant RT. $650 for a decent brand like Sapphire or PowerColor would be highly appealing.

I'd want more like $600 for xt to say "wow".

Actually available to buy at $650 isn't crazy right this minute, though.

The latest we're seeing is hopefully placeholder prices of $650/$750. That's not working for me. Is that the "mid range" they've been talking up all this time? So how much do they want for a 9060XT?!?

The 6900GRE was $550 and now the "8800XT" would be $750? What are they doing with the product stack? What are you supposed to get for $300? An 8gb 9050?

 

[CrustyBritches]

I'd want more like $600 for xt to say "wow".

Actually available to buy at $650 isn't crazy right this minute, though.

The latest we're seeing is hopefully placeholder prices of $650/$750. That's not working for me. Is that the "mid range" they've been talking up all this time? So how much do they want for a 9060XT?!?

The 6900GRE was $550 and now the "8800XT" would be $750? What are they doing with the product stack? What are you supposed to get for $300? An 8gb 9050?

Understandable. Of course it all depends on the performance. $650 for a Nitro+ or Red Devil would be impulse buy territory for me if it's in between a 5070 and 5070 Ti. $750usd MSRP with the premium cards going for $800-900 would be a tragedy.

 

[SolidQ]

for now you can watch STX HALO review

 

[lachesis]

$600-$650 was my maximum that I was thinking of buying 9070XT. At $750+ I will wait on the reviews and see if it's a worthy of its price.... as I want good Nvidia style HDR implementation + AI upscaled videos, and may even just wait until Nvidia 5070Ti stock issues get resolved and get one at MSRP.

AMD had a lot to prove with this FSR4, and in order to convince mass to convert to FSR4 and their card, they really need to market aggressively. Looks like another missed opportunity.

 

[Zacfoldor]

There is safety in numbers. Never buy parts that are out of the mainstream. Your custom parts will have custom issues that don't have workarounds. Safety in numbers, benchmarks be damned.

 

[SolidQ]

More than GRE 40%+ perf (c)

 

[welshrat]

There is safety in numbers. Never buy parts that are out of the mainstream. Your custom parts will have custom issues that don't have workarounds. Safety in numbers, benchmarks be damned.

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[Insolent]

Buy 7900 xtx while its still around 1000
It will cost more after 9xxx release

 

[SolidQ]

9070 nonXT

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Buy 7900 xtx while its still around 1000
It will cost more after 9xxx release

Yeah buy a 7900xtx If you don't want FSR 4.0 and worse Raytracing performance with more Vram.

 

[Crayon]

Yeah buy a 7900xtx If you don't want FSR 4.0 and worse Raytracing performance with more Vram.

yah idk why you'd mess with a $1000 xtx when the high estimate for 9070 is $750. If anything, wait till they're trying to dump those things.

 

[Bojji]

9070 nonXT

So based on this 9070 non XT will be almost on par with 7900XTX/4080. You really believe this?

 

[SolidQ]

So based on this 9070 non XT will be almost on par with 7900XTX/4080. You really believe this?

Did you read it? it's ML/FP16/FP32 perf

 

[Bojji]

Did you read it? it's ML/FP16/FP32 perf

It's running on shader cores? So it's related to overall performance of GPU more or less.

 

[SolidQ]

It's running on shader cores? So it's related to overall performance of GPU more or less.

Gaming is here

 

[Trogdor1123]

9070 nonXT

Is that good?

 

[SolidQ]

Is that good?

Very

 

[owandeseis]

Gaming is here

Time to invest in AMD. Stonks

 

[Trogdor1123]

Very

Can you ball park it for me a bit?

 

[SegaSnatcher]

Once FSR can actually compete with DLSS I'd give AMD a look, but DLSS is way too good to pass up.

 

[CrustyBritches]

Let's hope for good availability for the 9070 cards.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Let's hope for good availability for the 9070 cards.

 

[Moneal]

Buy 7900 xtx while its still around 1000
It will cost more after 9xxx release

Did exactly that yesterday.

 

[kiphalfton]

Guess I don't understand why anybody would buy a 9070 XT (assuming it has comparable performance to RTX 4080), for $750.

Aside from it being in stock... BUT if that's the case seems like a sacrifice that isn't worth it in the long run.

 

[Von Hugh]

Guess I don't understand why anybody would buy a 9070 XT (assuming it has comparable performance to RTX 4080), for $750.

Aside from it being in stock... BUT if that's the case seems like a sacrifice that isn't worth it in the long run.

4080 cards are not available any more, and 5070 Ti with comparable performance costs over 1000 eur in Europe. If 9070 XT is under 900 eur it starts making sense. There are plenty of people who don't care about DLSS or RTX shenanigans.

 

[Gen.Grievous]

4080 cards are not available any more, and 5070 Ti with comparable performance costs over 1000 eur in Europe. If 9070 XT is under 900 eur it starts making sense. There are plenty of people who don't care about DLSS or RTX shenanigans.

Yes. And I don't see how Nvidia will be able to outmanoeuvre AMD this time. 5070 will barely be an improvement over the 4070 Super and very likely will be higher priced. MSRPs can be ignored for the 50 series, they are pure fiction.

 

[FireFly]

Yes. And I don't see how Nvidia will be able to outmanoeuvre AMD this time. 5070 will barely be an improvement over the 4070 Super and very likely will be higher priced. MSRPs can be ignored for the 50 series, they are pure fiction.

There were still 5070 Ti cards selling at MSRP at launch. So really it just depends on supply as whether the price can be retained for the vanilla (non-OC) models.

 

[SolidQ]

Can you ball park it for me a bit?

That mean CU's are strong in RDNA4

 

[kiphalfton]

4080 cards are not available any more, and 5070 Ti with comparable performance costs over 1000 eur in Europe. If 9070 XT is under 900 eur it starts making sense. There are plenty of people who don't care about DLSS or RTX shenanigans.

I had thrown out the $750 figure, as that's what I saw up above as the rumored price for the 9070 XT, which incidentally is the same price as a base model RTX 5070 Ti.

So essentially I was inferring if anybody would actually pay the same price for a 9070 XT as a base model RTX 5070 Ti?

I referenced 9070 XT performance equating to the RTX 4080, as I believe there was a rumor the 9070 XT should be about on par with it, but seems like the 4080 is technically marginally slower than the RTX 5070 Ti in some benchmarks.

Assuming the 9070 XT is in stock, and the RTX 5070 Ti isn't, seems like a short term win (since something is better than nothing), but in the long term it would probably be a bad purchase decision.

But that's just my opinion. Like you said, for me to even consider the 9070 XT it would have to be ~20% less than the RTX 5070 Ti to make sense purchase wise. Even at launch, when there isn't any stock available for the RTX 5070 Ti. Probably wishful thinking, hoping the 9070 XT will be that much cheaper than the RTX 5070 Ti, but I also think AMD is making a huge mistake (like they have the past however many generations before this) pricing their stuff slightly less than the Nvidia equivalent.

Probably all a moot point, as scalpers will likely buy up all the stock and throw it up on eBay.

 

[dave_d]

I've had AMD boards before so I'd definitely consider it. That being said pretty much everyone has talked about this but whether or not to get it or the 5070ti really is just 3 questions

• How much?
• How fast?
• How many will be available?

If AMD manages to not screw up at least one they might have something.

 

[riko]

Here is hoping they release an XTX with 32GB. That might be what is needed to get more developers to support ROCm, because as is its always an after thought, and usually is a worse implementation than CUDA (features, performance)

 

[SolidQ]

 

[FingerBang]

Hardware Unboxed is making a very clear point:

AMD has the chance of a lifetime to take market/mindshare away from Nvidia, with a card that should outperform the green counterpart and could be priced much lower.

The question is whether AMD is actually interested in playing this game seriously or not. If not, they'll probably price it much closer to the 5000 series, maybe $50/70 cheaper than each one and calling it a day, hoping the lack of stock might help them move all of their initial cards and maybe lower the price when Nvidia is able to keep up with the demand. This has been their strategy and it's been a failure.

Their alternative is to lower their margins on each cards, ignore the state of the market and price the card so aggressively Nvidia will struggle to compete. 550 (or even 600 I'd argue) for 4080S performance would disrupt the market and make not only the 5070 and 5070ti look bad, but also the 5080. At this price difference, all the Nvidia advantages more or less disappear. Because RT and better upscaling is worth 15-20% more, not 35-40%.

This is a risky move with the AI market still hot, but I think it might really pay in both sales (lower margins but higher volume) and in securing a future in the GPU market. Ryzen started more or less like this: it wasn't THE BEST, but offered the best value by far

 

[SolidQ]

Nvidia will struggle to compete. 550 (or even 600 I'd argue) for 4080S performance

I think it's gonna be like 480(500)\600. Both faster than 5070 for 550(real msrp think going to 700+)

 

[Crayon]

That hub tweet gives me some hope. If amd is actually contacting them about the price, they are actively getting the same arguments we're making in here. Kinda adds some context.

 

[StereoVsn]

Hardware Unboxed is making a very clear point:

AMD has the chance of a lifetime to take market/mindshare away from Nvidia, with a card that should outperform the green counterpart and could be priced much lower.

The question is whether AMD is actually interested in playing this game seriously or not. If not, they'll probably price it much closer to the 5000 series, maybe $50/70 cheaper than each one and calling it a day, hoping the lack of stock might help them move all of their initial cards and maybe lower the price when Nvidia is able to keep up with the demand. This has been their strategy and it's been a failure.

Their alternative is to lower their margins on each cards, ignore the state of the market and price the card so aggressively Nvidia will struggle to compete. 550 (or even 600 I'd argue) for 4080S performance would disrupt the market and make not only the 5070 and 5070ti look bad, but also the 5080. At this price difference, all the Nvidia advantages more or less disappear. Because RT and better upscaling is worth 15-20% more, not 35-40%.

This is a risky move with the AI market still hot, but I think it might really pay in both sales (lower margins but higher volume) and in securing a future in the GPU market. Ryzen started more or less like this: it wasn't THE BEST, but offered the best value by far

Yep, price the card for even $600 for vanilla and $650ish for AIB, make it actually available and they have once in a decade chance to grab market share. A lot of people are tired of Nvidia’s shenanigans.

Edit: So €730 to €800 with VAT.

 

[Radical_3d]

So €730 to €800 with VAT.

It’s depressing that nowadays this is competitive with team green. I think that my 1060 6GB costed like 300€.

 

[winjer]

It’s depressing that nowadays this is competitive with team green. I think that my 1060 6GB costed like 300€.

This is the price that consumers pay, when there is no competition between companies.
Both Nvidia and TSMC have no proper competition, so they jacked up prices as much as their greed desired.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

This is the price that consumers pay, when there is no competition between companies.
Both Nvidia and TSMC have no proper competition, so they jacked up prices as much as their greed desired.

Are we pretending the price of everything else didn't double in the same time frame too?

Have you looked at the price of everything else lately before making your pronouncement about greed and capitalism?

 

[CrustyBritches]

Yep, price the card for even $600 for vanilla and $650ish for AIB, make it actually available and they have once in a decade chance to grab market…

This is what I’m hoping for. $500 9070, $550 premium AIB 9070. Then $600 9070 XT, $650 premium AIB.

P.S.- iirc there isn’t a AMD reference being sold, it’s all custom AIB.

 

[64gigabyteram]

That hub tweet gives me some hope. If amd is actually contacting them about the price, they are actively getting the same arguments we're making in here. Kinda adds some context.

I still doubt they'll take the opportunity as previous gens have shown us, but either way it's a win/win for me

situation 1: the cards are overpriced at launch (650/700 xt, 550/600 base) they don't sell, months later they're on shelves and you can get an XT for 450 dollars. Seems the more likely situation not just because we're talking about Advanced Missing Devices here but also because of the tariffs which are gonna make it harder for them to even want to try disrupting anything.

situation 2: the cards are actually disruptive and are priced wildly (500/550 xt, 400/450 base) AMD gets big sales, people love the GPUs, its the RX 580 all over again GG amd you won em this time. A pipe dream.

Either way, whether it's a couple months later or at launch you'll have cheaper GPUs with (hopefully) decent raytracing and upscaling. They'll be a much needed shot in the arm for the GPU market, it's ultimately the question of if AMD is smart enough to actually capitalize or let resellers and low demand do its job for them.

 

[winjer]

Are we pretending the price of everything else didn't double in the same time frame too?

Have you looked at the price of everything else lately before making your pronouncement about greed and capitalism?

No. Most things didn't double price.
Inflation was high in recent years. But not an increase of more than double the price.

 

[64gigabyteram]

P.S.- iirc there isn’t a AMD reference being sold, it’s all custom AIB.

We're so cooked. I hate AIBs.

 

[SolidQ]

I hate AIBs.

There still PowerColor Reaper/Sapphire Pulse

 

[StereoVsn]

There still PowerColor Reaper/Sapphire Pulse

Yeah, there are several decent brands. And AMD reference cards had some issues with the 7900 series.