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[cinnamonandgravy]

I've heard [BMWs] can go decently well if you maintain them well enough

BMWs tend to be sportier than the avg car, and sportier stuff tends to wear faster and cost more.
for example, the old NSX is a honda, but the required maintenance isnt like a civic.

my ~30yr old bmw (130k miles) has original paint, engine, tranny, etc.

i also have ~40 old mercedes that's the exact opposite of sporty (slowest mofo in the world), but i will die long before it does. ~350k miles, original engine, tranny, etc.

 

[Fess]

I am a lifelong console owner and I want to switch. Consoles do not have the appeal they once did. With all the pay services, micro transactions and just bland games I can pass. I am holding onto my PS5 just for GRand theft auto 6. I don't see a bunch of great games coming to consoles.

I’m not saying that it’s wrong doing the swap, I’ve done it too except for some very rare Sony exclusives.
But going for a cheap PC is a gamble. There is a real risk that you end up with a much louder box with little to no visual upgrade from consoles. Wait some more and aim for a higher budget and it’ll feel like you’re on an Ultra Pro console at all times.

 

[balls of snow]

I use a 3060 laptop and it runs games at 4K/60 using DLSS. Unfortunately, the 6GB VRAM will make it obsolete, but otherwise it is good enough.

Same laptop but I never run at 4k. Even 1440p is kinda shaky with current gen engines, but 1080p /60 is fine.

 

[Gamer79]

My Final Build and should easily exceed PS5 pro in performance and will last me 5+ years. I am not too concerned with an upgrade path because looking at what your average PC gamer games on this far exceeds the average just shy from the elite. Around $1,000 with the only used part being the GPU:

Case: https://www.amazon.com/Okinos-Micro-Pre-Installed-Panoramic-Tempered/dp/B0CQ8FT1JL ($60)
Mobo: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BSP61QZC/?psc=1 ($140)
CPU: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BCF5CZ16?psc=1 (on sale for $175)
CPU Cooler: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CJBZXVGY/?psc=1 ($24)
RAM: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09LHPZK4P/ ($90)
GPU: MSI 3x ventus OC 4070 (used in like new condition) ($470 total when calculating shipping and taxes)
Nvme: 2 tb nvme drive (middle speed ) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C3B4BFQ3 ($98)
Nvme: 2nd drive: Free I am throwing in an older adata legend 1.3 nvme in the 2nd slot (free)
Power: (This company has been around for years) https://www.amazon.com/Segotep-Modular-Gaming-Supply-Certified/dp/B08W47MX46 ($80)
Total: About $1100

That CPU still smokes today and I plan on using it outside of gaming. Also that 4070 has 29 teraflops. I highly doubt the PS6 will come out with that kind of power. Also DLSS keeps evolving and will give this card many years of life. Thx for all suggestions and you did help me modify my build. I know some of you said am 5 for an upgrade path but I see no reason to upgrade this rig for 5 years or more.

 

[Neff]

Master race is a myth

Whenever I play a PC guy on Tekken 8 they're using wifi while running off a HDD

 

[Senua]

I've heard they can go decently well if you maintain them well enough- besides, not everyone buys a car for reliability. Types of people getting a sportscar probably already have a workhorse toyota they use for regular work

people like to hinge a car's worth on reliability like that's all there is to a good car

BMWs tend to be sportier than the avg car, and sportier stuff tends to wear faster and cost more.
for example, the old NSX is a honda, but the required maintenance isnt like a civic.

my ~30yr old bmw (130k miles) has original paint, engine, tranny, etc.

i also have ~40 old mercedes that's the exact opposite of sporty (slowest mofo in the world), but i will die long before it does. ~350k miles, original engine, tranny, etc.

 

[damiank]

The low end console gamer has a PS4/Xbox One
The mid range console gamer has a PS5/Series X
The high end console gamer has a PS5 Pro

Half of Sonys players are playing on PS4 and lower..
Most PC gamers have PCs better than a PS4 now.

PCMR continues

Now that's an achievement. Overcoming 10y old hardware.

 

[wafflecioccy]

My Final Build and should easily exceed PS5 pro in performance and will last me 5+ years.

That CPU still smokes today and I plan on using it outside of gaming. Also that 4070 has 29 teraflops. I highly doubt the PS6 will come out with that kind of power.

If we calculate by that same silly way of measuring, the PS5 Pro has (or at least was rumoured) 33.5 TFLOPs. Ada Lovelace tflops are not really real flops. It's dual issue fp32 math which is useless for games.

By that same measurement, OC RTX 4080 has 58 TFLOPs. It is not 5x+ faster than the PS5

 

[Clear]

PCMR be like; gets a chub on for a $2k GPU then on seeing a $700 console "INCONCEIVABLE !!"

You know its true!

 

[coolmast3r]

I'm afraid you just wholly misunderstood the substance behind the "pc master race" meme, cause it's not about the most powerful hardware available (though it is a part of it) but more about the sheer flexibility of PC as a platform. The freedom to tailor gaming experience to your personal preferences is key, and compared to what you get when you buy into a console ecosystem it's pretty much night and day difference.

 

[Bojji]

If we calculate by that same silly way of measuring, the PS5 Pro has (or at least was rumoured) 33.5 TFLOPs. Ada Lovelace tflops are not really real flops. It's dual issue fp32 math which is useless for games.

By that same measurement, OC RTX 4080 has 58 TFLOPs. It is not 5x+ faster than the PS5

It's ~3x

TF currently are not the best way to measure performance of GPUs.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Reading all the shit here, I got myself thinking I need to upgrade my rig with a 3080, 12700k, 32GB ram and two 1TB Nvme drives.

I play every single game I want to play at 1440p with high settings and have absolutely no issues. I'll upgrade when my PC struggles which won't be for a few years and by then I'll just get a new build.

 

[Gamer79]

If we calculate by that same silly way of measuring, the PS5 Pro has (or at least was rumoured) 33.5 TFLOPs. Ada Lovelace tflops are not really real flops. It's dual issue fp32 math which is useless for games.

By that same measurement, OC RTX 4080 has 58 TFLOPs. It is not 5x+ faster than the PS5

Your also forgettting that the PS5 is an APU with a much weaker CPU. I have a PS5 and not knocking it. To say a PS5 is near a gaming Rig with even a 4060 is kinda silly.

 

[HogIsland]

Reading all the shit here, I got myself thinking I need to upgrade my rig with a 3080, 12700k, 32GB ram and two 1TB Nvme drives.

I play every single game I want to play at 1440p with high settings and have absolutely no issues. I'll upgrade when my PC struggles which won't be for a few years and by then I'll just get a new build.

it's such an obnoxious line, and it tends to come from people who are clinging to an antiquated idea of console gaming where you put in a cartridge and play a game with no bugs and no loading. how are these the people saying pc only has value if you run a GPU intended for Pixar artists?

there are so many advantages to pc gaming. bleeding edge performance isn't in my top 3.

 

[Wolzard]

Yeah tbh I don’t understand who would be satisfied with a cheap $700 PC like Digital Foundry can go on about. Would likely mean a loud box and low settings on everything. What’s the upside at that point? Steam sales? mods? free online? It’s not enough imo. I’d say it’s better to wait another year and save up more cash and build something fairly highend, that’s when the real upsides of PC gaming can be felt.

Now, I don't understand that you spend a lot of money to buy a console, a machine that is only used to play games and has several limitations on how you should use your machine.

It may be a question that varies from person to person, I don't see myself buying a console, every time I bought it, I sold it shortly afterwards.

I prefer a weak PC to a console. The secret is to know the limits, if I have X performance, I'm not going to force a game that demands more from the machine, I'm going to go with what it can do. There is also an advantage in being able to play old games with maximum graphics, paying little for a machine.

I don't live on hype, so I don't play the game of the moment, I play what I want to play and with 40 years of video game history, there's no shortage of options. Instead of spending a lot of money on video games, I buy things for my home, buy books or make investments for my retirement.

 

[wafflecioccy]

Your also forgettting that the PS5 is an APU with a much weaker CPU. I have a PS5 and not knocking it. To say a PS5 is near a gaming Rig with even a 4060 is kinda silly.

I didn't forget any such thing lol

 

[Gamer79]

I didn't forget any such thing lol

 

[Gp1]

Imho PC master race is way more about the freedom/"open garden" system than the hardware. Buy a somewhat comparable with the current gen hardware and besides the contemporary games and you have access to:

One store is abusing its prices, buy on innumerous others, free games from stores etc

Heavy Modding in a bunch of titles (playing a WRPG on PC is a completely different experience) + passion projects like Stalker Anomaly/Gamma, PES SP Football Life, Enderal, CK3/ Mount and blade Crossover, etc.

Emulation up to Ps3/X360, Switch level

Perpetual compatibility with old titles/infinite backward compatibility + modding bring these games to a remaster/remake level.

And the list goes on and on...

 

[Fess]

Now, I don't understand that you spend a lot of money to buy a console, a machine that is only used to play games and has several limitations on how you should use your machine.

It may be a question that varies from person to person, I don't see myself buying a console, every time I bought it, I sold it shortly afterwards.

I prefer a weak PC to a console. The secret is to know the limits, if I have X performance, I'm not going to force a game that demands more from the machine, I'm going to go with what it can do. There is also an advantage in being able to play old games with maximum graphics, paying little for a machine.

I don't live on hype, so I don't play the game of the moment, I play what I want to play and with 40 years of video game history, there's no shortage of options. Instead of spending a lot of money on video games, I buy things for my home, buy books or make investments for my retirement.

Fair take, and I’m 99% PC gamer today so I know the upsides with old games and having choices etc. It’s just that lowend PC gaming isn’t for me, don’t like going with lower settings, I just feel like I miss out on stuff, and it’s too much work to get things running well, and having a noisy box if I cheap out on cooling is no fun.

That said, this is coming from an enthusiast gamer perspective and if one would add up the costs for enthusiast console gaming it would be expensive as well.

PS5
Extra SSD
PS5 Pro
Discdrive
X years of PS+

Xbox Series X
Extended Storage Card
X years of Xbox Gamepass Ultimate

That’s enthusiast console gaming if you don’t want to miss out on things.

What’s the total cost there? Has anyone dared to add it all up? Would be interesting to have the total cost for a generation as an enthusiast console gamer.

 

[KungFucius]

i often see, pc user in near me, told me that their pc is superior because it's price.
after strolling in this forum a bit, I think expensive is not always better.
because, if the pc is not build in a good way, it could led to bottleneck(?) and some games in console graphic are not too far either for me.
I dont hate pc user, since i'm also PC user, and have PS5, Switch, Steam deck, and Rog Ally as well (though my PC mainly for work, and not the beef like You guys).
I really don't like the way people who buys expensive PC and looking down to anything else.

well, each to their own, but they are, annoying, and usually doesn't have any knowledge to the game itself... and only be able to buy something expensive to raw power

This is nuts. Even if there is a "bottle neck", if everything is fast you still have a good system. More money very closely tracks to performance.

That said, a system built on a budget where someone deliberately chooses to get a 5070 Ti instead of a 5090 and pair that with an 8 core CPU instead of a 1k CPU and plays most games fine at 4k with DLSS when they could afford to blow 2k more but exercise restraint is a pretty smart thing. Not saying I am that person, but I would like to be.

 

[Topher]

That's one game though. DF did a comparison of PS5 vs 4070 Super earlier this year and while the Super was obviously faster across the board, the result varied from game to game. This is far from unusual and is why GPU benchmark videos usually compare a dozen games or so and look at the average variance.

Imho PC master race is way more about the freedom/"open garden" system than the hardware. Buy a somewhat comparable with the current gen hardware and besides the contemporary games and you have access to:

One store is abusing its prices, buy on innumerous others, free games from stores etc

Heavy Modding in a bunch of titles (playing a WRPG on PC is a completely different experience) + passion projects like Stalker Anomaly/Gamma, PES SP Football Life, Enderal, CK3/ Mount and blade Crossover, etc.

Emulation up to Ps3/X360, Switch level

Perpetual compatibility with old titles/infinite backward compatibility + modding bring these games to a remaster/remake level.

And the list goes on and on...

Agree. The value in PC gaming, to me, is really about freedom to do whatever I want with my system. I can do all the things you've mentioned as well as install an entirely different OS. The ability to customize the graphical experience based on my hardware choices is definitely an advantage but not my primary reason for gaming on PC.