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[Bumblebeetuna]

It's certainly not going to be from sales.

MachineGames might even get shutdown if their next game flops.

They'll already be lucky if it doesn't happen if Indy doesn't perform too well on PS5.

Cool story, bro

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Cool story, bro

Reality is difficult to deal with, huh?
That's what happens when you deny facts for too long.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Reality is difficult to deal with, huh?
That's what happens when you deny facts for too long.

Reality and facts, sure thing man

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Reality and facts, sure thing man

Care to point out which of the following was wrong?

Which nonsense?

Indy flopping?
Avowed flopping?
Hellblade not being the GOTG?
Xbox going 3rd party?
SoT not being a hit on PS5?

I'm losing track.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Care to point out which of the following was wrong?

Don't worry, he won't.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Care to point out which of the following was wrong?

The only thing right on that list is Hellblade 2 not being “GOTG” and damn that was quite the limb you went out on there. I mean, GAF was ablaze with talk of how it would win “GOTG”. You’re an adult?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

The only thing right on that list is Hellblade 2 not being “GOTG” and damn that was quite the limb you went out on there. I mean, GAF was ablaze with talk of how it would win “GOTG”. You’re an adult?

So you're saying even Xbox going 3rd party is false?

That's some denial, alright.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

So you're saying even Xbox going 3rd party is false?

That's some denial, alright.

They’ve put their games on other consoles for years. I don’t consider them going third party unless they aren’t putting their games on their own console anymore. You’re welcome to disagree, you’re used to having bad opinions.

 

[Mattyp]

Care to point out which of the following was wrong?

How are Indy or Avowed flops, they’re designed to keep gamepass subscriptions active with new content. They are not designed foremost to sell physical copies.

If SoT wasn’t a hit either was Astro if we’re going off sales.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Indiana Jones literally charted 14th behind Spider-Man 2 in it's debut month (Spider-Man 2 was more than a year old at this point) and was off the chart the following month, but it's not a flop?

You can't be serious.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

How are Indy or Avowed flops, they’re designed to keep gamepass subscriptions active with new content. They are not designed foremost to sell physical copies.

If SoT wasn’t a hit either was Astro if we’re going off sales.

Avowed has been out for 3 days

Facts and reality, he says. You can’t reason with GameFAQS rejects. Done participating in his circus

edit, also I love your title

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I don’t consider them going third party

I know, that's the denial part.

Even Phil Spencer gave up.

How are Indy or Avowed flops, they’re designed to keep gamepass subscriptions active with new content. They are not designed foremost to sell physical copies.

That's easy to say since they aren't selling copies.

That didn't go for Tango? Or is the bar really that low?

If SoT wasn’t a hit either was Astro if we’re going off sales.

Sure, I've always stated that Astro Bot was a glorified tech-demo that only sold decently.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

How are Indy or Avowed flops, they’re designed to keep gamepass subscriptions active with new content. They are not designed foremost to sell physical copies.

If SoT wasn’t a hit either was Astro if we’re going off sales.

Astro Bot (September 2024) was the 13th best selling PS5 game in North America and launched after Sea of Thieves by a considerable margin (April 2024)...

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Took 4 months to get 1M sales.
That's not a success.

Former Xbox Exclusive Is Reportedly Selling Great on PS5

A newly emerged report suggests that at least one former Xbox console exclusive has been enjoying excellent sales on the PlayStation 5.

gamerant.com

That’s like $30M in revenue for a port, after a few months…pretty good I’d say

It has continued to sell

 

[Mibu no ookami]

That’s like $30M in revenue for a port, after a few months…pretty good I’d say

It has continued to sell

You could say it is semantics, but I'd say there's a pretty big difference between being successful and being "a hit".

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

You could say it is semantics, but I'd say there's a pretty big difference between being successful and being "a hit".

1M in sales may not seem like a “hit”, but this is a game that has annual content drops … it will continue selling as a GaaS title

It could be over 2M by now for all we know

That money is approaching AAA dev cost territory on a late port

 

[Killjoy-NL]

1M in sales may not seem like a “hit”, but this is a game that has annual content drops … it will continue selling as a GaaS title

It could be over 2M by now for all we know

That money is approaching AAA dev cost territory on a late port

Given how people were hyping up SoT, how it's the one of the most successful and most active Xbox IPs, and given the size of the PS installbase, it's a joke.

I don't doubt it might be profitable, but it's really nothing to write home about.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Given how people were hyping up SoT, how it's the one of the most successful and most active Xbox IPs, and given the size of the PS installbase, it's a joke.

I don't doubt it might be profitable, but it's really nothing to write home about.

People were hyped for a 6 year old port?

It’s free money…and a decent amount of it

 

[Killjoy-NL]

People were hyped for a 6 year old port?

It’s free money…and a decent amount of it

Talking about the Xbox fans prepping the PS5 release.
I'm arguing that the PS installbase barely gives a shit about Xbox IPs.

But yh, money is money.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

1M in sales may not seem like a “hit”, but this is a game that has annual content drops … it will continue selling as a GaaS title

It could be over 2M by now for all we know

That money is approaching AAA dev cost territory on a late port

Do you define that as a "hit"?

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Talking about the Xbox fans prepping the PS5 release.
I'm arguing that the PS installbase barely gives a shit about Xbox IPs.

But yh, money is money.

It's like the people saying Forza Horizon 5 will become the best selling racing game on PS5... That would make it a hit. I don't think selling 1-2 million copies would make it a hit.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

It's like the people saying Forza Horizon 5 will become the best selling racing game on PS5... That would make it a hit. I don't think selling 1-2 million copies would make it a hit.

It will need to sell better than gt7( which is most likely the current best selling racing game on ps5). Gt7 has sold approximately 10 million units, half if not more than that is on ps5. I doubt horizon 5 can eclipse that even though arcade open world racing game are more popular than circuit sims.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

It will need to sell better than gt7( which is most likely the current best selling racing game on ps5). Gt7 has sold approximately 10 million units, half if not more than that is on ps5. I doubt horizon 5 can eclipse that even though arcade open world racing game are more popular than circuit sims.

Maybe if it had launched on PS5, but it really can't make up that time. People have already purchased a lot of other racing games. Will they add another to the list? Maybe... we'll see. I expect it'll supplant the Crew Motorfest, but even that will be a big question.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Maybe if it had launched on PS5, but it really can't make up that time. People have already purchased a lot of other racing games. Will they add another to the list? Maybe... we'll see. I expect it'll supplant the Crew Motorfest, but even that will be a big question.

It will have a lot of hype especially since its first of the big three tentpole Xbox franchise coming to ps, plus word of mouth has been good outside of racing communities. So expect it to sell well. Just not as well as gt 7. I am expecting 3-4 million units lifetime on ps5.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

It's like the people saying Forza Horizon 5 will become the best selling racing game on PS5... That would make it a hit. I don't think selling 1-2 million copies would make it a hit.

1-2M sales is what you expect from an average lower-priced AA game.

 

[zedinen]

GaaSlighting



January NPD 2018

Sony 0

January 2025

Sony 3

 

[Mibu no ookami]

GaaSlighting



January NPD 2018

Sony 0

January 2025

Sony 3

Horizon was a big release for Sony but it released in February 2017 not enough for it to chart the following January. 2017 was a relatively weak year for Sony and much weaker than say 2024 was.

 

[onQ123]

GaaSlighting



January NPD 2018

Sony 0

January 2025

Sony 3

It's almost like the cement hasn't dried

 

[Woopah]

IP is so important and so many companies give up on IP way too quickly.

Syphon Filter always lived in the shadow of Metal Gear Solid and Splinter Cell, but with Kojima being fired at Konami and Splinter Cell being relegated to the dustbins a revival actually makes a ton of sense of Bend Studios more so than whatever GaaS game they were making that got canceled. A high budget nextgen stealth/spy action AAA Syphon Filter with good gameplay would sell gangbusters right now.

Resident Evil is way more successful now than it ever was initially. And that's evidence that you can bring games back to become even more popular. The same was true of Tomb Raider until they exclusivity deal killed that franchise.

Red Dead Revolver became Red Dead Redemption/Online... think about that...Capcom must be happy with Monster Hunter and RE, but they must be kicking themselves on this one, but that's in hindsight. Red Dead Revolver was nothing special. Rockstar took their open world formula and mixed it with Red Dead.

Doom and Prince of Persia also had massive comebacks.

Top Gun Maverick did 1.5 billion at the global box office. The original movie while no slouch, only did 357 million.

Studios should be constantly doing portfolio reviews and take a look at old franchises and identify what they would look like in a modern setting. Super Mario Kart and Mario Kart 64 both sold less than 10 million units. On the Wii it hit almost 40 million and on Switch 63 million...

I think you should always try to bring franchises back at least once.

There's no snowboarding game on the market right now. Are you telling me there is ZERO potential for Coolboarders or SSX? I think Tony Hawk 1+2 remake sold really well, but just not well enough to please Activision. Good enough for 20th best selling game in North America in 2020. Not bad for a remake. Number 17 in the same year was DBZ Kakarot... and now look at DBZ Sparking Zero... you have to keep up with these franchises...

Look at College Football 25 becoming the best selling sports game in US history... after the franchise was shuttered because it didn't make sense alongside Madden... Yes, having actual licensing for the players helps a lot, but it was a game long overdue.

It's stunning that T2 didn't immediately announce College Basketball 2K26.

The other example that always stands out to me Animal Crossing. The first one never left Japan and the second wasn't even supposed to come to Europe.

What was the last really successful campaign focused FPS?

I would imagine it's Doom Eternal.

Took 4 months to get 1M sales.
That's not a success.

Former Xbox Exclusive Is Reportedly Selling Great on PS5

A newly emerged report suggests that at least one former Xbox console exclusive has been enjoying excellent sales on the PlayStation 5.

gamerant.com

It's a years old port that sold a million copies on a single platform in 4 months. Of course that's a success

 

[Killjoy-NL]

It's a years old port that sold a million copies on a single platform in 4 months. Of course that's a success

It's a new game to PS installbase though.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

It's almost like the cement hasn't dried

Ghost of Yotei, Death Stranding 2 and maybe Wolverine all have a great chance to change my stance on said concrete

 

[Woopah]

It's a new game to PS installbase though.

Yes but games generally sell worse when they are late ports than when they are new.

For example, Doom: The Dark Ages will sell a lot better on PS5 by being there from Day 1, than if it didn't come to PS5 until 2031.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Yes but games generally sell worse when they are late ports than when they are new.

For example, Doom: The Dark Ages will sell a lot better on PS5 by being there from Day 1, than if it didn't come to PS5 until 2031.

Diffence being that Doom is a singleplayer niche fps and SoT is a multiplayer gaas title, one of the mpst active and popular on Xbox, going by Xbox fans.

 

[Woopah]

Diffence being that Doom is a singleplayer niche fps and SoT is a multiplayer gaas title, one of the mpst active and popular on Xbox, going by Xbox fans.

It was still a 6 year old game by the time it came to PS.

To be that old and have the port sell over million copies is a good result.

 

[mayham2199]

If MachineGames made another Wolfenstein, you expect it to do much better than Indy?

Financially it will no matter what because it won’t have the licensing fee attached to it.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Financially it will no matter what because it won’t have the licensing fee attached to it.

Doesn't even matter much, as Xbox can't afford failure after failure if it wants to stay relevant.

 

[Mattyp]

Doesn't even matter much, as Xbox can't afford failure after failure if it wants to stay relevant.

You keep saying failures while 5 million+ players play these games on gamepass across PC & xbox, that’s not a failure.

Stop trying to tie physical copies sold to a game being a failure or not already when 9/10 of the copies are gamepass players.

They’re second only to Sony in revenue xbox will be completely fine with the 3 quarters of a billion dollars coming in each month from gamepass funding the service.

Stop worrying about the financials about a company you repeatedly have no interest in while having zero interest in playing the games they produce the rest of us are here enjoying them.

 

[demigod]

You keep saying failures while 5 million+ players play these games on gamepass across PC & xbox, that’s not a failure.

Stop trying to tie physical copies sold to a game being a failure or not already when 9/10 of the copies are gamepass players.

They’re second only to Sony in revenue xbox will be completely fine with the 3 quarters of a billion dollars coming in each month from gamepass funding the service.

Stop worrying about the financials about a company you repeatedly have no interest in while having zero interest in playing the games they produce the rest of us are here enjoying them.

How did the 25+mil subscribers work out for Hi-Fi Rush and Tango? Now we most likely won’t see The Evil Within 3, so fuck off with your corporate bootlicking.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

You keep saying failures while 5 million+ players play these games on gamepass across PC & xbox, that’s not a failure.

Stop trying to tie physical copies sold to a game being a failure or not already when 9/10 of the copies are gamepass players.

They’re second only to Sony in revenue xbox will be completely fine with the 3 quarters of a billion dollars coming in each month from gamepass funding the service.

If this were true, Xbox wouldn't be putting their games on Playstation and Nintendo.

Stop worrying about the financials about a company you repeatedly have no interest in while having zero interest in playing the games they produce the rest of us are here enjoying them.

Sorry, Xbox has started offering me their games directly, I just don't have interest in their current offerings.
Although, I did buy Blops 6.

 

[Mattyp]

How did the 25+mil subscribers work out for Hi-Fi Rush and Tango? Now we most likely won’t see The Evil Within 3, so fuck off with your corporate bootlicking.

Tango was destined to be scrapped before that game came out ask corporate, HiFi rush sales had nothing to do with it but.

If this were true, Xbox wouldn't be putting their games on Playstation and Nintendo.

They’re putting their games on every system to become number 1 in revenue, Microsoft exist foremost to make money. Do you think they give a shit if an xbox fanboy cares about a game being sold on another platform or do they want another 100m potential buyers instead?

Why do you think Sony puts their games on PC now? Revenue. These companies both of them exist to make the most money possible, Microsoft being the largest publisher on the planet would be stupid to not put their games on every system if you check my posts I’ve been asking them to do Halo & Forza for ages so we can inject another 10m players.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

They’re putting their games on every system to become number 1 in revenue, Microsoft exist foremost to make money. Do you think they give a shit if an xbox fanboy cares about a game being sold on another platform or do they want another 100m potential buyers instead?

Why do you think Sony puts their games on PC now? Revenue. These companies both of them exist to make the most money possible, Microsoft being the largest publisher on the planet would be stupid to not put their games on every system if you check my posts I’ve been asking them to do Halo & Forza for ages so we can inject another 10m players.

Why didn't they do it from the start then?

 

[Ashamam]

You keep saying failures while 5 million+ players play these games on gamepass across PC & xbox, that’s not a failure.

When you lower the bar to entry as far as GP does its hard to draw too many conclusions as to the 'critical' success of a title based on GP install base (if we knew what this is), or even downloads (also if we actually knew them). With real sales people generally speaking will give some thought to whether they are willing to pay to play. Not to mention you can draw a straight line from sales to financial success. Who knows how MS distributes revenue vs development cost to GP, if they even do attribute 1st party costs. Not attributing them would go a long way to explaining the financial success of GP historically.

Average hours played relative to game length (showing distribution) would be the only decent measure imho, and you will only ever hear that from MS if it's overly positive, if ever. One of my biggest gripes with MS is their near total lack of transparency despite being a public company. Eg: D4 is in my mind a huge success. Avowed looks like a failure to me. Both in revenue and in mind share.

 

[John Wick]

Astro Bot still hanging on its fifth month

Astro Bot will have legs. This isn't a front loaded game.

 

[Mattyp]

Why didn't they do it from the start then?

They should have? I want them to publish their games on Sony & Nintendo systems.

The same way they publish all their other software on iOS, Mac, Linux, Android……. They’ve always been of third party mindset even controlling windows the largest market player.

The writings on the wall already for another decade or two when streaming will be near non negligible difference to dedicated hardware and they realise this is the end game.

Sony users are already accustomed to this mindset of digital and not owning shit already and the same as gamepass and xbox these companies are pushing this for a reason, the disc drive will be fully optional next gen in shortages with one SKU on launch with none coming standard. So in another decade when I can’t tell the difference between syncing my controller to the TV or playing on a big box in the living room what’s the space for home consoles at all anymore?

The tech isn’t there.. yet. But the same way as DVD & CDs there won’t be a point to having a system in your home in our lifetime.

 

[mckmas8808]

Astro Bot still hanging on its fifth month

So, 5 months in and Astro Bot is still being purchased by PS gamers. Nice!

I play it all the time and nothing compares to it when it comes to the gun play and needing a quick fix of shooting others

But I also know just because its a top seller doesnt make it the greatest game ever as some like to use sales data to equate as the greatest ever

I think people were just stating that it's hard to call something "The Worst PlayStation generation ever" while that same generation PS is breaking records. Especially when we are only half way through it.

The comparison is somewhat skewed because Jan 2024 was 5 weeks of tracking versus Jan 2025 with 4 weeks of tracking.

It'll be best for us to talk about the January 2025 as a per week sales basis and not just the whole month.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I think people were just stating that it's hard to call something "The Worst PlayStation generation ever" while that same generation PS is breaking records. Especially when we are only half way through it.

For me its quite easy to call it that because I don't care for the Sony first party games they have been giving us

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

If this were true, Xbox wouldn't be putting their games on Playstation and Nintendo.

Sorry, Xbox has started offering me their games directly, I just don't have interest in their current offerings.
Although, I did buy Blops 6.

You should try out age of empires 2 and age of mythology retold. Both are among the best rts games ever released. They look amazing, have great art style and run almost buuter smooth. Really great games. Also FH5 is a good arcade racing gaming especially if you haven't played fh3 or fh 4, so if you are into racing games or cars in general, would recommend that as well.

 

[Ebrietas]

Why didn't they do it from the start then?

This is just the type of 11th dimensional chess MS has been playing since they entered the business. It was all part of the plan.

Sony, Nintendo, Apple, and Valve WISH they could swap their shitty platforms for the Xbox.

 

[mckmas8808]

GaaSlighting



January NPD 2018

Sony 0

January 2025

Sony 3

So the question is.......how many estimated PS4s sold in January 2018?

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

So the question is.......how many estimated PS4s sold in January 2018?

From the Circana thread on the purple forum:

**January 2018**

PS4: 254,000
XBO: 235,000

**January 2018 adjusted for four weeks**

PS4: 203,200
XBO: 188,000

Welfare estimates for this month:

PS5: ~245K
NSW: ~130K
XBS: ~127K