Thank you, that is the best explanation I’ve read on the matter.
Primitive and mesh shaders are very similar with mesh shaders being programmatically more flexible. PS5 Pro is now indeed on mesh shaders but there should be no performance differences between the two.
As far as know PS5 code improved quite a bit but i wouldn't be that surprised if XSX still performs a little better on this. Remedy is a PC centric developer at the core which higher familiarity with directx than GNM/X apparently, this should naturally favor XSX. We have other examples like Avatar which uses mesh shaders on both (as per developer's statement) and performs better on PS5. As always, depends on the specific engine/game.
A few people have concluded that the PS5 Pro only has a 30% boost, but they are wrong.
The 250 watt PS5 Pro (suitable for TV) has many limitations when it comes to benchmarking the GPU: 60fps or 120fps cap, CPU bound, memory bandwidth and V-Sync.
Remedy's Pro patch is a failure and developers should have improved the resolution and framerate.
Let's wait for better updates for other games in the future.
Because of the PC versions.
Just because its AW2 is less popular than Cyberpunk doesnt mean its not better looking. Cyberpunk might have better use of effects, but AW2 still beats it in all other aspects of visual presentation (obviously open world games will end up less consistent).
That XSX runs aw2 better than the Pro goes against all logic and would point to the code being better optimized on SX rather than it being hw related unless there is avx or something the xsx simply does better."Let's wait for better updates"
But almost all the images in your collage are non Pro patched games that just run faster due to the faster GPU. without incurring any of the PSSR overhead.
AW2 runs better on SX even if we compare today's PS5/Pro version with DF's coverage of the game last year, without even factoring in all the updates the SX version also got.
The regular PS5 also runs it better than the Pro. The Pro looks better though.
?? several of your comparisons show performance delta in the 35% range.A few people have concluded that the PS5 Pro only has a 30% boost, but they are wrong.
The 250 watt PS5 Pro (suitable for TV) has many limitations when it comes to benchmarking the GPU: 60fps or 120fps cap, CPU bound, memory bandwidth and V-Sync.
Remedy's Pro patch is a failure and developers should have improved the resolution and framerate.
Let's wait for better updates for other games in the future.
it does not. the pro is using quality mode settings. the xsx is still using performance mode settings which reduce the gpu load and result in better performance.
Ugh!"Let's wait for better updates"
But almost all the images in your collage are non Pro patched games that just run faster due to the faster GPU. without incurring any of the PSSR overhead.
AW2 runs better on SX even if we compare today's PS5/Pro version with DF's coverage of the game last year, without even factoring in all the updates the SX version also got.
The Pro is not running the performance the same as the base console because its setting are closer to the quality modes on the PS5 and XSX, the Pro is "slower" because it's a relatively heavier game. Without context the comparison makes Remedy seem like Lazy devs or the PS5 Pro is under delivering.
Ugh!
Sure,but if the settings aren't the same or the game is doing more relatively to other machines then what do you expect?
The 60fps mode barely matches the PS5 base quality mode and also runs at a lower resolution and looks worse.
It is clear that Remedy had little effort putting this Pro version together."Let's wait for better updates"
But almost all the images in your collage are non Pro patched games that just run faster due to the faster GPU. without incurring any of the PSSR overhead.
AW2 runs better on SX even if we compare today's PS5/Pro version with DF's coverage of the game last year, without even factoring in all the updates the SX version also got.
Performance mode on ps5 and performance mode on pro are different modes."Let's wait for better updates"
But almost all the images in your collage are non Pro patched games that just run faster due to the faster GPU. without incurring any of the PSSR overhead.
AW2 runs better on SX even if we compare today's PS5/Pro version with DF's coverage of the game last year, without even factoring in all the updates the SX version also got.
Comparing PS4/Cross gen games to AW2 is going to lead to disappointment. Next gen only games are probably going to fall in that 30% range more often.A few people have concluded that the PS5 Pro only has a 30% boost, but they are wrong.
The 250 watt PS5 Pro (suitable for TV) has many limitations when it comes to benchmarking the GPU: 60fps or 120fps cap, CPU bound, memory bandwidth and V-Sync.
Remedy's Pro patch is a failure and developers should have improved the resolution and framerate.
Let's wait for better updates for other games in the future.
PS5 & XSX: 847p (1440p / FSR2) , low~mid setting"Let's wait for better updates"
But almost all the images in your collage are non Pro patched games that just run faster due to the faster GPU. without incurring any of the PSSR overhead.
AW2 runs better on SX even if we compare today's PS5/Pro version with DF's coverage of the game last year, without even factoring in all the updates the SX version also got.
I think Next gen only games will benefit from more CUs and memory bandwidth.
Show me some "objective" results then. We have numbers from old games running around ~30% better than PS5, we also have PS5 Pro native app AW2 that has performance measured.
GPU that is the closest to Pro is 3070, if it wasn't vram limited in many new games it would almost be a perfect match:
How you measure that?
Last of Us Pro mode is 1440p 60 just like base mode but with PSSR
God of War Pro mode use quality settings in 60fps (unlocked) but is 1440p instead of 4k from base ps5 quality mode.
Demon's Souls is 1440p 60 just like PS5 but with PSSR? etc.
Optimizations for Pro would also make base PS5 version perform better, it's still the same architecture. So far delta seems around that 30% and if games will start to show more than that we will know that something was wrong at launch.
HFW is perfect even on base PS5
It is now, but it was not the case when it came out. It took several weeks for them to fix the shimmering of its performance mode. And the problems I see in some games with PSSR remind me of that. I dropped the game due to how bad it was (until it was fixed), that's why I ask how common it is.
Jedi Survivor's quite broken too it seems:
Not talking about PSSR or anything new.
A few weeks and it was pretty much perfect
The game released in February and was fixed in June.
www.eurogamer.net
It took them until June to fix the problem. The game came out in February.
I dont get it. Look like there is no resolution improvement or graphic improvement from 2 known youtube comparison although they are not as reliable as DF but i don't see any differences in clarity from seeing them side by side.
Yeah as it is right now it looks worse than on base console.
