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DOOM II RAY TRACED Mod vs Vanilla - Graphics Comparison
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Hollowpoint5557
A Fucking Idiot
The blood is terrible enough to make me pass on this.
MiguelItUp
Member
It can be toggled off.
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
Between this and MK, blood must be a lot harder than it looks.
Puscifer
Member
There's a 3D voxel mod that's pretty tits
ricardo_sousa11
Member
Looks pretty awesome tbh, Ideally if this could be modded into Brutal Doom would be a banger.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Can we disable the voxel characters?
existensmaximum
Member
I can't understand why anyone would prefer the modded version but then again, there are many many things I don't understand.
It's pretty much the equivalent of Star Wars: Special Edition.
It's pretty much the equivalent of Star Wars: Special Edition.
cyberheater
PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 PS4 Xbone PS4 PS4
Looks amazing.
Corporal.Hicks
Member
PT in games like Doom 2, Half Life and Quake 2 can take the atmosphere to a new level, but it also shows the compromises that have to be made in order to even run PT in such old games. Shadows are very blurry and undefined in all three games, despite the use of PT. What's worse there's noticeable time delay when lighting changes and there's also ghosting. In many places lighting has noise and flickers, so even strong denoiser clearly isnt enough (maybe Ray Reconstruction would help?).
I think with current GPUs the best way to use RT is in a hybrid way like in Metro Exodus (standard edition). Thanks to RT, the lighting in this game is no longer flat, shadows are still clean and sharp, and there's no ghosting. Performance is also much, much better compared to PT, as I can run Metro Exodus at 85-100fps even at 4K without the help of DLSS upscaling, which is not possible in PT games.
In Cyberpunk you can choose RT or PT and only RT does not ruin the experience. With PT, some places are just too dark, human faces can look strange, and of course there's some very noticeable ghosting (especially in areas lit only by indirect light).
I'm playing Alan Wake 2 right now and the game seems to be using PT in a good way, as the lighting looks natural compared to PT off and there's no noticeable ghosting, but there's still some noise in the lighting.
For the time being, PT is just a technology preview and we are still a long way from PT becoming a standard technology in games. At this stage it's better to use a hybrid RT approach IMO.
I think with current GPUs the best way to use RT is in a hybrid way like in Metro Exodus (standard edition). Thanks to RT, the lighting in this game is no longer flat, shadows are still clean and sharp, and there's no ghosting. Performance is also much, much better compared to PT, as I can run Metro Exodus at 85-100fps even at 4K without the help of DLSS upscaling, which is not possible in PT games.
In Cyberpunk you can choose RT or PT and only RT does not ruin the experience. With PT, some places are just too dark, human faces can look strange, and of course there's some very noticeable ghosting (especially in areas lit only by indirect light).
I'm playing Alan Wake 2 right now and the game seems to be using PT in a good way, as the lighting looks natural compared to PT off and there's no noticeable ghosting, but there's still some noise in the lighting.
For the time being, PT is just a technology preview and we are still a long way from PT becoming a standard technology in games. At this stage it's better to use a hybrid RT approach IMO.
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RoboFu
One of the green rats
Strawberry jam for real
It's cool tech but all the maps need do-overs to place additional light sources in them, as the hallways are too dark in my opinion.
If you look close .. they did put in lights. It's still too dark.
probably not, i think the 2d sprites would cause issues with the shadows and the lighting.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Tag makes sense. You can disable it.
No as they would look bad.
The Cockatrice
Banned
I have no issue with the blood. I like it. Reminds me of this:
Shadowstar39
Member
Amazing. I just installed it with the dlss options.
I never played a 3d version of doom before. It was a bit jarring having mouse look in 3d. Although I ran a mod for Dark Forces that did the same thing. Guess this has been a thing for years?
The rtx was really good actually, and I liked the blood. Don't like it , why not try making it yourself, its a mod, not an offical release.
Thing that gets me, how are modders able to do this but the dev team porting doom 1 +2 couldn't even get the soundtrack volume and proper rumble into the switch version when it was in the previous engine.
Thanks for showing this OP! Really fun!
I never played a 3d version of doom before. It was a bit jarring having mouse look in 3d. Although I ran a mod for Dark Forces that did the same thing. Guess this has been a thing for years?
The rtx was really good actually, and I liked the blood. Don't like it , why not try making it yourself, its a mod, not an offical release.
Thing that gets me, how are modders able to do this but the dev team porting doom 1 +2 couldn't even get the soundtrack volume and proper rumble into the switch version when it was in the previous engine.
Thanks for showing this OP! Really fun!
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
You can make it less dark.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
What is it about this game's level design that remains unmatched to this day?
It's not realistic at all, but it's interesting to play. It keeps you engaged and curious in a way that few other games do.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Soodanim
Member
I dislike it so much I was willing to listen to a few seconds of modern hip hop in support of the cause
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
These look worse in many aspects. Would prefer no character shadows or blobs for them.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I could not see a single aspect that looks worse.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I can't decide which one is worse. The second is darker because lighting but the shoes have "more details".Joking right?
and even not zoomed:
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
What detail though? Come on, the sprite was just low resolution, but the voxel version transformed it all in boots made of boxes
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bitbydeath
Member
Not as good looking as the GOAT.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
What detail though? Come on, the sprite was just low resolution, but the voxel version transformed it all in boots made of boxes
Plus the original you posted is not with RT. I said the original sprites would look worse under RT lighting than the voxel models under the RT lighting.
They are just pitch black sprites under dark scenes.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Plus the original you posted is not with RT. I said the original sprites would look worse under RT lighting than the voxel models under the RT lighting.
They are just pitch black sprites under dark scenes.
Can be solved, but it does not make the voxel characters good looking
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Than post the solution to us. Options are always welcome.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Normal maps and 2D lighting? Sample the character position and fake diffuse color (fake ambient light) if the character is in full or partial shade or full darkness?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Being more specific, post a downloadable solution.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Code it yourself
. You are arguing for arguing’s sake.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I am arguing because it is the best I can use right now. I can't play things better in theories.Code it yourself
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Buggy Loop
Member
He went into a bit more details that I saw missed in the trailers
It worked fine in Doom 1 RT.
The voxel character do look really jarring with the rest of the art - I'm not a fan either.
Voxelize/polygonize a high res model. Downsample to lower-res sprite on draw to keep the og. look without looking like poor man's lego.
It's work - but then so was voxel models in the first place - they just don't look great, especially as long as gameplay maintains 8 direction locomotion (that bothered me from the first time they introduced them - it defeats 50% of the benefit of having them voxelized).
It's not just FPS either. Played this Aliens RTS the other day and it's like ... cutscene every 30s - how is this even considered playable anymore let alone an RTS...2016 was 8 years ago
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