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Doom: The Dark Ages will use the Denuvo anti-tamper tech

It appears that the new Doom game, Doom: The Dark Ages, will be using the controversial Denuvo anti-tamper tech.

www.dsogaming.com

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Doom: The Dark Ages is a game that a lot of PC gamers are looking forward to. However, it appears that the game will be using the controversial Denuvo anti-tamper tech.

This comes as a surprise since Indiana Jones and the Great Circle did not use it. So, not only will Doom: The Dark Ages cost more than the previous Bethesda game, but it will also now use Denuvo.

Bethesda plans to release Doom: The Dark Ages on May 15th. As we’ve already reported, the game will support Full Ray Tracing/Path Tracing on PC. We can also assume that it will support DLSS 4 and Multi-Frame Gen. Thus, it will be interesting to see whether it will be enjoyable on the RTX 5090 at 4K with Path Tracing and DLSS 4 X4.

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[DownLikeBCPowder]

Sucks.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Sucks.

Why do people hate this?

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

Why do people hate this?

Why do people like spyware/bloatware?


Can cause performance problems amongst other things. Doesn't even prevent the problem it alleges to solve.

 

[lh032]

console gamers:

 

[Leviathicus]

Why do people like spyware/bloatware?


Can cause performance problems amongst other things. Doesn't even prevent the problem it alleges to solve.

It doesn't? I always thought that games that use Denuvo don't get pirated.

 

[Kacho]

Why do people hate this?

It causes extreme neckbeard anxiety

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

It doesn't? I always thought that games that use Denuvo don't get pirated.

It does seem that the software has improved over the years, so I will concede that.

 

[DaciaJC]

Why do people hate this?

It provides absolutely nothing of value to the consumer while frequently making the experience worse than it should be for legitimate customers/players.

 

[VolticArchangel]

Is that currency in the OP the Chinese yuan?

That's pretty cheap regional pricing compared to the RoW. $50 for base game and $70 for the premium edition.

 

[UniformDeliverance]

I’m not sure what people expect. Software piracy is a thing, so companies have an incentive to pay for services that help to combat that.

This will continue until the cost of the service is more than the revenue it generates. Blame the pirates if this reality upsets you.

Or I guess try to convince a large audience of paying customers to boycott a freaking doom game. I wish you the best of luck with that.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

The real post should be this + Early Access bullshit.

 

[T-Reks]

I'm sure the completely normal, socially well adjusted and not in the slightest bit autistic DOOM community will be reasonable about this

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

I'm sure the completely normal, socially well adjusted and not in the slightest bit autistic DOOM community will be reasonable about this

 

[adamsapple]

I'm sure the completely normal, socially well adjusted and not in the slightest bit autistic DOOM community will be reasonable about this

Both Doom 2016 and Eternal launched with Denuvo too so ... they should be used to this by now, I guess?

 

[T4keD0wN]

I'm sure the completely normal, socially well adjusted and not in the slightest bit autistic DOOM community will be reasonable about this

They survived the last 2 games having it, at least some of them did, possibly.

 

[T4keD0wN]

Both Doom 2016 and Eternal launched with Denuvo too so ... they should be used to this by now, I guess?

 

[adamsapple]

Shit did I forget to log out of my alt?

 

[samoilaaa]

Why do people hate this?

didnt they remove it from eternal because it was affecting performance too much ?

Doom Eternal: Bethesda Has Removed Denuvo DRM (Again) from Doom Eternal

Seems permanent this time.

in.ign.com

i havnt played jedi survivor after denuvo but say that after removal the game runs much better

 

[Kataploom]

Why do people hate this?

I get why but it's not like any game has been unplayable to me because of that, from my pov, it's like I get 90 fps with it and would probably get 112 fps without it or so, barely any meaningful effect of you ask me

 

[Kacho]

didnt they remove it from eternal because it was affecting performance too much ?

Doom Eternal: Bethesda Has Removed Denuvo DRM (Again) from Doom Eternal

Seems permanent this time.

in.ign.com

No they removed it because the game is old and they didn’t want to pay the DRM fees.

 

[baphomet]

console gamers:

Console games also have it.

At least on PC people will rip it out and the game can be played without Denuvo usually at launch instead of having to wait the 6 months to a year before it's patched out.

 

[saintjules]

Feels like these types of threads are just to alert people that can't download this game illegally.

Oh wait, its gonna be on Gamepass.

 

[Bonfires Down]

Now it's come to this
It's like we're back in the Dark Ages

 

[Windle Poons]

Wait a month until the day one sales numbers are out and they’ll probably remove it.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

As long as it doesn't impact performance

 

[Ozzie666]

Need over priced GPU to over come the drops caused by DRM. It's like causing an issue that needs better hardware just to even out, it's all a grift
People can choose not to believe it impacts your experience, but there is enough data to suggest it causes peformances issues. If you care about the best FPS.

I just choose to stay away and stick with consoles.

 

[Gonzito]

If the performance is good then i am okay with that

 

[Soodanim]

Need over priced GPU to over come the drops caused by DRM. It's like causing an issue that needs better hardware just to even out, it's all a grift
People can choose not to believe it impacts your experience, but there is enough data to suggest it causes peformances issues. If you care about the best FPS.

I just choose to stay away and stick with consoles.

I don't know how anyone could possibly think this is a grift. Companies use it to protect against early pirating, which is the most impactful on their revenue.

Calling it a grift can only be paranoia leading to a very dumb conspiracy theory or grift being a word picked up from other threads and thrown back out without an understanding of the meaning.

Let's not forget that id famously make some of the best optimised games out there, so even with denuvo it will run better than any UE5 game other companies have pushed out.

 

[od-chan]

This will, of course, mostly hurt paying customers. I won't get into the performance thing. That may or may not be an issue, and may or may not depend on implementation. In any case, it won't improve your performance. More pressing to consider:

- Denuvo puts an activation limit on your games (e: within a certain time frame). Say you wanna install the game on your Steamdeck, and maybe a couple of other devices you own. Or you change some component in your PC. This might trigger Denuvo's activation limit and you might get locked out of your game. This will also mess with your ability to run it on VMs and such in certain configurations.
- If Denuvo has any issues, you're shit out of luck.

Persona 5 Royal Denuvo: DRM Issues Anger Fans

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www.zleague.gg

Denuvo Outage Makes Hit Single-Player Game Unplayable [UPDATED]

A major Denuvo server outage leaves an extremely popular single-player game temporarily unplayable, angering fans in the process.

gamerant.com

tl;dr it's intrusive spyware. Of course I understand why a corporation would love that kinda stuff, but I gotta hand it to their marketing teams: It's an incredible feat to convince your paying customers that this is a good thing lmao

 

[cyberheater]

Console games also have it.

At least on PC people will rip it out and the game can be played without Denuvo usually at launch instead of having to wait the 6 months to a year before it's patched out.

How come consoles games have it?

 

[zeomax]

How come consoles games have it?

They don't. Denuvo offers a console version of its protection but not a single developer or publisher used it.

 

[MrJangles]

They don't. Denuvo offers a console version of its protection but not a single developer or publisher used it.

Fair enough. They don't need that on top of the scaled back port they'll receive.

 

[MMaRsu]

Ew, treating your customers like pirates

 

[Ozzie666]

I don't know how anyone could possibly think this is a grift. Companies use it to protect against early pirating, which is the most impactful on their revenue.

Calling it a grift can only be paranoia leading to a very dumb conspiracy theory or grift being a word picked up from other threads and thrown back out without an understanding of the meaning.

Let's not forget that id famously make some of the best optimised games out there, so even with denuvo it will run better than any UE5 game other companies have pushed out.

i guess the smiley face didn't give it away that I was unsuccessfully trying to be funny. But the point is this DRM causes performance issues, which is ironic because it pushes people to buy better GPU's to get the best possible performance. The last I remember the company itself dismisses any notion their DRM does anything to performance. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. But the anti-piracy techniques, makes honest gamers pay - always has.

I do agree ID usually makes good products and if anyone can make it barely noticable it's them.

Personally I think they should go back to code wheels and doc checks. People feel the same way about intrusive anti-cheat software, where does it end?

Once again me attempting to be funny and probably failing again.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

Both Doom 2016 and Eternal launched with Denuvo too so ... they should be used to this by now, I guess?

id are one of the few devs which really optimise their games - so that's a positive step.

Both Doom and Eternal look fantastic, and run like an absolute dream.

I am optimistic with The Dark Ages (even with the forced RT requirement).

I'm curious how Black Myth Wukong would run without Denuvo though; the game has garbage performance.

 

[nemiroff]

I'm not a fan of Denuvo, but man is this thread notions galore..

Any hard data on possible performance impact here, or is that too much to ask for?

 

[Kenpachii]

Easy skip then. Thanks Bethesda.

 

[Ellery]

Fuck this honestly.

I do like my framerate and frametimes.

Idiot suits don't get it that piracy was a problem of accessibility and availability and we solved that.

 

[winjer]

FFS, just when things were looking up, they had to screw up and put Denuvo on this game.

 

[Black_Stride]

FFS, just when things were looking up, they had to screw up and put Denuvo on this game.

Didnt the previous 2 games also use Denuvo?


What is a bit surprising is the Xbox Game Studios games pretty much never use Denuvo.....I cant even think of one off head.
I figured MS just never believed in Denuvo so never used it.
Why would id be using Denuvo?

 

[SomeGit]

I'm not a fan of Denuvo, but man is this thread notions galore..

Any hard data on possible performance impact here, or is that too much to ask for?

Denuvo always causes performance problems but it ranges according to implementation. At its best the game still boots and load noticeably slower compared to a a non-Denuvo version, we can class this as minimal impact, when not at its best you get stutters when accessing menus, saving/loading or even worse during gameplay. It all depends on when the game does its checks.

 

[nemiroff]

Denuvo always causes performance problems but it ranges according to implementation but at its best the game still boots and load noticeably slower compared to a a non-Denuvo version. When not at its best you get stutters when accessing menus, saving/loading or even worse during gameplay.

I swear, I didn't notice any of that in the other Doom games? I have this memory of buttery smooth performance. Idk, maybe I'm just insane?

 

[SomeGit]

I swear, I didn't notice any of that in the other Doom games? I have this memory of buttery smooth performance. Idk, maybe I'm just insane?

No, from what I remember Doom would fall into the "at best" part with minimal performance impact, it does load and boot slower than the non Denuvo version.

 

[darth.shrimp]

By the time the game's on sale at a reasonable price, Denuvo will probably (hopefully?) have been patched out already anyway.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Previous two also had it so kind of expected

 

[tylrdiablos]

Guess I'll wait for the Steam 2025 Xmas sale.
It'll be cheaper, patched up + probably have Denuvo removed by then.
Easy.

 

[willothedog]

Guess I'll wait for the Steam 2025 Xmas sale.
It'll be cheaper, patched up + probably have Denuvo removed by then.
Easy.

took over 3 years for them to remove it from Eternal.

 

[MMaRsu]

took over 3 years for them to remove it from Eternal.

 

[CliffBronger]

took over 3 years for them to remove it from Eternal.

They actually messed up on the day of release on eternal and accidentally released a denuvo less .exe

It was resolved very quickly but once it was out there it's already too late..