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[reksveks]

We all found out some interesting stuff from the court documents and testimonies in the case between Epic and Apple.

It's starting to happen again for Epic vs Google.

Google considered buying “some or all” of Epic during Fortnite clash, court documents say

Epic linked its case to a state antitrust suit against Google.

www.theverge.com

Revelation 1. Google considered buying ‘some or all’ of Epic during Fortnite clash according to Epic

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

The Gift that keeps on giving

 

[AJUMP23]

Google is evil.

 

[V1LÆM]

i love that googles thought was we should just buy them and kill them off.

meanwhile apple are playing in cat mode. they'll fuck around with epic for a while just for a bit of fun and let them burn money on legal stuff as punishment. either epic will give up or apple get bored they'll kick epic's ass.

seriously how fucking dumb is epic? they are picking a fight with the two big bullies in the playground.

 

[IntentionalPun]

i love that googles thought was we should just buy them and kill them off.

Eh more like buy them and just make them go Play Store only.

 

[ethomaz]

Well Epic was indeed on sale and China ended getting some of it.

 

[TrueLegend]

Epic, Google, Apple, Valve all are shit.....Epic is less shit than Google and Apple. Valve as a company may not care about customers but I think Gaben is still gamer at heart. My single biggest issue with Epic is that their storefront just sucks balls and I just don't get it. How can they develop unreal engine 5 and yet not have a simple feature as a product cart? Its mind-boggling to me. But on side note grab "A plague's tale: Innocence", its free there today, even if you don't have pc or are not interested in it yet.

 

[IntentionalPun]

What's funny is they ended up selling part of themselves off to Sony.. and one has to wonder if that had something to do with the profit sharing asks from Sony, as nobody would confirm whether Epic was actually giving them money, just that Sony had asked.

Not saying that's some awful thing, just that Epic are such hypocrites w/ how they act about phone app stores vs. the console manufacturers.

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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[WitchHunter]

Megacorps or corporations with a shitton of money playing measure my dick and then start fencing. Who cares? But the news are filled with it. And the worst is when people stand beside X or Y. They don't know shit about given entity, yet they wave flags. I'm sure diss company is birthing cute baby otters while da other is the root of all evil and eats babies alive.

 

[Dream-Knife]

Epic, Google, Apple, Valve all are shit.....Epic is less shit than Google and Apple. Valve as a company may not care about customers but I think Gaben is still gamer at heart. My single biggest issue with Epic is that their storefront just sucks balls and I just don't get it. How can they develop unreal engine 5 and yet not have a simple feature as a product cart? Its mind-boggling to me. But on side note grab "A plague's tale: Innocence", its free there today, even if you don't have pc or are not interested in it yet.

Valve is the only company in the race that actually cares about it's customers though.

 

[reksveks]

Valve is the only company in the race that actually cares about it's customers though.

Hmm, I don't trust any company, Valves refund policy was effectively forced upon them by Australia I think.

i love that googles thought was we should just buy them and kill them off.

meanwhile apple are playing in cat mode. they'll fuck around with epic for a while just for a bit of fun and let them burn money on legal stuff as punishment. either epic will give up or apple get bored they'll kick epic's ass.

seriously how fucking dumb is epic? they are picking a fight with the two big bullies in the playground.

Epic knows it ain't likely to win the court cases but it also knows its not the only thing it can do. It as part of the coalition of App fairness can do more and that's probably the best way that they will get the remedies that they want. The anti-trust movement is growing, the issue will be the courts that possible strike down any new laws or side with the companies over the ftc.

 

[A.Romero]

No big business exists out of goodness of the heart of anyone. If the benchmark is "how much they care about their customers" then they all fail. The only priority is profit as it should be and the illusion of customer care is just a mean to achieve it.

Even Epic charging a smaller cut is no more than a strategy to approach the market in a different way by protecting developers at the expense of users (the fees that Steam and the rest absorbs are passed along to customers).

I still think Epic is in the wrong here and their approach has been shit for consumers.

 

[FStubbs]

No big business exists out of goodness of the heart of anyone. If the benchmark is "how much they care about their customers" then they all fail. The only priority is profit as it should be and the illusion of customer care is just a mean to achieve it.

Even Epic charging a smaller cut is no more than a strategy to approach the market in a different way by protecting developers at the expense of users (the fees that Steam and the rest absorbs are passed along to customers).

I still think Epic is in the wrong here and their approach has been shit for consumers.

Profit is the #1 concern but not every business is amoral. Some businesses actually would halt at unethical behavior just to squeeze out a buck.

 

[A.Romero]

Profit is the #1 concern but not every business is amoral. Some businesses actually would halt at unethical behavior just to squeeze out a buck.

Businesses that allow their moral compass to dictate their operations don't become big businesses. They can't. They either compromise along the way or get bought by other bigger businesses.

But for the sake of argument let's say that there are big businesses somewhere that do operate positively. None of them are involved in this dispute and wouldn't be able to actually compete in this space where the ones that dominate the market simply don't care.

It's partly our fault as consumers. We go where the best prices and the best fitting products are, not where the best values are upheld. Naturally, businesses will gravitate towards what sells the most.

 

[VolticArchangel]

"Epic's against us? Google Assistant, prepare the armada. We'll use the old ways."

Sundar Pichai, you absolute madlad.

 

[Oddvintagechap]

I would have respected that.

Oh you selling stuff at your own store? We bought the mall.

 

[reksveks]

Same revelation but more info

Google discussed teaming up with Tencent to take over Epic Games

Unredacted court documents reveal more details about Google's strategies for protecting the Google Play store.

www.protocol.com

The suggestion was offered during a meeting between Apple and Google, the details of which are still confidential. But other portions of unredacted court documents reveal Google suggested to Apple the two companies team up and "work as if we are one company" to combat efforts like Epic's to undermine mobile app store commission rates and restrictions against alternative app stores.

This shit awfully sounds like collusion.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

"Epic vs Google: Revelaitons"

Sounds like a title for the next Capcom game.

 

[Unknown?]

Apple and Google are the worst companies out there by far!

 

[reksveks]

Google’s ‘Project Hug’ paid out huge sums to keep game devs in the Play Store, Epic filing claims

Google made sure popular games stayed on the Play Store.

www.theverge.com

I was wrong slightly, there was some competition for devs. Trying to get them to not copy Epic's move.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Google’s ‘Project Hug’ paid out huge sums to keep game devs in the Play Store, Epic filing claims

Google made sure popular games stayed on the Play Store.

www.theverge.com

I was wrong slightly, there was some competition for devs. Trying to get them to not copy Epic's move.

Paying devs to stay exclusive to your store on a platform huh?

Sounds familiar lol

 

[reksveks]

Paying devs to stay exclusive to your store on a platform huh?

Sounds familiar lol

To be fair, there are a couple of big differences though but the irony isn't lost on me.

 

[IntentionalPun]

To be fair, there are a couple of big differences though but the irony isn't lost on me.

I don't disagree; it's not exactly the same.. but..

Quite familiar lol

Google really should just make an open policy like Valve does; they got big pubs back on the platform by just advertising your cut gets bigger when sales volume is massive.

But Google are sneaky fucks, and Valve really aren't.. so...

 

[LOLCats]

Google countersuing now

Google Countersues Epic Over ‘Unapproved’ Fortnite Version

(Bloomberg) -- Google ramped up its antitrust battle with Epic Games Inc., countersuing the game maker for launching its blockbuster Fortnite game last year on Android and sidestepping the Google Play billing system.Most Read from BloombergGoogle’s Biggest Moonshot Is Its Search for a...

finance.yahoo.com

 

[reksveks]

Get the issue about the hotfix to the Google play store version.

But the following seems weird

Epic continues to breach its contractual obligations as gamers who downloaded the “unapproved” version of Fortnite can still make in-app purchases through Epic’s payment system outside Google Play, according to the complaint.

Are they complaining about users whom did download the hotfixed version but haven't yet updated or Google hasn't removed the app from their device.

 

[Alexios]