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Has the DS won already?
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lockii said:I've always thought Nintendo was above mudslinging, but I guess the Reggielution changed that. If Sony does those ads Nintendo should reply with RE4/Zelda graphic laden commercials
I agree to an extent, although of course RE4/Zelda graphic laden commercials won't help them on the DS front. And since I don't really think they can do anything to come back in the console wars (this generation), I think they should save such mudslinging in the console sector for the Revolution vs. PS3 vs. Xenon.
lockii said:
I think there's no way the DS can be a failure on the Virtual Boy level. How many units did VB sell total?
But, yeah, I agree. It won't have any impact on GBA2's success. Nintendo will have a bigger hurdle to jump if Sony does solidify a place in first place, but they can easily hop back in first place with good technology.
Dagless M.D.
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1+1=3?
AniHawk said:
Yeah. So there's pretty much no way the DS can be a Virtual Boy level failure.
We made a joke about this in another thread, too.
<SonyFanboys> "Shit, bring out the masses! The DS is no longer a class A Virtual Boy-level failure. Sound the green alarms!"
<SonyServant> "What do we label it now, boss?"
<SonyFanboys> "It's now going to be a Game Gear level failure! Doomed...Doomed...!"
PSP will sell well initially I think, and it'll do well next year, but after that I see the appeal wearing off fast, the second a new portable with "BETTER GFX" and a cooler design comes along it'll be almost irrelevant, the NDS can play GBA games, so it already has a better game library, and DS games will only get better once developers figure out the system properly. I can easily see the Nintendo DS selling as much as the GBA has.
Pimpbaa
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If nintendo drops the price is the DS, then I think it will do very well against the psp when it is released in north america. Lower price plus gba backwards capability will be a more attractive option for a lot of people. Although I think the psp will will really take off a year or so down the road just like the ps1 did (if sony drops the price of the psp).
Why's that? UMD are as durable as Nintendo DS or GBA carts, except they don't even have any exposed pin connectors. What makes the drive so fragile as well? You don't want to be kicking the damn thing down a flight of stairs but I doubt a DS would fair so well with that.Gregory said:
You could easily say that the DS's touch screen won't hold up to the abuse that children put on it with much more valid reasoning than saying UMD can't withstand child level treatment.
The only hurdle I see for the PSP is price and games.
NDS will probably drop to $129 by the time the PSP is released and is backward compatible with GBA games. We still haven't seen that game, Halo like game for NDS, that is all Nintendo needs to hold their user base. Remember Square-Enix is putting a lot of their games on the NDS. History says who ever has Square-Enix support wins. Not to mention the upcoming announcement of Square-Enix and online.
NDS will probably drop to $129 by the time the PSP is released and is backward compatible with GBA games. We still haven't seen that game, Halo like game for NDS, that is all Nintendo needs to hold their user base. Remember Square-Enix is putting a lot of their games on the NDS. History says who ever has Square-Enix support wins. Not to mention the upcoming announcement of Square-Enix and online.
The winner of the DS vs PSP wars will be determined by who gets THE killer app.
The Gameboy had Tetris
The Game Boy Color had Pokemon
the GBA had pokemon (again)
The DS will have Pokemon and JSS, and it seems to be getting most of the SE support
the PSP may very well get a GTA, and EA seems to prefer the PSP.
Really, whoever gets the killer app wins. ATM, it could be PSP. It could be DS. It could be both.
The Gameboy had Tetris
The Game Boy Color had Pokemon
the GBA had pokemon (again)
The DS will have Pokemon and JSS, and it seems to be getting most of the SE support
the PSP may very well get a GTA, and EA seems to prefer the PSP.
Really, whoever gets the killer app wins. ATM, it could be PSP. It could be DS. It could be both.
Well, right now the DS is winning!
I think DS will end up "beating" the PSP by number of units sold. DS just has so much more to offer to the handheld gamers. Pokémon, Megaman Battle Network... hey, even Final Fantasy III. Jump Super Stars WILL be huge in Japan, and even the USA I bet if it comes here. Touch screen is a great feature to tout to parents, as well as backwards capabiliity with the GBA games. Battery life is also important. Just because Nintendo's image is kiddy with the Gamecube doesn't apply with the DS... I looks pretty slick/professional, and has a high-profile FPS coming out for it (Metroid). Nintendo hardware is proven to last long... can't say the same with Sony. UMD movies aren't gonna have the same appeal as those GBA videos... Telling some the PSP can do all great things like play mp3s and videos off of their computer sounds really fun, but them you show them the Mem stick price... x.x Lastly, I just cannot see the older market playing with PSP much.
Also, I bet the DS is more successful than the PSP. Games will be so much more less to make for developers. The media is cheaper. The graphics don't need to be as intense as the PSP graphics. People will expect really big-budget stuff for PSP, while DS can get away with 2D graphics. The PSP has to cost so much to manufacture, with that screen, UMD reader, GPS stuff, etc. DS costs less. And it is sold at a comparable price to PSP.
I think DS will end up "beating" the PSP by number of units sold. DS just has so much more to offer to the handheld gamers. Pokémon, Megaman Battle Network... hey, even Final Fantasy III. Jump Super Stars WILL be huge in Japan, and even the USA I bet if it comes here. Touch screen is a great feature to tout to parents, as well as backwards capabiliity with the GBA games. Battery life is also important. Just because Nintendo's image is kiddy with the Gamecube doesn't apply with the DS... I looks pretty slick/professional, and has a high-profile FPS coming out for it (Metroid). Nintendo hardware is proven to last long... can't say the same with Sony. UMD movies aren't gonna have the same appeal as those GBA videos... Telling some the PSP can do all great things like play mp3s and videos off of their computer sounds really fun, but them you show them the Mem stick price... x.x Lastly, I just cannot see the older market playing with PSP much.
Also, I bet the DS is more successful than the PSP. Games will be so much more less to make for developers. The media is cheaper. The graphics don't need to be as intense as the PSP graphics. People will expect really big-budget stuff for PSP, while DS can get away with 2D graphics. The PSP has to cost so much to manufacture, with that screen, UMD reader, GPS stuff, etc. DS costs less. And it is sold at a comparable price to PSP.
Mr_Furious
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I guess you missed the word real in my post. None, I repeat, NONE of those handhelds had the hype/anticipation/momentum the PSP has leading up to it's release.f_elz said:
Mr_Furious
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Mr_Furious
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Whatever dude. If you consider those other portables as true competition to Nintendo when none of them could even get off the ground then the jokes on you.f_elz said:
Mike Works
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Clean is better than dirty and two screens are better than one.
Should I just lock this thread because it is pretty obvious the DS has already won.
mashoutposse, can you concede that the PSP has lost so we can end this madness?
Should I just lock this thread because it is pretty obvious the DS has already won.
mashoutposse, can you concede that the PSP has lost so we can end this madness?
Mr_Furious
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Please stop with your delusions already. I was an adult when the TurboExpress, Lynx, GG and the NGpocket released and there was no real hype leading up to their release. Every single fucking launch saw plenty of unpurchased units collecting dust on store shelves. Many retailers had to stop accepting pre-orders for the PSP due to such a high demand, which you can't say for the failed portables of yester-year. Oh and they weren't superior in everything, btw.f_elz said:
Mr_Furious
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Just because Sega decided to continue the GG line doesn't mean it wasn't a failure in the eyes of both industry and consumers. They just refused to accept defeat when it was clearly so.GaimeGuy said:
Mr_Furious
Member
You seem to have a real problem comprehending the word "competition". None of these put up much of a fight for Nintendo and it took little to know effort to squash any competitor's effort due to pure control of the market. Oh and you're forgetting the Ngage in your piddly list.f_elz said:
KeithFranklin
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Even if Nintendo wins they lose.
Simply because Nintendo owned 100% marketshare for portables. Unless the market increase to cover the drop in marketshare Nintendo will have less revenue coming from the portable market.
Say the market is 10 million units per year. Right now Nintendo gets it all.
When the PSP is released even if it only grabs 10% of the market Nintendo loses 1 million unit sales per year.
Simply because Nintendo owned 100% marketshare for portables. Unless the market increase to cover the drop in marketshare Nintendo will have less revenue coming from the portable market.
Say the market is 10 million units per year. Right now Nintendo gets it all.
When the PSP is released even if it only grabs 10% of the market Nintendo loses 1 million unit sales per year.
The Abominable Snowman
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The GameGear sold VERY well in the US. I believe it sold over 12 million in it's lifetime. Sega killed it, not Nintendo.Mr_Furious said:
Mr_Furious
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Nice retort Mr. "Posting like an Uninformed Retard". Now kindly STFU since you obviously don't know a goddamn thing.f_elz said:
Mr_Furious
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12 million is a joke of a number compared to what Nintendo was raking in during the course of the GG's life time. Sega obviously killed it because it failed. Next.The Abominable Snowman said: