sigrad
Member
Probably because it's not as bad as dude saysMack gave it a 6.5 and hes usually spot on I've found.
The bad stealth and AI is putting me off. How is it getting 8's and 9's if its that bad.
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Indiana Jones and The Great Circle | Review Thread
March Climber
Member
I bet if it happened in a game first you wouldn’t feel that way lol.
intheinbetween
Member
Mack gave it a 6.5 and hes usually spot on I've found.
The bad stealth and AI is putting me off. How is it getting 8's and 9's if its that bad.
Wow, based on that criteria Uncharted would even score lower
Freeman76
Member
And final fantasy was an rpg instead of an action game for PS teens that was lapped up by GAF
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Bro, fucking chill off the green gatorade. It's a general comment. You can find posts of my criticizing the industry at large for being less rigorous with technical polish throughout the year.
Because even the most positive reviews mention glitches, clunky combat, bad stealth, bad AI, shaky side quests and hindering design quirks.
Sounds like a spiritual successor to Escape from Butcher Bay, which also got plenty of 90s due to its overall atmosphere and mix of elements.
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Von Hugh
Member
Wow, a game that isn't getting 10/10s and 5/5 hasn't got perfect mechanics everywhere.
This, and more news at 11. We might even learn how Baldur's Gate 3 got stellar reviews while being a broken game at times at launch.
MMaRsu
Member
Mack gave it a 6.5 and hes usually spot on I've found.
The bad stealth and AI is putting me off. How is it getting 8's and 9's if its that bad.
That guy is the saltiest clown in the world, also terrible at games.
Fuck that guy
BigLee74
Member
Jesus. I was thread banned from the MSFS2024 thread for telling folk to wait a few days and the server issues - whilst frustrating - will be sorted (guess who was right?). Meanwhile this guy is in all the Indiana Jones thread telling us how shit it obviously is and how the reviews should be ignored. 
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GHG
Member
Wow, based on that criteria Uncharted would even score lower
He doesn't like those games either.
Swing and miss.
Judge Death
Neo Member
They're like millenials or zoomers, brought up to think they're always right, especially when they're wrong. They cherry pick facts in order to control the narrative the way they want it to be and they will damn well make sure they tell everyone that. This being a great game to the Playstation lot is like you know who winning the you know what again to the lefties.Jesus. I was thread banned from the MSFS2024 thread for telling folk to wait a few days and the server issues - whilst frustrating - will be sorted (guess who was right?). Meanwhile this guy is in all the Indiana Jones thread telling us how shit it obviously is and how the reviews should be ignored.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I think its easy to work out how you could love this game and how others couldn't.
Do you like the idea of a slower paced methodical Indiana Jones game where you are hardly using combat and adventuring around large areas with shortcut unlocks and level design that would make dishonored or escape from butcher bay proud.
Are you into the idea of playing indiana Jones and working though his actual investigation process. A dishonored lite with great production values. Acting score etc. Good interesting characters.
Or do you want something else. Simple i think.
Personally. I think the first person is awesome too. I love whenever I get to see indy in a cut scene more than just looking at him all the time. Not sure how to explain it.
Do you like the idea of a slower paced methodical Indiana Jones game where you are hardly using combat and adventuring around large areas with shortcut unlocks and level design that would make dishonored or escape from butcher bay proud.
Are you into the idea of playing indiana Jones and working though his actual investigation process. A dishonored lite with great production values. Acting score etc. Good interesting characters.
Or do you want something else. Simple i think.
Personally. I think the first person is awesome too. I love whenever I get to see indy in a cut scene more than just looking at him all the time. Not sure how to explain it.
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Brigandier
Gold Member
He's still correct that Indy has absolutely awful enemy AI and stupid dumbed down difficulty that should be highlighted, But due to how easy and hand holdy games are in 2024 it's no longer a talking point with most reviewers and gamers giving it a pass because they're shit on games and need an enemy to have a vision bar above their heads in broad daylight when they're running around in the open.
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intheinbetween
Member
Enemies AI settings can be tuned at the configuration menu
Brigandier
Gold Member
So you can turn off silly "enemy sight bars"??
intheinbetween
Member
Brigandier
Gold Member
Thanks for that
I will give the game a try now. Poor form from WAB review not showing this and playing the game with these cranked up/down.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I set the difficulty to hard straight away as Karak mentioned its a little too easy on the standard settings. I just treated it like I would with halo and setting to heroic on first playthrough.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Man, this game is shaping up to be better than I expected
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Game came out literally 20 years ago. You'll excuse me if I don't believe those standards are sufficient in 2024.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Imagine having this kind of granularity on shaping the experience how you want and a reviewers doesn't mention it.
Judge Death
Neo Member
It's 2024 mate.
Thebonehead
Gold Member
When you try to be edgy but just come across as a complete mong
Negotiator
Member
id Tech 7 is probably the most multi-threaded engine:Dam i did not expect this game to be CPU intensive. All AAA games launched in 2024 are very CPU intensive.
id Tech 7 - Wikipedia
I remember PCMR folks insisting quad/hexa core processors would match current-gen consoles, but that didn't age very well.
BigLee74
Member
‘spiritual successor’
He’s not saying it is exactly like.
On a side note, I played that game all those years ago on my PC. It looked amazing for the time, and I still remember and say the line ‘Wanna live? Get a shiv!’. Wife doesn’t like it
BigLee74
Member
Forum could definitely do with some sort of ‘mong’ reaction emoji.
We're talking about Riddick in much larger environments with more options to complete objectives, puzzles and a greater cinematic focus. So the question is not whether you can release the same game 20 years later and get similar scores. The question is whether you can release a significantly evolved experience that still has some of the original's flaws, and still get similar scores.
Humdinger
Member
Mack gave it a 6.5 and hes usually spot on I've found.
The bad stealth and AI is putting me off. How is it getting 8's and 9's if its that bad.
Yeah, I like Mack, too. I find him trustworthy, although of course I don't agree with his taste on everything. He has fun with his reviews, injects a lot of humor.
Here is the full review for those interested:
He can be harsh, but that's a necessary counterbalance in today's world, where most reviewers are paid-off access types who blow a lot of wind up your skirt. And the things he criticizes here (dumb enemy AI, easy puzzles, predominance of stealth) are criticisms I've heard mentioned several times.
Note also that he enjoyed the game and gave it a thumbs up generally, found it compelling. Don't compare the 6.5 rating to the usual two-point scale most reviewers use (7.5 to 9.5). He tends to use the full scale.
87 isn't exactly 'middle 80s'. And apparently Suicide Squad and Star Wars Outlaws are no longer AAA games.
Makes it even funnier there's people shilling for his opinion here.
I guess this wave of wailing is driven by the fact that the critic and player consensus around Indiana Jones is that it isn't 'lame' or 'awful' like you kept repeating.
Negotiator
Member
I'm 101% sure if Uncharted 2 was released today, it wouldn't get a 96 Metascore.
Why? Because most "console" gamers these days are former PC/WoW gamers, so all they wanna play is yet another Soulsborne clone, or an open-world RPG collectathon.
That's why they say "we" don't need more games like Uncharted or Indy.
They definitely don't speak for all of us (longtime PS3 fans).
winjer
Member
id Tech 7 is probably the most multi-threaded engine:
id Tech 7 - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
I remember PCMR folks insisting quad/hexa core processors would match current-gen consoles, but that didn't age very well.
That is just pure non-sense.
People haven't being recommending quad cores for gaming for over a decade.
And even six cores are the bare minimum for gaming, for several years now.
Still, even an older 6 core CPU, like a 5600X, will crush the 8 core Zen2 CPU on consoles, just due to higher IPC, cache and clocks.
Freeman76
Member
Happened to me loads of times on GAF. Some people fly under the radar with their console war bullshit and others are pulled over about miniscule shit that isnt even a console war. I own an xbox, ps5 and PC, yet if I slate anything Sony does I'm green rat, its fucked up but with GAF it depends if you're team Sony or not mainlyJesus. I was thread banned from the MSFS2024 thread for telling folk to wait a few days and the server issues - whilst frustrating - will be sorted (guess who was right?). Meanwhile this guy is in all the Indiana Jones thread telling us how shit it obviously is and how the reviews should be ignored.
DirtInUrEye
Neo Member
Nah, these days he's crap. And probably the communicatively laziest "videogame critic" on YouTube. If Mac isn't saying something's 'fun' twelve times in ten minutes, then it's 'shite' and that's as far as it goes. Piano outro.
Humdinger
Member
Think so, huh? Everyone's got an opinion I suppose.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I’m going to do something I don’t do often…praise Xbox/microsoft.
I’ve read enough reviews and I am 100% confident that this is easily the best exclusive they’ve had in many many years. Despite being a very low bar. This seems like a legit good game and fun for someone like me who enjoyed the Indy films (except Dial of Destiny).
Whenever Microsoft acquires a studio that studio loses its edge and produces inferior games. From Rare to Bethesda this pattern has held. (Yes Rare put out Sea of Thieves and if you want to call one game in 15+ years a success…more power to you). At the moment Machine Games seems to still be capable of making a solid game. id tech is an amazing engine and it needs to be used far more often than stutterfest unreal.
Is this game a game changing masterpiece or an all time great? I doubt I will reach that conclusion.
But it’s a solid game that fans of Indy and/or Machine Games should check out especially if you have Gamepass.
When all is said and done ID software and Machine games may end up being the best things to come out of the Bethesda acquisition.
We will see if my impressions hold up after I….ya know….actually play it.
However, one game does not restore my faith in the Xbox brand and I won’t have my faith restored until Phil, Sarah, Booty, and Greenberg are gone. Microsoft recently promoted Craig Duncan to be in charge of Xbox studios . Maybe they can make a difference.
Time will tell.
I’ve read enough reviews and I am 100% confident that this is easily the best exclusive they’ve had in many many years. Despite being a very low bar. This seems like a legit good game and fun for someone like me who enjoyed the Indy films (except Dial of Destiny).
Whenever Microsoft acquires a studio that studio loses its edge and produces inferior games. From Rare to Bethesda this pattern has held. (Yes Rare put out Sea of Thieves and if you want to call one game in 15+ years a success…more power to you). At the moment Machine Games seems to still be capable of making a solid game. id tech is an amazing engine and it needs to be used far more often than stutterfest unreal.
Is this game a game changing masterpiece or an all time great? I doubt I will reach that conclusion.
But it’s a solid game that fans of Indy and/or Machine Games should check out especially if you have Gamepass.
When all is said and done ID software and Machine games may end up being the best things to come out of the Bethesda acquisition.
We will see if my impressions hold up after I….ya know….actually play it.
However, one game does not restore my faith in the Xbox brand and I won’t have my faith restored until Phil, Sarah, Booty, and Greenberg are gone. Microsoft recently promoted Craig Duncan to be in charge of Xbox studios . Maybe they can make a difference.
Time will tell.
MMaRsu
Member
Thats exactly one of the reasons this guy isnt trustworthy.Thanks for that
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
id tech should be the most popular engine being used right now. I can’t recall a single Unreal engine game I’ve played that performs flawlessly in many many years aside from the Mass Effect Legendary edition and well its old.
As for whether id tech translates to open world remains to be seen.
winjer
Member
Many years ago, it was.
But then id had problems with people leaving and the studio almost collapsed.
After it was bought by Zenimax, it became exclusive to only the corporation.
It's a shame, because it is much better optimized than Unreal Engine.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
I still think it looks lame and have no interest in playing it. I still believe that Indiana Jones is better fit for 3rd person than 1st. Now that it's out, it's clearly not the total dog water that EVERYONE else also thought it looked like before these reviews dropped. My opinion wasn't exactly a hot take.I guess this wave of wailing is driven by the fact that the critic and player consensus around Indiana Jones is that it isn't 'lame' or 'awful' like you kept repeating.
There's nothing edgy about the statement. If you find it such, it must've pricked a nerve. Your problem little buddy.
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Thebonehead
Gold Member
No nerve pricked.
Laughing at you make a complete mong out of yourself as you couldn't work out what year it is or even how CPU performant this game is.
Multiple people have called you out on it.
Everyone is laughing at your whiny bitch takes.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Matty P is one reviewer, his opinions might be different than others. More reviews, streams, comments in podcasts etc (or at least the one's I routinely listen to) have likened it to an immersive sim.
But regardless of that, we can both agree that this is a lot more involved of a game than we may have thought of with the announcement trailer, which didn't exactly do a good job showing off the kind of game it actually was when 'playing'.
Cool, more of these option are always welcome.
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ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
I mistyped one number. All of you jumping on that like a big thing smacks of insecurity. I made a general comment about the state of optimization, that hasn't been denied about this game or others.
Laugh if you want, but it sounds childish and pathetic to me.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Using all the CPU threads isnt bad optimization though. Bad optimization is when your game starts hitching because one thread is maxed out and half of the other threads are idle.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Lots of great looking games from Microsoft this year.
Hellblade 2 and Microsoft Flight Simulator are looking neat
Wolves hunt in packs
Member
man oh man, you so negative about recent games, can you share what do you enjoy playing?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
He really does, completely needlessly became the target of so many dumbasses since the announcement video, including some on GAF as well, who used that image as a 'punchline' for months.
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Bumblebeetuna
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