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[hemo memo]

It wasn't broken yet they insisted to fix it. First one was good. Follow the same formula. How hard is that?

 

[Ulysses 31]

It wasn't broken yet they insisted to fix it. First one was good. Follow the same formula. How hard is that?

It's hard when you feel guilty about making the first movie.

But to be fair, Arthur could never be the real Joker since he's already so old and Bruce Wayne is still a kid.

 

[ricardo_sousa11]

The only truly iconic part of this joker is his design, his clothes and facepaint, it always fell short in everything else.

Its really a shame letting that to waste.

 

[winjer]

Jared Letto must be loving all of this.

 

[LegendOfKage]

"No"

Or how about "okay, but we have final say on the script." I was thinking a musical could have been really cool if the songs were good and so was the story. I didn't consider the "this is what you bastards get for liking my movie, and sympathizing with my sympathetic character" angle.

 

[Majormaxxx]

I'm going to see it next week. I doubt it is as bad as they say.

Yeah but is it worth the ticket price

 

[Slothbeing1209]

 

[YCoCg]

Inside the ‘Joker: Folie à Deux’ Debacle: Todd Phillips ‘Wanted Nothing to Do’ With DC on the $200 Million Misfire

Todd Phillips “wanted nothing to do with DC” during the making of the film and refused to test screen the $200 million comic book sequel.

variety.com

So James Gunn wasn't allowed any input because Todd was being a primadonna, no wonder it was a disaster.

 

[AJUMP23]

OH MAN!

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

 

[SJRB]

 

[Jack Videogames]

OH MAN!

Get morb'd

 

[chromhound]

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Did it really do 114 million global?

 

[FunkMiller]

This disaster is clearly all down to Phillips being a fucking ass hat, and WB being dumb enough to let him do what he wanted.

 

[Mossybrew]

I read the spoilers lol, well now we know how you become the Joker - you have to kill the previous Joker. It's a vicious cycle.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

who knows where it'll end up but it wont be close to $1B.

Oddly, International has done much better than domestic 2:1. Numbers.com has Joker 2 at $40M, and International at $75M. And International doesnt even have all countries tracked yet.

Looking at some recent movies like Spidey, Deadpool and Th Batman, Domestic/International split is closer to 1:1.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Did it really do 114 million global?

Ya.

Joker: Folie à Deux (2024) - Financial Information

Financial analysis of Joker: Folie à Deux (2024) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.

www.the-numbers.com

Theatrical Performance
Domestic Box Office	$39,505,630	Details
International Box Office	$75,400,000	Details
Worldwide Box Office	$114,905,630

 

[CastorSoze]

I just wish I was at the pitch meeting where the guy who just made you a billion dollars walks up to you and says “the sequel is gonna be a musical”, lmao.

What do you even do at that point?

I'm sure we'll see the pitch meeting later this week.

I'll wait until this available for home viewing, which, going by the time between Borderlands performing badly and it's digital release, won't be far away.

 

[Radical_3d]

I just wish I was at the pitch meeting where the guy who just made you a billion dollars walks up to you and says “the sequel is gonna be a musical”, lmao.

What do you even do at that point?

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Turning a villain's dark story into a musical show is tight.

 

[Azelover]

Get used to it Todd, I don't think you will be working for a while. I believe the Hollywood term is "Director Jail"

How much of the fault lies on the script though. Maybe it's a combination of many aspects.

I’ve been told Joaquin and Gaga did a good job..

 

[Radical_3d]

Turning a villain's dark story into a musical show is tight…

… but didn’t we stablished that the main character had embraced his persona at the end of the first movie?

 

[Kraz]

In general, people don’t want to see musical movies. It’s cheesy. If they want to see it, they pay more money and watch a live show at a downtown theatre paying $100/ticket. No different than going to concert. Unless it’s Taylor swift nobody is going to pay $12 to watch a concert in a theatre. They’ll pay big money and be with 10,000s of other people at a stadium.

They might watch a Taylor concert but Cats did very poorly.

Not that I'd extend that result to impugn all musicals. I think the Greatest Showman came out around then. Poppins 2. I only saw the second and really liked it.

Who wants to see a comic book character in a musical? Lol.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Ya.

Joker: Folie à Deux (2024) - Financial Information

Financial analysis of Joker: Folie à Deux (2024) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, DVD and Blu-ray sales reports, total earnings and profitability.

www.the-numbers.com

Theatrical Performance
Domestic Box Office	$39,505,630	Details
International Box Office	$75,400,000	Details
Worldwide Box Office	$114,905,630

So is this a W or an L? 114 M seems like a lot.

 

[Ulysses 31]

So is this a W or an L? 114 M seems like a lot.

For a 200M budget without factoring in the promotion costs?

Movies need to make about 2.5-3 times the budget at the box office to start breaking even.

 

[tkscz]

This disaster is clearly all down to Phillips being a fucking ass hat, and WB being dumb enough to let him do what he wanted.

Dude made an excellent movie on a $70 million budget that would make $1 billion. Of course they're going to want the guy to make a sequel and let him do whatever he wants.

That said, makes zero sense they would then give him $200 million to make this sequel when he clearly didn't need it. If this movie was also $70 million, still would be losing money but losing a shit ton less.

Remember, the production is $200 million, advertising at the very LEAST is $100 million and whatever they make, theaters take half. So at the very least, this movie put WB $242.5 million in the hole.

So is this a W or an L? 114 M seems like a lot.

Absolutely a loss. To break even, they would, at the very least, need to make $600 million as theaters take half of the overall box office and the production cost does not include the marketing cost which can cost as much as the production on average or even more depending on how much they advertise it.

A good movie to keep in mind is Joss Weadon's Justice League. Movie's production was $300 million and it made over $800 million but WB still lost money from it.

 

[FunkMiller]

So is this a W or an L? 114 M seems like a lot.

It's a massive loss. The film needs a good 500 million to break even. It 's unlikely to clear 250 million when the box office run is done. It's likely to lead to a 200 million dollar plus black hole for Warner Bros. As bad, if not worse, than The Flash.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

It's a massive loss. The film needs a good 500 million to break even. It 's unlikely to clear 250 million when the box office run is done. It's likely to lead to a 200 million dollar plus black hole for Warner Bros. As bad, if not worse, than The Flash.

How the fuck does a movie without any insane VFX or the like cost $500m to break even? Shit like this always makes me think money laundering

 

[FunkMiller]

How the fuck does a movie without any insane VFX or the like cost $500m to break even? Shit like this always makes me think money laundering

By all accounts 50 million of it just went on Gaga, Phoenix and Phillips. But on a film with basically two locations, you have to wonder what kind of creative accounting was going on.

 

[Ulysses 31]

How the fuck does a movie without any insane VFX or the like cost $500m to break even? Shit like this always makes me think money laundering

Bro, think about it, theatres take about a 50% cut from ticket price(some places even more like China). So if the budget was 200M, it needs to generate 400M box office revenue to start breaking even.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Todd Phillips' reputation in the bin

You follow one of Joaquin's dream...

How $200M was injected into this with no test screenings nor any involvement from DC boss.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

So is this a W or an L? 114 M seems like a lot.

L.

Joker 1 made $250M in it's opening weekend, got much better reviews, had a fraction of the budget and it ended up making $1B box office receipts.

 

[bender]

Who wants to see a comic book character in a musical?

Tank Girl, also known as easily the best comic book movie ever created, has musical numbers in it. Maybe the downfall of Joker 2 wasn't the musical bits but rather the lack of Ice Cube dressed as a kangaroo. Think about it!

 

[Dirk Benedict]

This disaster is clearly all down to Phillips being a fucking ass hat, and WB being dumb enough to let him do what he wanted.

So, he used the success of the first movie to basically fast track this mess into obscurity. I think Phillips and Hollywood deserve each other, if they desire flops, then let them be joined at the hip.

 

[Hari Seldon]

I’m a huge fan of musicals but I’d rather let a homeless guy shit in my mouth than see another comic book movie. There is no overlap at all with these audiences lmao.

 

[FunkMiller]

You just know they only stuck the face carving thing in there at the end to annoy Christopher Nolan The dumbest trick WB ever pulled was pissing him off.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

I still think a musical could have worked.

After all we already had a perfect comic book tortured incel villain musical at a slightly less than $200 million budget:


Initial takeaways, Jooiuoiaquiiouoan Phoenix is no NPH or Nathan Fillion. And Lady Gaga doesn't hold up next to OG Gamer Grrl Felicia "All Day Every" Day. And this Todd Phillips douche ain't shit compared to Casting Couch King Joss Whedon.

Discuss.

 

[IDKFA]

Tank Girl, also known as easily the best comic book movie ever created.

One of the hottest takes I've ever seen.

 

[Warspite]

How much of the fault lies on the script though. Maybe it's a combination of many aspects.

I’ve been told Joaquin and Gaga did a good job..

Could well be their fault but it looks like the start of a narrative is being set up that it was Todd Phillip's fault here.

 

[kunonabi]

One of the hottest takes I've ever seen.

I'll give it that Lori Petty as Tank Girl is one of the greatest casting choices in comic book movie history but man that movie just does not work despite how much I wished it did.

 

[bender]

One of the hottest takes I've ever seen.

I'm programmed to tell the truth.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

So is this a W or an L? 114 M seems like a lot.

Movies stuidos make way less money on the international box office than domestic.

Case in point: the Warcraft movie did great at the international box office, especially in China, but it still lost the studio money by bombing in the States, so no more were made.

 

[ManaByte]

Inside the ‘Joker: Folie à Deux’ Debacle: Todd Phillips ‘Wanted Nothing to Do’ With DC on the $200 Million Misfire

Todd Phillips “wanted nothing to do with DC” during the making of the film and refused to test screen the $200 million comic book sequel.

variety.com

Insiders say the duo’s glaring absence for a film that is based on one of the biggest draws in the DC canon underscores a dysfunctional dynamic that played out behind the scenes on the ill-fated Warner Bros. musical. Todd Phillips “wanted nothing to do with DC” during the making of the film, says one agent familiar with the director’s unique carve-out, which allowed him to bypass any oversight from the brand’s gatekeepers. Although Gunn has publicly supported the film on social media, Phillips has distanced himself from DC. As the animated title-card sequence unspooled inside the iconic Hollywood cinema in the opening minutes, it became apparent that Phillips had just given DC the middle finger. There was no DC Studios logo.

Now that the dust has settled on the sequel’s disastrous opening weekend, plenty of soul-searching is taking place on the Burbank lot. The overarching question being asked is: Why spend $200 million to make — and nearly $100 million to market — a tentpole that ignores the DC fanbase? And “ignores” may be putting it mildly. As a Rolling Stone review of the film succinctly put it: “‘Joker: Folie à Deux’ Has a Message for Fans: Go F-ck Yourselves.”

And even Warner Bros.’ feedback was sometimes ignored. Sources say Zaslav met one-on-one with Phillips shortly after WarnerMedia and Discovery merged in April 2022 and was open to filming in Los Angeles if the director would make the sequel at a lower price point. (The studio preferred London, where it would have cost about 20% less.) But Phillips insisted on shooting in Los Angeles, and the budget didn’t change.

Other battles of will between Phillips and Warners ensued. Phillips refused to test screen “Joker 2.” So its premiere in Venice marked the first time an audience saw it. The critics rejected it, and the film tallied a disastrous 33% score on Rotten Tomatoes well before earning a dismal “D” CinemaScore. To put that grade into context, the much reviled “Madame Web” landed a “C+” earlier this year. (A Warners spokesperson says, “Given the film contains spoilers, the studio did not want to unnecessarily divulge plot points too early to test audiences, but rather, allow moviegoers to discover the film in their own time.”)

“No one could get through to Todd,” says one source directly involved with the film. “And the one thing about genre stuff: If you don’t listen and pay attention to what the fan expectations are, you’re going to fail.”

In fact, catering to the fanbase was supposed to be the strategy. When the Zaslav era began, the CEO touted a 10-year plan for DC that would take a page from the Marvel playbook, in which all films adhere to the singular vision of president Kevin Feige. Yet somehow the “Joker” sequel was allowed to skirt that mandate, with Phillips operating in an alternate silo from the newly installed DC chiefs. Not surprisingly, the core DC fans revolted, and the result is damage to the brand.

 

[Mr Reasonable]

I'd rather some films miss the mark than everything adhere to committee approval tbh.

Unfortunately, I think this has become a bit of a pile on now, and some people who might have enjoyed the film will be saying they'll never watch it. Hearing that a film is a musical is enough to make me lose interest, so I'll probably be one of them, but I hope that someone straying from the well worn path won't be blamed and become even less likely off the back of this film's losses.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I think Warner Bros has a lot of thinking to do about whether they want to be a financially solvent, non-bankrupt company or whether they want to die on this hill of a political agenda. Because they are trying to be the Ubisoft of mainstream media companies right now

Also I don't know why Todd Phillips should ever direct a movie in Hollywood ever again, he's probably going to lose WB at least $200 to $300 million to own the chuds, I don't think the chuds are the ones being owned here

 

[Interfectum]

I think Warner Bros has a lot of thinking to do about whether they want to be a financially solvent, non-bankrupt company or whether they want to die on this hill of a political agenda. Because they are trying to be the Ubisoft of mainstream media companies right now

Also I don't know why Todd Phillips should ever direct a movie in Hollywood ever again, he's probably going to lose WB at least $200 to $300 million to own the chuds, I don't think the chuds are the ones being owned here

Holy shit, there it is indeed. Dude tanked his career and a $200 million project in an attempt to own the chuds. This is so on the nose I’d almost argue it’s a fake… What a time to be alive lol.

 

[SJRB]

I think Warner Bros has a lot of thinking to do about whether they want to be a financially solvent, non-bankrupt company or whether they want to die on this hill of a political agenda. Because they are trying to be the Ubisoft of mainstream media companies right now

Also I don't know why Todd Phillips should ever direct a movie in Hollywood ever again, he's probably going to lose WB at least $200 to $300 million to own the chuds, I don't think the chuds are the ones being owned here

There's no way this is a real quote.

What's the source for this article screenshot?

 

[Majormaxxx]

Gamers ruined another franchise

 

[Majormaxxx]

Holy shit, there it is indeed. Dude tanked his career and a $200 million project in an attempt to own the chuds. This is so on the nose I’d almost argue it’s a fake… What a time to be alive lol.

This f***er wrote/directed the Hangover movies lol. He is one to talk.