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Leak details 16 core AMD Zen
- Thread starter LordOfChaos
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OmegaDL50
Member
This sounds way too good to be true and I will take it with a grain of salt.
Something like this however wouldn't have much practical use in a gaming PC (no current game available would even take full advantage of it and would be the equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel, but in this case the gun is a cannon.
I would realistically think this thing is more for server usage, or high end graphical development and design, similar of the workstation graphics chips along the lines of the Nvidia Quadro or the Radeon Firepro series...however in this case THIS being an APU.
Something like this however wouldn't have much practical use in a gaming PC (no current game available would even take full advantage of it and would be the equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel, but in this case the gun is a cannon.
I would realistically think this thing is more for server usage, or high end graphical development and design, similar of the workstation graphics chips along the lines of the Nvidia Quadro or the Radeon Firepro series...however in this case THIS being an APU.
Apoleptica
Banned
So you're saying this new gpu wouldn't have practical use because it's too powerful for current games? How is that a bad thing?
Objectively Bad Opinion
Member
16 cores, ECC? This sounds like an HPC/Server SoC more than something this forum would be interested in.
OnionPowder
Member
AMD using hyperthreading? Isn't that new?
Edit: ^^^^^ Apparently rumored for Zen. New to me as well.
32 threads won't do much if games can't use more than 4 effectively.
32 threads won't do much if games can't use more than 4 effectively.
OmegaDL50
Member
I say more in the example of having a very high end graphical setup. Like having Tri or Quad SLI GTX 980's and only running it in 1080p with Vsync. Basically having all of this power at your disposal and not ever realistically getting a full advantage out of it.
Also this isn't a desktop graphics card. It's a server processor with build-in graphics functions, an APU. Read the linked article please.
This APU does not seem to be intended for basic desktop / gaming PC usage, but much more so for server management or graphic workstations.
This reason too.
LordOfChaos
Member
That's correct. However historically server parts from AMD have taken server features like ECC out and then been plopped right in the consumer sector.
AMD's take on Hyperthreading will be interesting, at any rate I'm glad they're rid of the Module concept and going for full bored cores.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Both AMD and Intel have had chips with lots of cores for server applications awhile now.
SliChillax
Member
Finally something more powerful than a i5 2500K!!
Not to sound like a fanboy but didn't people say the same thing before Bulldozer came out with 8 cores?
Not even sure what type of chip I'm reading about here. Sounds crazy though.
It seems like the same story over and over again, but I think AMD has learned a lot in the past few years and all of their rumored tech sounds pretty amazing. I'm excited for whenever their next conference is.
It seems like the same story over and over again, but I think AMD has learned a lot in the past few years and all of their rumored tech sounds pretty amazing. I'm excited for whenever their next conference is.
Duxxy3
Member
Finally something more powerful than a i5 2500K!!
Whoa, hey now... let's wait until the benchmarks.
Many new games can use more than 4 threads effectively.
AC: Unity, for example, can use all 16 threads on an i7 5960x and almost double the frames vs. an i7 4970k (assuming no GPU bottleneck).
LordOfChaos
Member
In what way? It's nearly a ground-up redesign over Bulldozer. Gone are the modules and several other defining features of Bulldozer.
Others have already answered you, but here's another example:
Same reason why most normal gamers buy i5 instead of i7
i7 is mostly pointless for strictly gaming, so there's no reason to pay the higher price
Noice. Now, that's such an overpowered monster, it has to be some sort of specialised server or computing part.
/random thought: One of these days I'm gonna buy me an ECC'd rig. Just because. I'm always distrustful of my RAM, no matter how much it cost or which brand is attached to it. Much better if you can verify that stuff.
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/random thought: One of these days I'm gonna buy me an ECC'd rig. Just because. I'm always distrustful of my RAM, no matter how much it cost or which brand is attached to it. Much better if you can verify that stuff.
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In terms of expectations and the "more cores ahoy" approach.
Not the technology itself.
dragonelite
Member
so that stream processor is AMD counterpart to Xeon Phi what was it called
Larabee or knightcorner?
Larabee or knightcorner?
It should be added to the OP that this isn't for consumers and it sure as hell isn't for gaming. This is aimed more towards server use, and maybe super computers.
Consumer space don't need these kinds of core numbers. This is most likely from upcoming server CPU line.
That was in DX9/11 days which was singlecore friendly with poor scaling for other threads. Mantle/Vuklan/DX12 are fully multithreaded.
That was in DX9/11 days which was singlecore friendly with poor scaling for other threads. Mantle/Vuklan/DX12 are fully multithreaded.
michaelius
Banned
New 3D mark for DX12 doesn't scale beyond 6 cores so far so we will see.
Doesn't each specific game still have to be coded/optimized for all those extra cores?
Or those APIs completely do it automatically with no extra work from programmers now?
Mantle presentations showed equal scaling on 8 and 12 CPU threads.
Diablohead
Member
16 cores sounds like a wet dream for multitasking at full speed for me.
michaelius
Banned
Amd slides show a lot of things
McHuj
Member
It does seem like a good of a next-gen console APU. I wouldn't spend too much time on the details of this particular chip, but the important things, imo, are cpu cores that do some sort of hyper threading with L3 cache and HBM memory support.
My guess the next gen will look similar, but substitute some additional GPU cores for some of CPU cores and only HBM memory instead of both DDR4 and HBM.
My guess the next gen will look similar, but substitute some additional GPU cores for some of CPU cores and only HBM memory instead of both DDR4 and HBM.
NeOak
Member
I would have to sell my two kidneys to get a 2S with that
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Can't believe I'm the first to post this...
Nah. The FX chips do too. My 6300 has 6 logical cores, 3 physical.
Not to mention that games do more than render 3D. Having more physicla cores should improve performance of other CPU intensive tasks.
LordOfChaos
Member
More cores doesn't necessarily mean each one is small here. AMD has gone for really big dies that eat at their margins before...And since this is a server part, more cores ahoy is kind of par for the course.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Meh. I'll wait for some server benchmarks before getting excited.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Interested to see how this performs.
SerTapTap
Member
As someone who encodes a crapton of videos AND plays games (and makes said videos of games), this sounds awesome...I wonder if Handbrake/Vegas/etc can actually handle 16+ threads though...never had more than 8 for obvious reasons. If this is real it could be very interesting. Doesn't sound like a desktop chip but whatever it is is interesting.
Please be real
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
You should, actually. I too am replacing my ECC-less ram at home with ECC these days.
Larrabee was 1st gen 'we're taking over the GPUs!', KNC was 2nd gen 'ok, maybe not GPU, but how about GPGPU?', and KNL (knights landing) will hopefully be 'ok, this time we actually get GPGPU'. /fingers crossed
The obvious question here is for how much.
But what about the GPU with 16GB of stacked memory @ 512GB/s?