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[LegendOfKage]

First things first, let's respect the rules of the forum. Please do not attempt to use this thread to try to circumvent the no politics rule. From what I've observed from past Twitter news threads, it seems that allowable discussion topics include twitter itself, Musk's decision making as it relates to twitter, Twitter censorship before and after Musk, advertisers leaving twitter, etc. Topics to avoid would be posts that focus on political parties, specific politicians, Musk's political tweets, Musk's political activities, etc.

With all that said, I've known about the advertisers returning for a couple of days now, but I think suing Twitch is perhaps an even more interesting topic. Musk is accusing Twitch of coordinating with other companies to organize an advertiser boycott of the Twitter platform. If you consider Twitch and Twitter as internet platforms competing for screen time and advertiser dollars, that could be a pretty strong motivation for their actions.


Musk announcing the return of major advertisers:




And here's a quick overview of the situation with twitch:




Lastly, let me just say that I love the quote at the end of this video: "I don't want to have my speech regulated by international companies that use slave labor." Wow is that ever a perfect way to put it.

 

[kurisu_1974]

I'll continue to use neither and ridicule people who do, regardless of who advertises where or who sues who. Great content for the YouTube grifters though.

 

[Digital-Aftertaste]

Man had the opportunity to add "P.S. Disney, Go fuck yourself!"

 

[LegendOfKage]

I'll continue to use neither and ridicule people who do, regardless of who advertises where or who sues who. Great content for the YouTube grifters though.

"Grifter" is only true if the person in question doesn't believe what they're saying. I think just about everyone believes what they're saying to some degree or another, as most people would rather tell themselves that they're a good and noble person, rather than live with the idea that they're a conniving person pretending to care about things they don't really believe in. I think that's just human nature, which is why I think grifter is one of the most overused and frequently inaccurate words used to describe people.

 

[kurisu_1974]

"Grifter" is only true if the person in question doesn't believe what they're saying. I think just about everyone believes what they're saying to some degree or another, as most people would rather tell themselves that they're a good and noble person, rather than live with the idea that they're a conniving person pretending to care about things they don't really believe in. I think that's just human nature, which is why I think grifter is one of the most overused and frequently inaccurate words used to describe people.

But not when we are talking about YouTube commenters, like Asmon and the gaggle of endless comment channels... even if they believe to a certain extent what they are saying, they are making it their job to spread videos about these themes because it gives them easy clicks. That is a grift in my book. And I'm not saying they shouldn't because if there is a public for that shit, all the power to them I guess.

 

[rm082e]

Preface: I hate all politics and do my best to ignore it completely (outside of voting based on my principles). I'm a registered Independent and I have never had any social media accounts on any platform. I don't have a dog in an of these fights.

Reading over some of the details in this article, this sure looks like Elon trying to blow this up into a bigger thing than it is and take a victory lap over it. It doesn't look like the companies who had paused their ad buys are coming back at anywhere near the same rate, and they aren't responding to requests for comment so there isn't any reason to believe they will be progressively increasing their ad spending on the platform going forward. It might happen, or it might not. It's too early to tell.

I don't know how much truth there is to the claims, but I've seen several articles claiming there's an exodus of users from Twitter and an influx at Blue Sky and Threads. It remains to be seen if that's a trend that will carry momentum, but among the ecosphere of people I pay some attention to, I've heard more mentions of Blue Sky and Threads over the last few months and less uses of the word "Twitter". If this does turn out to be a trend that grows over time, getting a little ad money back on a platform that has real users leaving doesn't seem like a win in the long term. I'm sure Elon will just replace those people with more bots and claim everything is great.

Ultimately, it doesn't really matter. Elon is all-in on the ideology and culture war now, so he'll spend whatever he has to in order to keep Twitter alive. All the ad money could vanish tomorrow and he'll keep it afloat. And that's fine - he bought the place so he can do whatever he wants with it. This is all "working as intended" as far as I'm concerned.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

I found it funny that capitalism is supposed to be free of choice, so companies can decide where they place their money, but now you can be sued because they decided to not advertise on "X" platform.

To be honest, Elon is a POS, why? because he says freedom of speech but blocks anything he does not like, becoming exactly what is not freedom of speech.

 

[daffyduck]

Next on Netflix?

 

[dorkimoe]

I found it funny that capitalism is supposed to be free of choice, so companies can decide where they place their money, but now you can be sued because they decided to not advertise on "X" platform.

To be honest, Elon is a POS, why? because he says freedom of speech but blocks anything he does not like, becoming exactly what is not freedom of speech.

Bingo. I cannot believe you can sue someone for not advertising on your platform. I’m gonna go build a platform and start suing

 

[Rentahamster]

"Grifter" is only true if the person in question doesn't believe what they're saying. I think just about everyone believes what they're saying to some degree or another, as most people would rather tell themselves that they're a good and noble person, rather than live with the idea that they're a conniving person pretending to care about things they don't really believe in. I think that's just human nature, which is why I think grifter is one of the most overused and frequently inaccurate words used to describe people.

It's easy to believe in something when that belief generates money.

 

[AJUMP23]

Elections have Consequences.

 

[bitbydeath]

but now you can be sued because they decided to not advertise on "X" platform.

That’s not what’s going on though?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Oh man, some of the takes in the thread of them boycotting after Elon made the purchase are quite the doozy when you fast forward to today.

"Grifter" is only true if the person in question doesn't believe what they're saying. I think just about everyone believes what they're saying to some degree or another, as most people would rather tell themselves that they're a good and noble person, rather than live with the idea that they're a conniving person pretending to care about things they don't really believe in. I think that's just human nature, which is why I think grifter is one of the most overused and frequently inaccurate words used to describe people.

I don't believe anyone on The View for example, truly believes the utter tripe that comes out of their mouths on the daily.

 

[Sonik]

I found it funny that capitalism is supposed to be free of choice, so companies can decide where they place their money, but now you can be sued because they decided to not advertise on "X" platform.

To be honest, Elon is a POS, why? because he says freedom of speech but blocks anything he does not like, becoming exactly what is not freedom of speech.

Powerful corporations creating cartels in order to either oust certain companies/competition out of the market or enforce certain political ideologies through what is pretty much blackmail is illegal, you're deliberately framing the matter in an misleading way to push a narrative

 

[FunkMiller]

Trying to avoid politics in any Elon Musk thread from now on.

His direct involvement in the new administration makes it pretty much impossible to have a comprehensive discussion about what may happen with these cases, or with how he manages and runs Twitter, give the influence he can now exert.

 

[LegendOfKage]

To be honest, Elon is a POS, why? because he says freedom of speech but blocks anything he does not like, becoming exactly what is not freedom of speech.

I've been watching Musk fairly closely when it comes to his freedom of speech commitments, and this just isn't true. I've even seen posts Musk has retweeted getting community noted in his own feed. I believe it's possible you're just saying what you've heard elsewhere, rather than what you've personally observed.

I know there was a journalist who was temporarily suspended because he posted personal contact details and identity information in a leaked document that he could have easily redacted before publishing. I think it's more than an exaggeration to refer to that as "anything he does not like." There are millions of posts reflecting opinions and viewpoints that Musk would not agree with on twitter right now.

I do think Musk is doing a fairly poor job with certain aspects of twitter, but he's been pretty consistent when it comes to speech.

I found it funny that capitalism is supposed to be free of choice, so companies can decide where they place their money, but now you can be sued because they decided to not advertise on "X" platform.

Bingo. I cannot believe you can sue someone for not advertising on your platform. I’m gonna go build a platform and start suing

You can choose to not advertise on a platform. That's not what this is about. You can't go and help coordinate an advertiser boycott of your competition. That's what this is about.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

Imagine being a lawyer for Elon. The amount of times he gets sued or sues someone is just free money.

 

[YCoCg]

Elections have Consequences.

And with four years of Elon sticking to Trump like glue he can do whatever the fuck he wants. He's trolling the world on max mode, his ketamin dealer is set for life.

 

[DeepEnigma]

And with four years of Elon sticking to Trump like glue he can do whatever the fuck he wants. He's trolling the world on max mode, his ketamin dealer is set for life.

They would be big pharma. And they too have been put on blast.

Cause the world the past 8+ years has totes not been a clown show and oh so qualified and professional other than Elon. Elon is the issue.

 

[YCoCg]

They would be big pharma. And they too have been put on blast.

Cause the world the past 8+ years has totes not been a clown show and oh so qualified and professional other than Elon. Elon is the issue.

*snorts a line*

Hmmm

Concerning

 

[DeepEnigma]

*snorts a line*

Hmmm

Concerning

He’ll fit right in at Washington.

 

[Kacho]

Good. Fuck those companies for colluding for very obvious reasons.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Good. Fuck those companies for colluding for very obvious reasons.

His cringe makes me laugh but you know behind it all he’s dead serious.

 

[PandaOk]

This is broadly speaking this is a distortion or what’s happening. Not that the stupid ketamine addict understands the difference.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

I've been watching Musk fairly closely when it comes to his freedom of speech commitments, and this just isn't true. I've even seen posts Musk has retweeted getting community noted in his own feed. I believe it's possible you're just saying what you've heard elsewhere, rather than what you've personally observed.

I know there was a journalist who was temporarily suspended because he posted personal contact details and identity information in a leaked document that he could have easily redacted before publishing. I think it's more than an exaggeration to refer to that as "anything he does not like." There are millions of posts reflecting opinions and viewpoints that Musk would not agree with on twitter right now.

I do think Musk is doing a fairly poor job with certain aspects of twitter, but he's been pretty consistent when it comes to speech.




You can choose to not advertise on a platform. That's not what this is about. You can't go and help coordinate an advertiser boycott of your competition. That's what this is about.

I understand this may not be fully related to this but:

'It's war': Elon Musk's X sues companies for not advertising on its platform

The social media network, formerly known as Twitter, claims firms unlawfully conspired to boycott the site, causing it to miss out on "billions of dollars" in revenue.

news.sky.com

This is a dangerous precedent for anyone. Much like Disney and its TOS, "you cannot sue if you accept our TOS for Disney+" everything goes to arbitration.