Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
sounds like you're volunteering to bring the comeuppance in a year or two if that stuff hasn't happened
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Media Create Sales: Week 12, 2014 (Mar 17 - Mar 23)
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sounds like you're volunteering to bring the comeuppance in a year or two if that stuff hasn't happened
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
haha oh shit
edit: he said there was supposed to be a KH game that's not 3 on PS4 this year, I wonder if that will actually pan out.
Kingdom Hearts FullHD 1.75 ReReMIX
I fully expect a KH 2.99 HD Final Remix Ultimate Edition on the ps4 before KH3 hits. It'll include KH 1.5 and 2.5 remasters and if we're lucky DDD.
If there's a redesign, beside the obvious tweaks I think it would come with a spin, like a nfc 3DS to take advantage of, let's say, the hability to quickly transfer datas between the SSB Wii U and 3DS versions, using characters physical cards (same roster). It could also come with a fully focused nfc cards game/app, new IP or Pokemon or other strong ip. I don't know how it would split the userbase but Nintendo could manage it with some sort of cheap nfc addon/peripheral for the old models. Just a fun speculative idea.
Graphics Horse
Member
It's certainly due for an update soon, they've brought out a system with new capabilities every 3-4 years ever since Pokemon rejuvenated the Gameboy. I don't see that stopping just because they plan to bring out a Dr. Luigi branded Nintendo stool sampling internet toilet in the same year.
I'm not saying they'll bring out a new platform or 3DSi by early 2015, but if they don't, it'll be the longest gap since Game Boy -> Game Boy Color.
I'm not saying they'll bring out a new platform or 3DSi by early 2015, but if they don't, it'll be the longest gap since Game Boy -> Game Boy Color.
Ah, how I adore your cantankerous demeanour.
Given that I couldn't give the slightest shit about the Dragon Quest franchise (and therefore know very little about it), you're probably correct that it wouldn't sell systems. I was just going off what I'd heard on this board, which is that Japanese gamers go wherever DQ goes.
Not until I get my FFVI first ;_;
The opposite actually. DQ goes to the system with the highest install base years after its been decided which was the 'generation leader'. Taken from the wikipedia entry for DQ.
The only DQ that released during a launch year was DQX and that was a multi-platform MMO that sold better on the Wii.
Monster Hunter 4 and Pokemon won't move a lot of hardware anymore. The fanbase is already there. For DQ there will be a bigger increase since there is only been remakes and spin-off. Not-so-hardcore DQ fans could be waiting for a mainline entry.
SSB3D + Price cut could work well for Holiday 2014.
I think a price cut will work better than the 2DS in Japan. About a redesign, I don't know if there is really some feature that could drive a lot of sales. Somebody here talked about adding some of the "unified ecosystem" features and that could work decently...
The problem isn't "big numbers", it's mindshare and market share erosion.
Stagnant platforms tend to lose support long term from both consumers and developers. If you need evidence of this, look at what's happening to the Vita and Wii U, and how the PS4 is now joining them.
Will the 4DS lose as much support? I would say no as it's the only platform left, but each drop continues to be painful.
If we compare the breadth of large software the system had announced in its first year to now, and then to the DS and PSP as well, we see quite a few major publishers condensing down to a much smaller, safer lineup as they use their other resources to chase the booming mobile industry (Square, Capcom, and Konami to just name three). This isn't good for a platform's long term health. That was true for the PS3 as it lost a variety of mid tier games, true for the PSP as it collapsed in the West, true for the Wii as third parties abandoned it worldwide, and will be true for the 3DS, which we can see by just looking at how it's selling right now.
The idea of an early 4DS lies upon the assumption that Nintendo can create something more appealing to both consumers and developers than the 3DS. If that's not true, then you're right, they're largely intractably fucked and it doesn't really matter when they launch so they might as well quadruple down on QoL and hope it gives them something resembling a strong revenue stream, though that feels like quite the longshot itself.
SwiftDeath
Member
It's been something like 11 years since the Gameboy Advance SP was released. That's 11 years worth of kids not familiar with the brand name that is Gameboy
I'm not convinced they would go back to it. Maybe though
nintendos investing too much in the female demographic to make the return to the gameboy branding even remotely likely. I think they'll brand there next handheld and console in a way that plays up there connectivity.
I can't see Gameboy XXX being the name of their next portable because they have a large female audience these days (unlike back in the late 80s when the name was first used) and Gameboy is too masculine. You need something more gender neutral to appeal to a wider audience.
Edit: beaten by the poster above.
Edit: beaten by the poster above.
I don't think the 3DS' successor needs to come out so soon if the software situation is strong enough. There's also two opportunities for growth that they still have.
First, the Nintendo could attempt to encroach on its' opponent's space, which I guess it's starting to try with F2P and IAP. That Pokemon puzzle game also looked like Puzzle and Dragons to me, but I'm not familiar. There are certain types of games that are still more dominant on the Vita; Nintendo could try to secure those..
Second, as was noted earlier, they've done very little in terms of new IPs on the retail front this gen. Reviving dormant IPs is also an option. Whenever this discussion comes up we see this lists of "what IPs does Nintendo have left?" but they shouldn't be restricted to that, especially since new IPs were what put them in a strong position with the Wii/DS.
Iwata will just get Itoi on the horn and ask him for a new name.
First, the Nintendo could attempt to encroach on its' opponent's space, which I guess it's starting to try with F2P and IAP. That Pokemon puzzle game also looked like Puzzle and Dragons to me, but I'm not familiar. There are certain types of games that are still more dominant on the Vita; Nintendo could try to secure those..
Second, as was noted earlier, they've done very little in terms of new IPs on the retail front this gen. Reviving dormant IPs is also an option. Whenever this discussion comes up we see this lists of "what IPs does Nintendo have left?" but they shouldn't be restricted to that, especially since new IPs were what put them in a strong position with the Wii/DS.
Iwata will just get Itoi on the horn and ask him for a new name.
PotionBleue
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It's the sequel to Pokémon Trozei, a DS game that came out in 2006, not something in reaction to Puzzle & Dragons or whatever F2P app
Graphics Horse
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What if they called it a ToyBoy?
I'm going to need some citations to be convinced that females are repelled by products with boy in the title.
They should call it BoyToy that'll surely get the ladies excited, but seriously its common sense to make a mass market device gender neutral.
I think the DS brand is done after this gen and going back to the brand name "Gameboy" doesn't seem like a good idea nowadays. It would be interesting to see Nintendo make a new brand that encompasses all of their future HW.
Graphics Horse
Member
I guess Nintendo will have some research showing if female players avoid Game Boy virtual handheld titles or not.
KillerMan91
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Even though this thread is about Japanese sales it's the western sales Nintendo should be more worried about. All heavy hitters out and the 3DS already dipped under 100k during january in US (for example X360 went under 100k first time last year...). It's falling behind PSPs pace soon and frankly I really don't see how they can spur the sales again after all those heavy hitters and 2DS. They can't wait for late 2016 in west.
I honestly don't get why 3DS hardware sales nosediving in Japan is so worrying. We're slowly getting to the point where almost anyone interested in gaming will already own a 3DS. It's only natural that hardware sales decline. As long as the 3DS dominates the software charts I don't see hardware decline as a problem. We should start worrying when software sales start declining.
Of course, the west is a whole 'nother issue lol. That's where we should be worrying.
Anyone have a list of the best selling consoles in Japan? I wanna know where 3DS ranks.
Of course, the west is a whole 'nother issue lol. That's where we should be worrying.
Anyone have a list of the best selling consoles in Japan? I wanna know where 3DS ranks.
Probably just people comparing it to DS sales and not taking the mobile gaming factor into account.
Nintendo will probably call it 'WiiS'
if everyone interested in handhelds has bought the 3ds thats a huge issue since it means japans handheld market, one of nintendos best markets, has shrunk considerably and will probably continue to shrink.
edit: also even though 3ds software dominates the chart, it doesn't mean its particularly healthy.
i think 2016 or 2015 would be the best time to release a new handheld, but i think nintendo should not try to rush one, unless they have something new and appealing they'll just end up in a worse position, just like the wii u.
Sammy Samusu
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[PSV] Miku F - 267pt [158.009]
[PSV] Miku F 2nd - 231pt
[PS3] Miku F - 268pt [113.722]
[PS3] Miku F 2nd - 163pt
[3DS] New Love Plus - 114pt [110.394]
[3DS] New Love Plus + - 24pt
Youkai Watch (46pt) back in the Top 20.
[PSV] Miku F 2nd - 231pt
[PS3] Miku F - 268pt [113.722]
[PS3] Miku F 2nd - 163pt
[3DS] New Love Plus - 114pt [110.394]
[3DS] New Love Plus + - 24pt
Youkai Watch (46pt) back in the Top 20.
pieatorium
Member
its 18th on tsutaya
Sammy Samusu
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metalslimer
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This kind of reactive attitude is exactly the thing Nintendo should avoid. The 3DS dominates the software charts, but there is also a lot of software being shifted primarily to mobile devices. Of course, I'm not sure at all what Nintendo can realistically do in order to try and attract more software to their handhelds besides just making them even easier to develop for which what I suspect the next handheld will be focused on. I worry that Nintendo will try too hard to come up with some gimmick so that sales can take off in the west again.
OK. My thought process was that the handheld situation was just going to get worse with every iteration, especially since mobile is still on the rise. A successor would probably get support, but it might decline faster than the 3DS and third parties would drop it faster too. Releasing a successor quick seems like a short term solution that may get more and more diluted.
I'm not really sure if Nintendo (or anyone) can create something that can really compete. The 3DS isn't doing GREAT, but it's holding its own for now, so I'd probably stretch it out. Of course by the end of this year or sometime next year things start looking grim...then they don't really have a choice but to release a successor and see how it does.
Also, I wouldn't lump PS4 with Wii U and Vita yet. The PS3 probably had more notable announcements in the same time, but I'd wait a bit, especially when some devs are still releasing on PS3. At least not everything is going to mobile or something.
Also, nice tag
Nintendo definitely needs to try hard to create a gimmick, or else they'll be left with a standard handheld that less and less people care about.
I'm curious to see whether Yokai Watch comes to the US given its popularity in Japan.
There will obviously need to be some of a gimmick but things like fixing up their account system, adding support to more engines like Unity and making it easy to port over mobile games will go a long way especially when combined with Nintendo's own SW which still dominates in Japan. Also, if the Vita doesn't get a successor they would have a good opportunity of getting a few more companies/franchise under their belt at some point.
There will obviously need to be some of a gimmick but things like fixing up their account system, adding support to more engines like Unity and making it easy to port over mobile games will go a long way especially when combined with Nintendo's own SW which still dominates in Japan. Also, if the Vita doesn't get a successor they would have a good opportunity of getting a few more companies/franchise under their belt at some point.
ya that goes without saying, but if they want that mass market cheddar, then gimmicks are better.
I think both are required, but the gimmick(s) of a device are pretty hard to predict so we'll have to wait and see on that one.
metalslimer
Member
We're past the point where you can expect to release a dedicated piece of hardware with a gimmick, and not have that same selling point be in another device a few months later. The mobile technology world moves too fast for that now. Of course, as long as it doesn't signficiantly raise the price of the machine or harm its other functionality than they should do whatever they want.
Yeah, I will admit it's definitely a gamble. The one issue I have with wait-and-see approaches is that usually a new console/handheld has at least a 24 month lead-in time if it's to get enough content, so if a company decides to start as soon as things go really south, they have to wait in two more years of pain in order to get out on time.
Generally speaking I think companies would almost always be better off launching a year early than a year late, since it leaves less down time for their consumers to go out and find someone else to use instead.
But again, as you said, if they can't support it properly, then all they've done is move themselves to a smaller customer base. They would basically have to reach out to all the third parties that still support them and make something they would really like in exchange for agreements to launch notable software at or near launch.
Like Microsoft and Sony managed to line up just about every major Western publisher for launch of the PS4 and Xbox One and it worked wonders for them. With Sony having failed to do that in Japan, we can see the it working wonders in the other direction.
Ultimately the question becomes if Nintendo thinks they can rally both their own developers and their biggest third parties around their platform to push against the trend or if it's better to ride out the business for as long as it lasts and look for new directions for the future. It's probably not an easy choice.
I do think the PS4 has a better shot than the other two on the basis of it being "the one console" in the same sense that the 3DS is "the one handheld", but overall I would say I'm still expecting double digit LTD declines from the PS3.Also, I wouldn't lump PS4 with Wii U and Vita yet. The PS3 probably had more notable announcements in the same time, but I'd wait a bit, especially when some devs are still releasing on PS3. At least not everything is going to mobile or something.
Also, nice tag
I could be wrong on that front and it admittedly is early, but being bearish so far this generation has worked out.
It will be fascinating to see where N goes from here wrt their hardware.
My guess is that they will be going after that wii/ds gimmick money with the qol platform. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the next hanheld + console have no gimmicks at all. QoL on the other hand, is going to have all sorts of crazy.
That's kinda unavoidable unless Nintendo were to start refreshing their products at the same rate as phones or something.
Gimmicks give consumers a reason to buy your product over the consumer so there has to be something, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was OS related this time around.
cardinalmind
Member
This might be a parrot question but how bad was the earlier Love Plus game?
Oh and GO Miku!
Oh and GO Miku!
The last game had glitches that made the game unplayable and that seemingly "killed" the series.
Possibly. I cannot think of any Japanese company that leads when it comes to backend software innovation and satisfying front end UI stuff. Their industry seems to be based on 'make hardware, then software', not the other way around.
But then again, Nintendo is not typical and they do have a deep talent pool.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Bwahahahahaha at those Love Plus sales.
Yesssssssssss its about time that pathetic series died.
Yesssssssssss its about time that pathetic series died.