Zekra Dezivad
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I think Neptunia is decent too
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Media Create Sales: Week 17, 2015 (Apr 20 - Apr 26)
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I think Neptunia is decent too
Acquiescence
Member
I guess the Square Enix executives played the whole game and foresaw what would happen then.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Yeah but considering it's the sole "healthy" console in Japan and pretty much still is the Japanese console industry, and last generation had 2 consoles in the 20 million range, you'd estimate the console to be tracking a bit closer to last year on the run up to golden week, hence why I said not healthy and this is after a revision late last year.
Chû Totoro
Member
Ok thanks. Can't see the tweets' details.
Last year had the Theatrhythm special edition. That's why, while being up YOY in the past few weeks, it's down this week compared to 2014's corresponding one.
Eolz
Member
I'm sure it'll hit 20 in the end. But probably after NX is out though...
No, well, while I was expecting a bit more, it's still a decent result for Neptunia, indeed.
Now that I think about it, I wonder how different things will be in Media Create charts.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Xenoblade X is gonna tank isn't it?
Expecting 60-80k.
whats tanking?
You have to understand its a jrpg on the WiiU. 150-200k (hopefully the latter) LTD.
KillerMan91
Member
3DS sold around 3.2 million last year. Even with healthy decline it should hit 20 million this year or at the latest early next year.
Kresnik258
Member
Ha. At least Bravely Second is better than I was expecting based on the retailer showing. Quite a poor result though, disappointing.
Also disappointing for Neptunia. Sold as much as as the first spinoff on Vita did at a similar (ish) point in its life:
105 PSV Hyperdimension Neptunia: Producing Perfection 23,394 / 26,441
Won't have legs either.
On the plus side, it gave PS4 a nice boost.
Umihara Kawase port is pretty poor too, sadly.
At least Tropico did "well". I use that term relatively because it's still poor numbers, but:
242 360 Tropico 3 4,430 / 9,644 Russel 2010-05-20
Better than it ever performed on 360.
Also disappointing for Neptunia. Sold as much as as the first spinoff on Vita did at a similar (ish) point in its life:
105 PSV Hyperdimension Neptunia: Producing Perfection 23,394 / 26,441
Won't have legs either.
On the plus side, it gave PS4 a nice boost.
Umihara Kawase port is pretty poor too, sadly.
At least Tropico did "well". I use that term relatively because it's still poor numbers, but:
242 360 Tropico 3 4,430 / 9,644 Russel 2010-05-20
Better than it ever performed on 360.
What kind of math are these. It will top 20m maybe from this year.
LordOcidax
Member
Expecting 70-80k for XenobladeX next week.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
That makes sense, without something like that yoy comparison was very odd.
Eolz
Member
GhostTrick
Banned
No, not really. I guess Square Enix is just being Square Enix as usual: going straigth for the wall.
mickagau33
Member
Ugh, low numbers for Bravely Second, I was expecting more. But it's obvious Asano is struggling with budget constraint to create a classic jrpg series so I guess SE has not much faith in the IP...
Sorry that i didn't knew how much it sold last year. I was just asking
Thanks for the Answer, i was hoping it would still hit 20M, but i kinda lost hope for that.
For all we know Nintendo shipped 100k for Xenoblade 3D. X first shipment should at least match that number.
Moor-Angol
Banned
most shops, even the smaller ones, have some promotion stuff, like rolling video or fliers, probably because it's a SCEJ product and they put some money in advertising the game
and it's indicative that even it already sold 200k by digital, the retail version is showing really good legs
For Bravely Second I think it was less the back half of the game and more that the sequel looked generally unexciting. When people see a sequel that really impresses them, they go out and buy it. Just look at how Fire Emblem: Awakening did.
They're pretty much getting the crowd that was up for more Bravely Default without necessarily knowing if it would be better (or even up to par).
While I wouldn't be surprised if it had less marketing, I feel that's not the driving factor. If there was some bowl over amazing sequel here, it would do a lot of the retention selling on its own due to the existing fanbase and awareness. I'd be really surprised if the people who bought the first game didn't know the sequel existed given it's a niche game.
As an aside, looking at the upcoming weeks, I'm expecting the PS4 to go comatose soon.
They're pretty much getting the crowd that was up for more Bravely Default without necessarily knowing if it would be better (or even up to par).
While I wouldn't be surprised if it had less marketing, I feel that's not the driving factor. If there was some bowl over amazing sequel here, it would do a lot of the retention selling on its own due to the existing fanbase and awareness. I'd be really surprised if the people who bought the first game didn't know the sequel existed given it's a niche game.
As an aside, looking at the upcoming weeks, I'm expecting the PS4 to go comatose soon.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Bravely Default sold 141k in its first week.
LOL!, 120k at most.
But Chris said it would drop below 10k! D: My predictions are off now!
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Given how conservative of a sequel Bravely Second appears to be, only losing about 1/3rd of the sales of the first game is a pretty good outcome.
GhostTrick
Banned
The driving factor is everything was lower budget.
Marketing was lesser... considering BD had nearly no marketing.
How can a publisher expect growth for a title that had no marketing and sold in spite of them ?
BD sold nearly a million WW and 300k in Japan. Instead of giving it a bigger budget, they did the opposite: smaller budget.
Wow I didn't know this, Square Enix gonna Square Enix I suppose. Shame too.
test_account
XP-39C²
What was the budget for Bravely Default and Bravely Second?
Seeing Tropico's sales got me thinking a bit.
I'm not really familiar sims of that nature from Japanese developers; heavy on building a community or industry of some description. There's The Tower in its various forms, and A-Train, and beyond that, I'm struggling to think of any.
Are there any high-profile ones I'm not aware of? Or indeed something obvious I've missed?
I'm not really familiar sims of that nature from Japanese developers; heavy on building a community or industry of some description. There's The Tower in its various forms, and A-Train, and beyond that, I'm struggling to think of any.
Are there any high-profile ones I'm not aware of? Or indeed something obvious I've missed?
GhostTrick
Banned
Hahaha, don't quote me on that ! I'm making assumptions, considering the developpement time, the fact that they had to wait for BS to be greenlighted and the reuse of assets/lower marketing.
Probably low and lower.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
Tanking is anything that jeopardises future releases by the studio due to their previous projects underperforming. Given the market conditions of Japan, 150-200k is in line with other releases on the console but that still doesn't mean that this individual project can create profit or even break-even.
It's kind of a pointless thing to bring up anyway since they don't make budgets public knowledge and Nintendo may be writing off these titles considering the Wii-U's performance til now.
Firestorm ZERO
Member
Here's Umihara Kawase differences since I looked it up.
Still waiting for my copy to arrive though.
Still waiting for my copy to arrive though.
Pennywise83
Banned
I am wondering why you keep asking this type of questions when you obviously know that no one knows the budget of these games (people already discussed this with you many times). The budget could be inferred by signals sent by the software house, though; for example, early impressions said that many assets were recycled from the first game (towns, dungeons, characters, and so on), and therefore an obvious conclusion was that the budget was not that high; also, SQEX did not do much to promote the game, also signalling a low effort in marketing.
For the Sequel was not really an expansion, but more a revised version. If I remember correctly, there were no new contents such as Origina Island in Fantasy Life Link.
test_account
XP-39C²
The interesting question is why. Maybe these kinds of games/franchises aren't worth investing in long-term. Does SE plan on making new content for traditional handheld hardware post 3DS?
IMO, the best strat would be to make phone games and port some of the less exploitative ones to handheld going forward, unless you are Nintendo or Capcom.
test_account
XP-39C²
I'm asking because it was explicitly mentioned in this case that the budget was lower. It was written like an statement, not as an opinion, thats why i'm asking. They might not know the exact amount, but specific things about a budget (like that it was lower compared to another game) might be mentioned in an interview or something. After all, every game is an unique case, so info might variate from game to game, so you might see me asking that several of times. If its based just on a guess based on different factors, fair enough, then thats the answer to my question. If i'm asking "how much was the budget?" or "how do you know that its lower?", i would probably recieve the aproximately same answer anyway
Eolz
Member
Thanks for the comparison!
Publishers rarely give precise budgets, but interviews always stated that this was made because the budget was pretty low, and you can see that it wasn't better for BS. Maybe on par.
GhostTrick
Banned
test_account
XP-39C²
Fair enough. Also interesting to know that it was mentioned in an interview, that is one reason why i asked. Do you know exactly what was mentioned?
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Nobody knows exactly how much Bravely Default & Bravely Second cost other than the publisher. However, just looking at Bravely Default, you can tell it was done on the cheap:
Simple town & dungeon maps
Few cinematics
Extensive reuse of content in the latter parts of the game.
Bravely Second reuses a lot of assets and locations from the previous game so it can't have been too expensive either.
Simple town & dungeon maps
Few cinematics
Extensive reuse of content in the latter parts of the game.
Bravely Second reuses a lot of assets and locations from the previous game so it can't have been too expensive either.
GhostTrick
Banned
Not every publisher makes sense.
Why would you give less budget and less marketing for a new IP that could see growth ?
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
Why is X1 selling so much compared to usual, price drop?