BishopLamont
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Thats why I said worldwide. But yes I didn't see him say US, I figured from what you were saying.
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Media Create Sales: Week 18, 2013 (Apr 29 - May 05)
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BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Has there been any rumors about phantasy star portable 3 yet? Sega is releasing 5 vita games right? I'm hoping portable 3 is one of those games.
I think the biggest problem with NSMBU is the fact that nothing else has really come out rather than the game itself not being popular enough.
In terms of Japan I think they could have a pretty good holiday without having to drop the price if they get certain key games out.
metalslimer
Member
Nintendo knew what they had back in October when they kept their prediction for the Wii U going into the holidays. They relied on NSMBU to sell the system and it didn' thave nearly the impact they wanted. I think we can say it wasn't as popular as they wanted even at launch
BishopLamont
Banned
The launch software is not what they said it would be, whether they knew before hand or not is up in the air. I am leaning more towards them knowing but that they couldn't do much about it, and they just soldiered on normally to the rest of the world.
Fuck third party on Nintendo, the day Nintendo sort out their first party to release more consistently on home consoles would be a glorious day.
NSMBU was supposed to be their big launch title, but they obviously expected their launch window games to come out on time back then.
Sammy Samusu
Member
I only agree with the 3DS/Pokemon argument.
3DS sold 2.4M in Nov/Dec 2011 thanks to Mario 3D and Mario Kart. It's not impossible for Nintendo to ship 3M Wii U this holiday season. Aren't consoles supposed to be bigger here in the west?
And I'm not saying they will met the 9M target.
shinra-bansho
Member
Fixed.
And that's without mentioning the numerous differences in the handheld and home console spaces.
Quietly resigning the Wii U to be home to the next major installments of their console franchises and maybe trying to carve out a soft spot in the heart of indie developers, in the short term if not also the long-term, while trying to make 3DS as important as possible to the success of the company. With the discussions from the last FY meeting with grandjedi6 and Dalthien's previous discussions on the Wii U, Nintendo crawling into their protective shell of "survive, survive, survive" seems like the most likely outcome here barring some unforeseen twist like PS4 being as soundly rejected by the market at its price/games as Wii U is being soundly rejected at its price/games. On the profit forecast, 100B Yen is completely possible with a GBA-like 3DS annual result and Wii U not causing much loss. The Wii/DS years saw multiples of that level of profit, while 100B isn't much beyond what was seen in the GCN/GBA years with PS2 dominating everything. No PS2 this time around in the dedicated video game console space, which leaves much more upside over those GCN/GBA years.
Not what many Nintendo supporters hoped for coming off of Wii and DS, but it should have the corporate result of survival that Nintendo has lasted ~125 years with.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
3DS did not have the fierce competition of two next gen consoles. For the nth time, Nintendo has always reigned the handheld space but the console space is far more competitive.
You also forgot one of the biggest reasons for the 3DS doing such numbers: price drop.
The iPad is the fiercest competition for handhelds.
MichaelCorleone
Banned
Damn the Japanese have as terrible taste in games these days as the Americans do in music & tv shows.
In the 90's & early 00's awesome games lit up Japan's chart now they just buy bullshit....
In the 90's & early 00's awesome games lit up Japan's chart now they just buy bullshit....
electroplankton
Banned
I don't think it's true.
Are we looking at the same chart?
He is either mad that Nintendo 3DS and its software are selling and Vita is not or that he wants Vita only to do well
1/2/3 = Tomodachi/Luigi/New Leaf. Terrible taste? Wtf?
electroplankton
Banned
Maybe because they're 3DS games.
The popular definition of this, I find, is "preferences other than my own."
I do not like it, therefore anyone who does is wrong.
They won't say it or realize it, of course, but it's what they mean.
Talk about jumping into conclusions...he didnt specify what bothers him with the charts why are you all assuming he means the Nintendo titles ? They were also popular 10-15 years ago...
Publishers like Konami are a joke compared to their output in previous generations and effectively killed many beloved IPs :-/
Publishers like Konami are a joke compared to their output in previous generations and effectively killed many beloved IPs :-/
electroplankton
Banned
Because it's not that charts changed a lot in the last decade. We have Nintendo handheld (and PSP) instead of PS2 but Japanese still buy jRPGs, Gundam, etc.
Spieler Eins
Member
The Japanese charts are probably some of the last that show some kind of variety when it comes to games (not so much in platforms, but whatever)
pieatorium
Member
Maybe he's just parodying everyone who drivebyes the NPD and Pal threads with the same comment
Wii U must be the only console available these holidays since Nintendo can ship 3M only for USA.
Wii U to be bundled with the cure for cancer preinstalled, this holiday at a retailer near you!
StreetsAhead
Member
Lol at the 'console competition' this year. This time in 2011 few were expecting the 3DS to be able to stand up against Vita's first holiday and look at how that turned out. So much can change between now and the PS4's release.
Also, price cut is not happening in Japan in my opinion. Basic Set is more or less the launch price of the Wii. In the West, maybe, but not in Japan. Games that people want to play are the answer here, not (just) a price cut.
Also, price cut is not happening in Japan in my opinion. Basic Set is more or less the launch price of the Wii. In the West, maybe, but not in Japan. Games that people want to play are the answer here, not (just) a price cut.
Vita's first holiday, i.e. the one week?
electroplankton
Banned
Well, until late June (and the Fall Conference, to a less extent), i.e. three months and a half before the holiday season was starting, very few people thought 3DS could stand a chance against Vita, given the same price and a poor 3DS line-up.
Yeah, no. Everyone knew it was going to be a battle with 3DS dropping the Trinity.
I don't think we had concrete release dates for SM3D Land, MK7, and we didn't know MH3G existed on the 3DS by this time.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
You know how silly you are comparing the Vita to the PS4 and 720.
We still don't know the entire PS4 launch lineup, Jap 3rd party support, price etc. These are important factors that could seriously hurt or help the WiiU sales this holiday.
electroplankton
Banned
This time in 2011 gaming press and the vast majority of gaming community was laughing at poor 3DS results in the post-launch period, claiming that the console was doom, that games were cancelled, etc.. No price-cut was announced until late June; E3 wasn't really impressive outside Super Mario 3D Land and Luigi's Mansion 2; very few people expected a Monster Hunter game on 3DS, something that actually all of us were expecting hitting Vita sooner or later (3G and 4 were announced in mid-September); I think we didn't even know that the two Mario games would have been holiday titles.
SS
ßig
Unconfirmed Member
apparently I'm late, but this site has famitsu charts from the 90s-2003 archived
http://homepage2.nifty.com/~NOV/top30top.html
http://homepage2.nifty.com/~NOV/top30top.html
That doesn't really answer my question. Can 1 week really be considered Vita's first holidays?
And even if, I doubt we'll see a 3DS-like beast mode from the Wii U since the 3DS got the biggest portable franchise and a 38% price-cut along with Nintendo titles. Since Nintendo is not getting COD exclusive to Wii U and I doubt they can slash the price by 38% again. Also PS4 and Xbox Infinity will probably be out for more than just a week this holiday season.
Erm? Why not?? Realistically speaking, one should expect for the first one to be the weakest holiday. But even one year later, we saw how it went.
For Wii U... it had a decent launch and holiday, then it went down the drain. A 3DS-like recovery imo is very unlikely this holiday. But I'm certain it WILL gain some ground.
But the Wii U has its own problems to sort before we even start thinking about the competition. We know almost nothing about the other platforms, and we have no idea how they will perform.
There's no indication of mainstream anticipation (yet) for the PS4 and next Xbox.
Well the point is that 3DS had free reign for pretty much 99% of the time that we would call holidays. Wii U will, most likely, not have that.
And of course Wii U will gain some ground, it'd be in real trouble if even new software can't get people to buy the system.
ßig;57496130 said:
Cool, I somehow found the debut week for Revelations: Persona.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://homepage2.nifty.com/~NOV/d409.html
Look at all those Saturn games! And Pokemon's (sorta low?) LTD.
Edit again: Also, holy crap at how tiny the market was pre-92. All those games in the low hundreds.
Those are points. Depending on the time frame, you need to multiply by values between 3.65 and 5.3 to get estimated sales. The website author calculates these by comparing certain chart rankings with actual numbers, when available.
http://homepage2.nifty.com/~NOV/point1.html
If you're talking Japan, the Wii U will have a much easier time during the holidays compared to the rest of the world, in terms of competing with PS4, and even more with next Xbox.
We have no clue about the japanese launch lineup yet to draw too many conclusions anyway.
Haha okay that makes much more sense, thanks.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Historically, Nintendo consoles actually do much better in the West during holiday months.
Nintendo sells just shy of 3 million Wii's through the year, Dec comes around and they sell 3.8 million. I can't remember what year that was. Selling either 50% or just shy of their year total in a single month. Hell it might have been different figures entirely.
My point was Nintendo tends to do much better during holiday months in the west. 3DS last year really didn't though and WiiU might be screwed at the outset.
StreetsAhead
Member
Pre-E3 2011, people thought SM3DLand looked bland and we barely knew anything of Mario Kart and absolutely nothing of MH3G. The idea that Nintendo would cut the price by a 1/3 so soon after launch was almost laughable. Vita looked like it had a real shot compared to a struggling 3DS. Admittedly, it never performed as poorly as the Wii U did, but I'm talking about people's perception here. Almost no one was arguing that it would be turned around by Christmas, especially with Vita coming.
I know that. That's exactly my point. People are acting as if we know that the PS4 (I'll consider the Xbox when it shows it'll have any relevancy to this market this time around) is going to swoop down and be a white knight and immediately go into beast mode when we do not have that information at all.
My point in bringing up the Vita is that people thought the same thing, or at least, a similar about it, relative to the 3DS (or at least that it would be a much closer race) at this time in 2011. My point is that it is not a guaranteed thing at all, especially in Japan. Of course, a 50,000 yen PS4 with Killzone, Knack, & Driveclub on Dec 8th is not going to do as well as a 40,000 yen one with the aforementioned and an exclusive FF on Nov 18th. There are still too many factors to conclusively say that the Wii U will struggle this holiday in Japan purely because it's facing competition from new consoles because we don't know what value proposition that new console will be presenting.
Gianni Merryman
Member
Mario kart may help sales in Japan, 3D Mario not so much, if all home-consoles installations since Mario sunshine are anything to go by.
Of course new 3D Mario may still outsell both Galaxies in Japan, but I would tend to expect much bigger sales from Mario kart.
I agree, but 3D Mario is still a pretty big seller.
metalslimer
Member
Well I mentioned the other consoles because Sammy was talking about the US with that ridiculous 3 million assertion. And there were a good number of people who rightfully doubted that Vita would do well in today's mobile market. The prevailing notion was that handhelds were doomed in general back then.
Edit: Depending on the PS4 launch lineup, Wii U could end up doing okay on the lack of competition alone.
Edit: Depending on the PS4 launch lineup, Wii U could end up doing okay on the lack of competition alone.
shinra-bansho
Member
The PS4 and 720 do not matter. I've said it before but if they also meet tepid response I don't see that really affecting the Wii U at all. It doesn't suddenly make the Wii U's value proposition fantastic.
Even looking at the Wii U in isolation the idea that sales will increase by orders of magnitude in November and December from a current 50-60K a month to 1-2M a month in the US is unlikely given what we know.
Even looking at the Wii U in isolation the idea that sales will increase by orders of magnitude in November and December from a current 50-60K a month to 1-2M a month in the US is unlikely given what we know.
StreetsAhead
Member
You're in the wrong thread. This is a discussion about Japanese sales.
As for value proposition, the Wii U will already have more 1st party games launching in the later half of 2013 than the 3DS did in the same period of 2011 and they haven't announced if Kart or 3D Mario are coming for sure yet. Maybe things like Wii Party U, Game & Wario, and Pikmin aren't system sellers individually, but taken together, they may make some people bite.
I think that the sales will increase in the second half of the year on that basis alone, even if it's not up past 15K per week.