This is true, though if you include December launch numbers Wii U is tracking ahead and should be able to easily eclipse Vita's first full holiday.
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Media Create Sales: Week 44, 2013 (Oct 28 - Nov 03)
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This is true, though if you include December launch numbers Wii U is tracking ahead and should be able to easily eclipse Vita's first full holiday.
The perfect Dark
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But Nintendo doesn't need third party support to succeed (financially at least). The next six months will be interesting because Ps4 and X1 will have some sort of "software drought" while Nintendo releases Mario Kart 8 and Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze
pieatorium
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vitas first holiday was abysmal though so thats not a big target
it needs to sell 190k on both trackers to beat vitas 2012, an average of 23k per week. I think it will get there but not by much.
malboroking
Banned
And what does that have to do with YTD sales?
But worse first-party support.
Sony has always been banking on third parties. Virtually none of their franchises could sell PSP's. Nintendo has always been banking on their first-party output.
Different strategies, different ways they can do well.
The perfect Dark
Banned
Ahhh, sorry I missed the point.
djplaeskool
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1st Course
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Any reason why B/W was very front-loaded compared to the other entries?
Also thx for posting.
pieatorium
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Sony released more retail, and more digital only games for vita in the same period than nintendo has for wiiu. Like you said these dont have the sales potential of nintendo's output, especially in Japan but that doesn't mean the support wasn't there.
The DS by the time of BW release was a massive powerhouse.
Sarcasm? It's hard to tell
Because if this isn't sarcasm and is about the JP market, it doesn't make much sense considering the times those consoles are launching
If it's about the WW market, both PS4/Xbone actually have some really solid releases planned for the first half of next year.
WIU | 38.802
Thanks for the laughs so early in the morning at the office
Go WiiU!There was very, very little from Sony that was aimed at the Japanese market, was my point. It was much worse in that respect.
It is far far less. Using Nintendo's Q2 results minus Media Create numbers for the corresponding week and by using Capcom/Gibbo numbers minus Media Create numbers for the corresponding week you have Tomodachi Collection as 180,000 and Monster Hunter 4 at 475,000. Monster Hunter 4 is #3 on the All Bestsellers, Tomodachi Collection is something like #13 (I'm on my phone but I posted recent charts on my blog a few days ago, and neither Pokémon charted (X maybe at #20 or something) so the highest both Pokémon can total is less than double Tomodachi which is far, far less than Monster Hunter.
It was a sequel in a popular franchise on a mature platform.
Speaking strictly about Pokemon it was the only time a mainline game appeared for the second time on the same system.
B/W2 was also a strange experiment, a mix between a direct sequel and the usual "director cut" version (like Emerald and such).
pieatorium
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it is a similar situation nintendo faces in the west, except sony doesn't have a mario to carry it in the territory that it lacks strength.
They are seeming to build some mid sized ip to go along with everybody's golf/sport. Soulsac was an ok performer and i would imagine that if they can sell that game they should be able to sell the more aesthetically pleasing Freedom Wars aswell.
Renaming the gr developers to team gravity would suggest they are going to continue with that series beyond the teased second game.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
real talk, if Gravity Rush had made it to the UK Vita launch, I'd list it as the best launch line up a system ever enjoyed.
Sony certainly learned from Vita's JPN launch though, hence the current "when theres japanese games from them darn slackers" plan.
Sony certainly learned from Vita's JPN launch though, hence the current "when theres japanese games from them darn slackers" plan.
Huh; do you have Yellow/Crystal/Emerald/Platinum final numbers? I'm curious to see how B2W2 has compared to the iterations more similar to it.
I did decent.
There really is just no excitement for the system and that probably won't change to much with such a sparse release schedule. We will see how things go this holiday season with XB1 and PS4 entering the show.
The only reason why the sudden boost is happening is because of Super Mario 3D World which comes out on the 21st this month in Japan or Wii Fit U.
While it's good, the question is, how long will the boost last?
shinra-bansho
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Exactly. This idea that any key decision maker is being fooled by blind optimism is as silly as the forecast itself.
No, I'm pretty sure neither investors, analysts or related third parties who have any interest in the forecasts are instilled with confidence when a product ships 5% of said fiscal year unit forecast, negative units in one of the three major territories and the company posts another consecutive quarter of operating losses while still proclaiming an unmanageable unit and profit forecast.
Take our very own Aquamarine. She is a Nintendo shareholder. And she isn't fooled one bit.
I can see a situation where they want to confine a major downward revision to a single quarter. But everyone knows the forecast is unachievable, and they'll miss it by a lot, and the implication that this is some sort of masterstroke of genius that's inspired confidence in the collective third party industry and Nintendo's major shareholders is the stuff of fantasy.
Cosmo Clock 21
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Somehow I am disappointed it wasn't actually announced as a VN adaptation.
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thepotatoman
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Dat positivity
On a side note, how in the hell is that Nintendo stock increased by 8% in less than two days. I ain't complaining though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_bounce
Vita has third party support, at least.
Wii U knocked it out of the park. With all the ominous projections, I figured Wii Party U would do about 20k total. Since it did nearly 80k (with over 35k being bundles) I'd say they deserve to celebrate. Hopefully they can maintain 10k+ stats until Mario 3D World comes out and then get through the holidays with some pride. Get the sales now while you can, N, since Jan 2014 and on is likely gonna look pretty gloomy.
Really great numbers though. Hopefully Party U will show them some legs.
Really great numbers though. Hopefully Party U will show them some legs.
Visualante2
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I'm a little surprised. I thought Wii Party wasn't going to make much difference, that the audience has moved onto other things.
I'd say they hit the ball. Lets not go crazy here.
Miladesn posted this at the end of the last thread.
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure was a success, although it disappointed fans and broke its own legs.
So it seems like a bad condition for a sequel... but they're making something pretty similar already.
In February they're releasing a Sakigake!! Otokojuku game, which seems graphically similar. Not sure if it's by Cyberconnect2.
They're both based off eighties Shonen Jump manga, and both have similar gritty, violent aesthetics.
Sakigake!! Otokojuku is more of a parody. It doesn't seem to be as popular, but it has had a sequel and movie in the past few years.
I'm curious as to whether JoJo's Bizarre Adventure could negatively affect the impressions of this game.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
So at this point, what 3rd parties games does Nintendo have lined up for the Wii U in 2014? Is there a single Japanese publisher on board that we're aware of at the moment?
I do hope Mario & Sonic and Taiko do well in Japan, so that at least will keep those two series on the Wii U.
I do hope Mario & Sonic and Taiko do well in Japan, so that at least will keep those two series on the Wii U.
Sega (Puyo Puyo Tetris)
That's all I'm seeing in GameFAQs. There's a fair amount of third-party releases for the Wii U in December, but they're all Western or online stuff.
Sakura
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Man Wii U is like a Phoenix. If I was Iwata I would revise the sale forecast upwards.
Sure I guess, but I'd personally rather Wii U's first party offerings than the Vita's 3rd party stuff.
Sure I guess, but I'd personally rather Wii U's first party offerings than the Vita's 3rd party stuff.
metalslimer
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I'm not sure where anyone is expecting Japanese 3rd party support to come from looking at the state of the Japanese industry. Wii U besides the Xbox platforms is the absolute last place a 3rd party wants to put their games and even Xbox One will have greater Japanese 3rd party support for bigger western games.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
2015 is a lock to be honest. Larger install base = greater revenue and better ROI.
Japanese 3rd party support is moving towards smartphones and Wii U and Vita are the two platforms to best catch ports from that sector. As we can see from L5's strategy most of those smartphone games can (and will) easily be ported to all traditional game devices but U and Vita are the ones that come equipped with both a touchscreen and gyro.
L5 are leading the way for smartphone games with console appeal anyway, DQ9 had perfect touch controls for an RPG (I wonder why SE doesn't use that control scheme for 1~8) and Layton works perfectly well on smartphones too.
metalslimer
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The 3DS has a touchscreen and gyro.I'm not really sure why most companies would bother with porting their smartphone game to a bunch of other platforms increasing costs.
It's really unoriginal to discuss at this point, but hachi machi I can't believe the disaster that is Wii U's upcoming JPN third party support. What happened to all those rumors about "parity plus" or something along those lines, I vaguely remember it coming from respectable people and not no name "insiders."
Just kind of astonishing to me that there are literally zero non-Nintendo games I want for the system. That's never happened, even on the Nintendo 64! Seems like the future for third party stuff on the Wii U will be in collaborations along the lines of SMT x FE and Platinum's games.
Just kind of astonishing to me that there are literally zero non-Nintendo games I want for the system. That's never happened, even on the Nintendo 64! Seems like the future for third party stuff on the Wii U will be in collaborations along the lines of SMT x FE and Platinum's games.
Konami is developing this game in L.A. now, the budget for this game is already huge massive, and Konami doesn't have much in the pipeline. They need to make money somehow.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Btw, I'm confused about Ground Zeroes. So is it just the first half of Phantom Pain? Or a different game?
Sakura
Member
Isn't that why they're releasing Ground Zeroes separately though? To cash in some of that MGSV money now while waiting for the game proper to release?
EDIT: I do disagree that they need to wait for 2015 for a bigger install base though. I don't think install base matters that much for a series like MGS. Didn't MGS2 sell better than 3?
sequel to PW prequel to PP
Sounds like the first three or four hours of MGS V.
There are developer environments like Unity that allow easy porting between supported devices. 3DS will get those games too obviously even though some will take more effort to make them run on its weaker hardware.
My point is, the rules are changing. L5 is leading the way and they support all platforms. There's no reason why other smartphone devs won't follow suit eventually. I certainly expect SE to do so.
Wii U is also the only console combining TV output and touch screen. And if devs are putting their smartphone stuff on 3DS, why shouldn't they also put it on Wii U?
Aquamarine
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They have Lords of Shadow for 2014! That's something...right?
I presume this Wii Party U figure (44% sell-through) only represents standalone retail...or does it include bundles as well?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Prequel to PP. Kind of like GT5 Prologue to GT5.
I was wondering the same thing after reading the latest Q&A, especially this bit by Iwata answering to Q9:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/131031qa/03.html
[...] if the bereaved family approaches the company with a proposal regarding the inheritance, and if there is something we can do to cooperate, we are willing to do so. For the benefit of all of our shareholders, we are willing to cooperate if needed so as not to disturb our stock price as a result of his large stake in the company being released onto the market at once. Please understand, however, it would be only after the bereaved family contacted us to discuss this subject and, once again, if they do so, it will probably be only after the 49th day. I myself want the company to appropriately do what it has to do in order to not cause trouble for everyone, and I believe that the company has the fiscal ability to do so if needed.