Last year New Super Mario U bundle was pre-installed too?
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Media Create Sales: Week 46, 2014 (Nov 10 - Nov 16)
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Last year New Super Mario U bundle was pre-installed too?
All true, but Toad is not a big release.
Yeah. I mean, no disrespect to Captain Toad and it's gameplay, but it's probably the cheapest "major" game Nintendo has come out with in recent history. Calling it a "bomb" seems kind of fallacious. By the time the game runs it's stubby legs out in Japan and does it's numbers in the rest of the world, it'll probably only be constituted a "bomb" by virtue of not doing Mario numbers, which was realistically never going to happen, and I bet Nintendo realizes this as well.
Maybe that was Nintendo's big plan with the game; a quickly made production to be put into Nintendo's holding pattern for the Wii U, which don't even need to sell that well to turn a profit. Wouldn't surprise me if that's how Wii U will look like post-2015.
shinra-bansho
Member
The established lead from an extra 16(?) months of sales still presents a considerable hurdle to ever pass, given how poor its sales still are.
Really? It says "download" on the box. Thanks for the clarification.
Then again, it doesn't really matter as what I was driving at is "game's not physical", ha ha.
By the way, Bamco is soooo never gonna sell all FW stock for One Piece. I doubt it'll have great legs when competing against Smash for the holidays.
Zekra Dezivad
Member
Pennywise83
Banned
In Japan, Nintendo started advertising the game very late.
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|Week| 2013 | 2014 |
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| 40 | 122.987 | 122.987 | 22.490 | 22.490 |
| 41 | 213.570 | 336.557 | 261.873 | 284.263 |
| 42 | 154.578 | 491.135 | 113.238 | 397.501 |
| 43 | 109.508 | 600.643 | 96.590 | 494.091 |
| 44 | 88.376 | 689.019 | 69.673 | 563.764 |
| 45 | 81.817 | 770.836 | 79.217 | 642.981 |
| 46 | 70.102 | 840.938 | 65.201 | 708.182 |
| 47 | 84.506 | 925.444 | | | -> OR/AS
| 48 | 108.373 | 1.033.817 | | |
| 49 | 125.269 | 1.159.086 | | |
| 50 | 181.556 | 1.340.642 | | | -> YW2: SU
| 51 | 232.600 | 1.573.242 | | |
| 52 | 201.703 | 1.774.945 | | |
--------------------------------------------------Let's put things even more in perspective
First time on the brand new console
02./00. [PS2] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2008 (Konami) - 293,926 / NEW
03./00. [PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2008 (Konami) - 141,432 / NEW
18./00. [360] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2008 (Konami)
Last year's main entry
03./00. [PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2014 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.11.14} (¥7.980) - 151.800 / NEW
11./00. [PSP] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2014 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.11.14} (¥3.980) - 16.976 / NEW
14./00. [3DS] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2014 <SPT> (Konami) {2013.11.14} (¥4.980) - 11.444 / NEW
This year's Blue Samurai edition
01./00. [PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2014: Samurai Blue Challenge <SPT> (Konami) {2014.05.22} (¥8.208) - 35.656 / NEW
05./00. [3DS] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2014: Samurai Blue Challenge <SPT> (Konami) {2014.05.22} (¥8.208) - 16.762 / NEW
19./00. [PSP] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2014: Samurai Blue Challenge <SPT> (Konami) {2014.05.22} (¥3.067) - 7.245 / NEW
This year's main entry
02./00. [PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2015 <SPT> (Konami) {2014.11.13} (¥8.208) - 71.303 / NEW
08./00. [PS4] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2015 <SPT> (Konami) {2014.11.13} (¥8.208) - 26.684 / NEW
It's baffling to me they decided to ditch the 3DS version all of a sudden, right when it started showing signs of improvement (BS with a better debut than last main entry). It could have been PS4/PS3/3DS/One without any problem, and IMHO the 3DS version could have had a better debut than the PS4's SKU.
Finally next week?
It's not so difficult to read numbrs correct, is it?
A few weeks would not have made much difference. It was marketed well for what some might think looks like a cheap downloadable title.
Avada Kedavra
Banned
That's ludicrous. You think a game with a development team of at least 75 people + marketing with a 35$ price point and selling below 30k first week is half its budget... NeoGAF sales analysts at work..
test_account
XP-39C²
True, but such indications only tells if its high or low in relative terms, at least to me. Are we talking $500k or $10 million? Is there any indication about any specific budget cost?
Looks like Captain Toad is not really a bomba given that it sold at least 40% of its stock. We're just too focused on low sales number, guys 
It's a budget title, so it won't really push systems if that's what you expect. And while low, I think it just did well enough to even sold close to half at 1st week. Could be worse.
The one to really anticipate is how will Smash Wii U will do in Japan. With early speculation that Smash 3DS already cannibalizing potential Smash Wii U sales in Japan, it will be exciting to see if that will turn out to be true or not.
It's a budget title, so it won't really push systems if that's what you expect. And while low, I think it just did well enough to even sold close to half at 1st week. Could be worse.The one to really anticipate is how will Smash Wii U will do in Japan. With early speculation that Smash 3DS already cannibalizing potential Smash Wii U sales in Japan, it will be exciting to see if that will turn out to be true or not.
shinra-bansho
Member
I thought by now we had all come to terms the fact that Konami is gym company that occasionally happens to make a Metal Gear game.
Hopefully Captain Toad can have some legs but as of now, 30k is a horrible opening. Not sure why people are trying to spin it. Even saw the "digital" argument.
When does the holiday uptick start? Wii U needs something. Bundle didn't do much unless now that's magically its baseline (lol)
When does the holiday uptick start? Wii U needs something. Bundle didn't do much unless now that's magically its baseline (lol)
kinopio - nooooo
It was made under a year, on top of an existing engine by a studio who has 100 employees and who has at least 2 teams (recent rumors suggest even 3 teams).
1-2 million seems like a reasonable budget for a project like this, no?
30k isn't good, but I guess it'll go to 70-100k in japan and add 150-200k oversea. It has more potential compared to bayonetta to be a long term seller.
It was made under a year, on top of an existing engine by a studio who has 100 employees and who has at least 2 teams (recent rumors suggest even 3 teams).
1-2 million seems like a reasonable budget for a project like this, no?
30k isn't good, but I guess it'll go to 70-100k in japan and add 150-200k oversea. It has more potential compared to bayonetta to be a long term seller.
I don't know: it is selling better than Wii U with "almost" no games (I mean: few multiplatform games with PS3, most of them even western ones); I know that the Wii U debut was very good (I'm talking about the launch/december 2012, with New Mario, MH and Land), but or there is some mistery hidden somewhere about Wii U performances so far, or PS4 will catch up with it looking at its early '15 release schedule: if we imagine an even better lineup for the second part of 2015 (and I think it's fair to imagine this, honestly) and a possible price cut/bundle I think it will manage this "milestone" around Fall '15.
djplaeskool
Member
Pennywise83
Banned
Of course there are no such indications. When we are talking about games budgets, 90% of the time it is just pure speculation, and here it was clear. The game itself, though, speaks for a low-budget production, as stated by Miyamoto in a recent interview (quick spin-off to fill line-up gaps, and Captain Toad was an example of this).
shinra-bansho
Member
Even under an unlikely scenario that the PS4 manages to outsell the Wii U by 20,000 units a week on average going forward, which requires the Wii U sell negative units or the PS4 to increase unit sales significantly, it would take 60 weeks to catch up.
Because limited market potential.
Nintendo took the money for shipment, not sales.
You must expect extraordinary weekly sales with predictions like these.
The "problem" for the PS4 catchup is that even though the WiiU is selling shite, it's still selling. The WiiU is essentially "moving the goal posts".
It has to sell 22k more than the Wii U on a weekly basis for that....so yeah no.
I'm not ready to revise my prediction yet but the ps4 is doing better than I thought. And the Wii U....is well, the Wii U.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
I wonder if GTA 5 for PS4 will post decent numbers. The PS3 version was one of the biggest sales surprises last year.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I still want to play on Wii U and this month it will again be my most played system. I also don't want to be treated a lot of ports of games I already have for the next Nintendo console either, they should make new games for a new console.
Avada Kedavra
Banned
The budget is easily above 5 million. But It's surely below 10 million.
Avada Kedavra
Banned
Oh boy...
Last year's Bundle:
Price: 31.238¥ (tax not included)
Games: New Super Mario Bros U + Wii Party U
Extras: Free 30 days Karaoke
Others: Wii Remote, Wii Bar Sensor
This year's Bundle:
Price: 32.800¥ (tax not included, and it increased from 5% to 8% in april)
Game: Mario Kart 8
Extras: non
Others: Wii Remote, Wii Bar Sensor
Higher price less games and extras.
Oh boy and oh girl. What don't you understand?
I took 30 ppl working one year @ 40k salary to reach 1.2 million + overhead
test_account
XP-39C²
Then that doesnt tell me much unfortunately. Low and high are relative terms, and if there isnt much to go by to compare what low and high is, its hard to say what amount of money that we're talking about. The guy i asked was pretty specific when he said "half the budget", that is why i asked. He did also say "might" though to be fair, but i thought maybe he had some specific info regarding why he thought so.
Oh yeah. I forgot about Abe and his shenanigans Doesn't he want 10% now? D:
Pennywise83
Banned
Bottom line: Captain Toad will break even with low sales.
I see now.
Nintendo should have been more aggressive and offered MK8 bundle at lower price.
I'm expecting sales imilar to what the 3DS was able to put in the first months of the 2014, for PS4, once the games for the Japanese target will be actually available.
Last year the Wii U had a continuous rise when 3D World came out (Nov 21) and it lasted all the way until the end of the year. Even though it only moved around 20k at launch week it still grew exponentially.
It will probably begin with Smash Bros, which comes out Dec 6 in Japan. Wii U got as high up as 106k units between December 16 - 22 last year. Not going to expect it doing the same this year but it should be a healthy period for it.
test_account
XP-39C²
That is possible, but that wasnt really what i was wondering about
I'm more curious to know more exact cost of the game production.