Is it really that hard to just say "I was wrong".
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Media Create Sales: Week 49, 2013 (Dec 02 - Dec 08)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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Is it really that hard to just say "I was wrong".
theprodigy
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we already did the 4.4x MoM sales joke in the Microsoft Math™ thread, you should probably take off the fanboy blinders in a serious sales discussion
(admittedly it's hilarious, 15 trillion LTD or something by the end of 2014 because the multiplier never stops)
well, people brought up worldwide holiday sales for Wii U somewhere
.....you know, how bad are GC/N64 Japanese sales anyway, both of those had over half their WW numbers in NA
gamergirly
Member
Yeah if we forget about DK and Mario Kart in the process.....
Wii U isn't doing the greatest but this whole thing about being dead is weak sauce. Its dead if NOONE buys any of their future titles lol
shinra-bansho
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It will sell more than 2M in the fiscal year, but really 3-4M is even looking quite optimistic now.
It did 223K in the US in November, with Super Mario releasing as a tentpole, and including Black Friday.
It likely won't do much more than that in December. With the 50K from October it will sell around 600K maybe in their fiscal Q3 in the US.
So they ship maybe 1.5M, maybe 2M at most this quarter. With half a million from last quarter.
I doubt their Jan-Mar quarter is significantly higher than half a million even with Mario Kart and Donkey Kong.
It did 223K in the US in November, with Super Mario releasing as a tentpole, and including Black Friday.
It likely won't do much more than that in December. With the 50K from October it will sell around 600K maybe in their fiscal Q3 in the US.
So they ship maybe 1.5M, maybe 2M at most this quarter. With half a million from last quarter.
I doubt their Jan-Mar quarter is significantly higher than half a million even with Mario Kart and Donkey Kong.
metalslimer
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Wow..... well at least he admitted he engages in hyperbole.
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Phoenician_Viking
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Install base has nothing to do with it.MH4 did not launch at the day as the 3DS. That´s not an excuse. The people who wanted to buy the game bought the game. And it sure sounds well when a sequel underperform its predecessor to company leaders, investors of the company.
That's what I came here for. Should be interesting.
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Deleted member 125677
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I'm sure they can't sleep at night.
airmangataosenai
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I'm not entirely sure what Chris's post is getting at. Perhaps the language is harsh but the facts are this: Up until now each iteration has shown growth from the previous one. Yes there's a point where growth would have to stop but for the decline to be as steep as it's been isn't a good thing. Has it sold better than I expected? Definitely, but also at the same time nowhere near as much as some here predicted. I said it wasn't going to sell numbers similar to 3rd and it won't.
4 million is a huge number, 3 million is a huge number, 2 million is a huge number. It's all relative. It's annoying how we have this same argument every couple of weeks though.
4 million is a huge number, 3 million is a huge number, 2 million is a huge number. It's all relative. It's annoying how we have this same argument every couple of weeks though.
I've seen people comparing it to AC and looking for 1 million LTD sales...to me sounds crazy, lets' see...
I don't know, it's strength is that it isn't the same FTP/cooldown model as the mobile game , so it depends whether it's different enough that the audience views it as a worthy additional purchase so that they can play in longer bursts, rather than one that they don't need if they already have the FTP original.
Either way, that's what I stuck my head in here this morning for too, I don't think 1m LTD sounds crazy considering the 3DS user base there now. I wonder if it'll have any Streetpass mechanics or a Miiverse community to support it, or whether it's primarily Nintendo first party stuff that uses that?
I could see a million happening, although I'm only going on the strength of the brand and how good the original game is. I don't really know much about the 3DS game itself.
I guess my only concern is that it might not be worth buying if you're already heavily invested in the phone version. Gotta get those daily login bonuses!
Nightstick11
Banned
I was thinking "who in their right mind would poo-poo the sales of a game that sold 4 million before Christmas and lead to record earnings for Capcom" but then I saw the name.
airmangataosenai
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Pretty much, yeah.
ionicbluebird
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Ryse: Son of Wii...
so late.
What business decision do you think the best they can make with that MH4 money?
Powerstone 3 on Vita.
Mars Matrix 2 on Vita.
Giga Wing 3 on Vita.
All of these would shift upwards of 10 million copies. First week.
Yeah, I mean, I know that the brand is so strong, but it would be mind blowing to see such a succesfull transition from mobile to console, wouldn't be?
Well, what else do they have for spring 2014? They need to have a good line-up ready before Golden Week at least I think, and getting that game out before that would be wise
Funny how the people who accuse such companies as Nintendo being stuck in the past are stuck in the past themselves :lol
metalslimer
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You realize that 3 million doesn't include download numbers and by the time this game stops selling it will be very close to the original's LTD right? At worst it's going to sell 4 million copies before any kind of best release and the original certainly didn't sell near 5 million on the very first go
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/12/03/monster-hunter-4-moved-4-million-copies-japan/
Are you expecting not a single copy to ever be shipped again?
I'm sorry but you trying to downplay the sales of this game is beyond foolish.
I don't know why you can't ever just admit you were just plain wrong, and that's part of the reason why people hold such statements against you.
Phoenician_Viking
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I am pretty sure they are thrilled about the game selling less copies than its predecessor.
Yeah, companies sure love it when the sequel does not expand the fanbase of the prior game and sell less.
Look who´s talking. You clearly have zero understanding about the purpose of sequels and just spout drivel to defend Nintendo as always.
Magicpaint
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At least we've moved on from whether or not MH3G underperformed because it didn't sell anywhere close to MHP3rd numbers. Progress.
They are -- you can read about it here: http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/news/html/e131204.html
It wouldn't be a transition as much as a brand extension, I think. The mobile game is so ridiculously huge there that even a 1m+ 3DS entry is small fry in comparison.
Glass Rebel
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MH4G for 3DS
metalslimer
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Well this is ironic. Capcom should have put MH4 on Vita. They will regret this decision one day!! One day I tell you!
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Deleted member 125677
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You're projecting yourself onto others, Nibel is not even close to a Nintendo fanboy defender.
So please stop spewing trash like this, at least take it to some other thread ffs.
Gaist Crusher 2 on Wii U
Herb Alpert
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I am probably stupid and don't understand things as clearly as you do, but it seems that the brand will expand in the west. MH3U was strongly supported by Nintendo and was preparing the launch of MH4.
But you're probably right, MH4 is so far such a failure it will probably bomb hard in the west.
Wow...let's wait for its debut!
It will be interesting to look at western sales of MonHun 4 in addition to Japanese sales- I imagine that Nintendo's support in promoting it overseas will end up with it wildly outselling overseas sales of Portable 3, and the combined total pointing to the increased sales of the series. This is getting off-topic though.
Glass Rebel
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Yup, I can see it outselling Portable 3rd in the West by several magnitudes
*snicker*
It's kind of hard to not outsell 0.
airmangataosenai
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I am aware of both of those things yes, but even if it sold 500k digitally (A pretty generous estimate) that leaves around 500k copies out in the wild. It's selling 20k a week during the holidays, it's going to drop pretty significantly afterward so maybe 4 more weeks at this level? Even with a boost that woud get it to a bit north of 100k before the post-holiday drop and 400k left in stock, and even if it maintained something like 10-15k (Also again, unlikely to actually maintain these levels) a week the whole way through it would take more than 6 months to sell through that stock. So yes, individual stores probably will order more units both now and in the future but probably not by a significant amount. Stores don't wait to sell out before ordering more but if the stock is as plentiful as they're saying then they aren't going to reach that wall soon. With digital sales their annual report in March will probably have it between 4.1-4.2 million? The game's done better than I expected so far but that's my expectation.
Oops, sorry, that's embarrassing: I didn't know it didn't have any Western release at all! I spent ages with MH Freedom Unite though, was that portable 2? I swear the names, letters and numbers confuse me sometimes...
So ironic that this is coming from you - when was the last time I seriously defended Nintendo? :lol
You were one of those who predicted MonHun to fail on the 3DS, and look where that series ended up being: easily succeeding Capcom's sales projections despite having competition such as Animal Crossing, Pokémon and bunch of other popular million sellers. You don't understand the differences between the 3DS and the PSP situation and that's the big problem it seems
But yeah, keep dreaming about MH4 selling badly - because in reality that's just delusional
freezamite
Banned
Are you aware that in terms of money made, each copy sold digitally it's at least TWICE as profitable than a copy sold at retail?
In other words, Capcom has probably made more money from MH4 than it ever did from MHP3rd even if it's sales are still not there in terms of total units sold.
There are still the strongest weeks of the year to come, and your argument was that this game would have done much better on the Vita, which is clearly false.
GhostTrick
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Let's be honest. Even if it sold twice more than MHP3rd, you'd find a way to spin it. It sold 4 millions in less than 3 months, it's going to sell more and more, until they release a budget version, which will drive more sales. The only thing bothering you is the platform, because I guess it's not released on your favorite one. Which coming from the person who keeps claiming 3DS performs bad while Vita is doing fine relatively to expectations or such.
Portable 2nd G
I'm confused. Are you claiming it would have sold better on the psp or vita?
Yeah, or at least until we get some P&DZ numbers to scrap over instead.
BishopLamont
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ITT: MH4 underperforming even though its nowhere near done selling..
I hope the game is good and does well, localization please.
Psycho_Mantis
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MH4 may not reach the highs of 3rd portable and if you see it as a disappointment in that perspective (even though thats a very weird way to see it since its still selling a shit load and will probably have a LTD close enough to 3rd) then okay.
However, it really was the best case scenario for Capcom. Low dev costs + placing it on the platform where it would perform the best. Vita was definitely a no go due to the size of the userbase at the time. Maybe MH could have accelerated it but Capcom had a better and a less risky alternative namely the 3DS.
One interesting thought is if putting MH4 on the PSP would of resulted in greater sales (alongside with the cheaper dev costs).
However, it really was the best case scenario for Capcom. Low dev costs + placing it on the platform where it would perform the best. Vita was definitely a no go due to the size of the userbase at the time. Maybe MH could have accelerated it but Capcom had a better and a less risky alternative namely the 3DS.
One interesting thought is if putting MH4 on the PSP would of resulted in greater sales (alongside with the cheaper dev costs).