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[Mpl90]

When did we know about Vita's first shipment?

EDIT: Ah, found it

http://andriasang.com/comze0/vita_shipments/

The day before the launch. Maybe, it'll be similar for PS4.

 

[Spiegel]

5 days left and DK:TF isn't in the comgnet top 20.
This doesn't bode well for the game or the WiiU.

 

[ZSaberLink]

[WII] Wii Fit <HOB> (Nintendo) {2007.12.01} (¥8.800) - 261.226 / 261.226 <79,92%>
[WII] Wii Fit Plus # <HOB> (Nintendo) {2009.10.01} (¥2.000) - 339.687 / 339.687 <79,02%>
[WII] Wii Fit Plus: Wii Balance Board Set Black <HOB> (Nintendo) {2011.12.04} (¥9.800) - 436 / 436 <1,87%>
[WIU] Wii Fit U # <HOB> (Nintendo) {2014.02.01} (¥5.985) < 6.492

There were signs from 2011 and black balance board release that the specific market was dead.

Well, Wii Fit U was already in a console bundle in JP and could be downloaded digitally. Why would you buy the retail version unless you never had the original Balance Board, etc? It doesn't make the number good or anything though.

 

[Chris1964]

Well, Wii Fit U was already in a console bundle in JP and could be downloaded digitally. Why would you buy the retail version unless you never had the original Balance Board, etc? It doesn't make the number good or anything though.

There is a retail version without balance board and it's tracked.

 

[hongcha]

5 days left and DK:TF isn't in the comgnet top 20.
This doesn't bode well for the game or the WiiU.

I predicted 62k for Feb. I think my prediction was the lowest, but now I am thinking I did not go low enough.

 

[Burai]

Fitness fad from 2008 fails to create consumer excitement in 2014. News at 11.

 

[Chris1964]

Fitness fad from 2008 fails to create consumer excitement in 2014. News at 11.

Fitness fad from 2008 sold 6m Wii Fit Plus in 2010 and 2m in 2011.

With DK maybe we are looking at a FF collapse.

 

[Chris1964]

Some tips from Famitsu

Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon > 1m
New Play Control! Pikmin 2 = Pikmin 3 - 1000 / in a few days New Play Control! Pikmin 2 > Pikmin 3

Spoiler

my crystal ball told me Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D > Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze

 

[Fisico]

Durarara!! 3way Standoff: Alley V coming to VITA, up-port of original PSP game: http://tinyurl.com/qhztgt5

Hum, seems random, aren't the light novels finished ?
If there's no follow up to the anime adaptation (which sold pretty well btw) it doesn't make much sense.

 

[PhantomOfTheKnight]

Hum, seems random, aren't the light novels finished ?
If there's no follow up to the anime adaptation (which sold pretty well btw) it doesn't make much sense.

Link says it's part of a 10th Anniversary thing and there will be a new light novel tie-in/adaptation.

 

[thiagosimoes]

I'm not sure this is the right place to post this information, but I guess you guys could be interested on that. Yahoo! Brasil reports that Nintendo is shifting its focus and will invest on tablets and smartphones from now on. Also, they report that Nintendo does not reject a fusion with other companies or even selling all of their IPs. They say that their source is Nikkein Shinbun. I don't buy it at all. Pretty weird info. But if this is true, I'm speechless...

http://br.financas.yahoo.com/blogs/...ar-aberta-para-fusão-ou-compra-164713554.html

PS: I can try my best to translate the article if anyone is interested.

 

[metalslimer]

I'm not sure this is the right place to post this information, but I guess you guys could be interested on that. Yahoo! Brasil reports that Nintendo is shifting its focus and will invest on tablets and smartphones from now on. Also, they report that Nintendo does not reject a fusion with other companies or even selling all of their IPs. They say that their source is Nikkein Shinbun. I don't buy it at all. Pretty weird info. But if this is true, I'm speechless...

http://br.financas.yahoo.com/blogs/...ar-aberta-para-fusão-ou-compra-164713554.html

PS: I can try my best to translate the article if anyone is interested.

They already had their investor briefing. This sounds like a butchered version of what that meeting stated

 

[Mpl90]

Using Google Translate, the article is just about...that Iwata's interview with Nikkei from last week. There is no direct talking of "investing all in smartphones and tablets", just about using mobile as well. The "selling all their IPs" was probably the licensing talk but with a strange interpretation. As well as the M&A talk.

Seriously, if GT is right, the article has nothing wrong.

 

[Maedhros]

I'm not sure this is the right place to post this information, but I guess you guys could be interested on that. Yahoo! Brasil reports that Nintendo is shifting its focus and will invest on tablets and smartphones from now on. Also, they report that Nintendo does not reject a fusion with other companies or even selling all of their IPs. They say that their source is Nikkein Shinbun. I don't buy it at all. Pretty weird info. But if this is true, I'm speechless...

http://br.financas.yahoo.com/blogs/...ar-aberta-para-fusão-ou-compra-164713554.html

PS: I can try my best to translate the article if anyone is interested.

I don't think the part of investing on smartphones/tablets is true at all.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

I'm not sure this is the right place to post this information, but I guess you guys could be interested on that. Yahoo! Brasil reports that Nintendo is shifting its focus and will invest on tablets and smartphones from now on. Also, they report that Nintendo does not reject a fusion with other companies or even selling all of their IPs. They say that their source is Nikkein Shinbun. I don't buy it at all. Pretty weird info. But if this is true, I'm speechless...

http://br.financas.yahoo.com/blogs/...ar-aberta-para-fusão-ou-compra-164713554.html

PS: I can try my best to translate the article if anyone is interested.

blog

 

[Apophis2036]

my crystal ball told me Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D > Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze

A series sells fewer copies on a 1.6 million install base than it does on an install base of 14 million *shock horror!*

 

[Oemenia]

Updated shipments: http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html

Monster Hunter 4 (3DS,DL) 4000 (+1200)
Dead Rising 3 (Xbox One) 1000 (+1000)
Resident Evil 6 (PS3,Xbox 360,DL) 5600 (+400)
DmC Devil May Cry (PS3,Xbox 360,DL) 1400 (+200)
Resident Evil 5 (PS3,Xbox 360,DL) 6600 (+100)
Devil May Cry 4 (PS3,Xbox 360,DL) 2900 (+100)
Dead Rising 2 (PS3,Xbox 360,PC,DL) 2800 (+100)
Monster Hunter 3 (Tri) G (3DS,DL) 2300 (+100)
Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 (PS3,Xbox 360,DL) 1200 (+100)

thousands of units.

Really interesting, Capcom dont count budget re-releases, so those added sales are mainly due to digital.

 

[theprodigy]

Fitness fad from 2008 sold 6m Wii Fit Plus in 2010 and 2m in 2011.

With DK maybe we are looking at a FF collapse.

how much did DKCR do?
it might actually be even worse than Final Fantasy

 

[Chris1964]

A series sells fewer copies on a 1.6 million install base than it does on an install base of 14 million *shock horror!*

How can anyone take you seriously with continued posts/excuses like these. A brand new game selling worse than a re-release and it's supposed to be expected because of install base.

edit: A-Train 3DS has a 50k sales target according to sinobi.

 

[cw_sasuke]

How can anyone take you seriously with continued posts/excuses like these. A brand new game selling worse than a re-release and it's supposed to be expected because of install base.

edit: A-Train 3DS has a 50k sales target according to sinobi.

Both positions are justified imo, the WiiU Userbase is a joke compared to the 3DS, there are probably more people owning a 3DS that never played the original DKCR Wii, than WiiU owners. After the Wind Waker HD Bomba compared to OoT 3D it's a given. Even Skyward Sword sold sold less than OoT on 3DS lol.

Of course comparison will and schould be made and but let's be honest most games that have a similar counter part on 3DS will outsell the WiiU version - especially when it's a "mainstream" DK IP. Even Smash 3DS will outsell the WiiU version and that has been the strongest console exclusive First Party series for the last two generations.

 

[Chris1964]

Both positions are justified imo, the WiiU Userbase is a joke compared to the 3DS, there are probably more people owning a 3DS that never played the original DKCR Wii, than WiiU owners. After the Wind Waker HD Bomba compared to OoT 3D it's a given. Even Skyward Sword sold sold less than OoT on 3DS lol.

Of course comparison will and schould be made and but let's be honest most games that have a similar counter part on 3DS will outsell the WiiU version - especially when it's a "mainstream" DK IP. Even Smash 3DS will outsell the WiiU version and that has been the strongest console exclusive First Party series for the last two generations.

It depends what the other opinion is.

If it is the opinion that SS and WWHD were bombs that should never happen and have no excuse I agree.
If it is the opinion that no matter what a game will sell less because of userbase I couldn't disagree more.

Now, except that we compare handheld to console Zelda that have different power in Japan there are more parameters with Zelda.

Brand new handheld Zelda outsold from OOT3D just recently.
What was the userbase when TP came out and what was the userbase when SS came out, since it's so important.

I don't see how Smash fits the comparison. Portable and home console versions are made from the ground.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

Comgnet:

DQM1 - 1166pt / 513.183
DQM2 - 1007pt / ?

 

[Mpl90]

Comgnet chain stores preorders comparison, as of February 9th, 2014

[PS3] Yakuza Kenzan - 176pt
[PS3] Yakuza 4 - 422pt
[PS3] Yakuza 5 - 332pt
[PS3] Yakuza Ishin - 129pt
[PS4] Yakuza Ishin - 56pt

[PSP] Kuroko's Basketball: Games of Miracles - 40pt
[3DS] Kuroko's Basketball: Miraculous Victory - 51pt

[3DS] Harvest Moon: A New Beginning - 34pt
[3DS] Harvest Moon: Connecting to a New World - 51pt

[3DS] Magi: The Labyrinth of Beginning - 80pt
[3DS] Magi: The Kingdom of Magic - 46pt

[PS3] Battlefield 4 - 111pt
[PS4] Battlefield 4 - 24pt

[WII] Donkey Kong Country: Returns - 69pt
[WIU] Pikmin 3 - 67pt
[WIU] Super Mario 3D World - 55pt
[WIU] Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze - fucking 19pt

PS4 v.s. recent launches: 12 days to go

[3DS] Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracles - 158pt
[3DS] Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition - 49pt
[3DS] Samurai Warriors Chronicles - 48pt

[PSV] Hot Shots Golf: World Invitational - 53pt
[PSV] Uncharted: Golden Abyss - 38pt*

[WIU] New Super Mario Bros. U - 120pt
[WIU] Monster Hunter 3G HD Version - 52pt

[PS4] Yakuza Ishin - 56pt
[PS4] Battlefield 4 - 24pt
[PS4] Dynasty Warriors 8: Extreme Legends - 16pt*

* = latest known value, since game out of top 20 on that day, with 20th being 39pt
** = latest known value, since game out of top 20 today, with 20th being 18pt

 

[Apophis2036]

How can anyone take you seriously with continued posts/excuses like these. A brand new game selling worse than a re-release and it's supposed to be expected because of install base.

Software sales are restricted by the available install base, I really don't know why you continue to ignore that fact. How can Tropical Freeze hope to sell even a quarter of the lifetime sales of Returns 3D when the install base is about nine times smaller on WiiU compared to 3DS ?.

If PS4 launched in Japan one month selling a million units and then a game launched on it the next month but only sold 100k copies compared to the last game in the series on PS3 where it sold 5 million units, would you still call it a failure or would you accept that the install base is drastically limiting the new games sales potential ?.

I'm not 'defending' WiiU. Yes I have owned one since day one (I own a PS4 aswell) but to tell you the truth I cant stand the thing, the sooner Nintendo drop it the better imo. It's a complete and utter failure in every Worldwide region.

I do find it baffling though that someone who posts so much in sales threads continues to ignore hardware install base with regards to potential software sales on the platform.

You can't sell to customers who don't exist...

 

[theprodigy]

Comgnet chain stores preorders comparison, as of February 6th, 2014

[WII] Donkey Kong Country: Returns - 69pt
[WIU] Pikmin 3 - 67pt
[WIU] Super Mario 3D World - 55pt
[WIU] Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze - fucking 19pt

I see what you did there

 

[Apophis2036]

About 25-30k then for Tropical Freeze in it's first week ?.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

PS4 is out in 12 days? D:

 

[shinra-bansho]

PS4 launched in the US and sold a million in one month and Killzone Shadow Fall sold about as much as the last iteration on the much larger PS3 installed base...

The early installed base is supposed to be much more active in buying software and game sales don't always scale with installed base.

 

[Apophis2036]

PS4 launched in the US and sold a million in one month and Killzone Shadow Fall sold about as much as the last iteration on the much larger PS3 installed base...

The early installed base is supposed to be much more active in buying software and game sales don't always scale with installed base.

Shadow Fall and Knack were launch games, two of the only exclusive retail launch games which were also bundled at that.

NSMBU for WiiU was an exclusive launch game and also sold extremely well.

 

[Sandfox]

PS4 launched in the US and sold a million in one month and Killzone Shadow Fall sold about as much as the last iteration on the much larger PS3 installed base...

The early installed base is supposed to be much more active in buying software and game sales don't always scale with installed base.

I'm not disagreeing with you but I think that's a bad example.

 

[1st Course]

Dengeki Sales: Week 5, 2014 (Jan 27 - Feb 02)

+---------+-----------+-------+-----------------------------------------------------+------------------------------+--------------+-----------------+-----------------+
|  Order  | Last week | Model |                     Title name                      |         Manufacturer         | Release Date |    Estimated    |     Total       |
+---------+-----------+-------+-----------------------------------------------------+------------------------------+--------------+-----------------+-----------------+
|         |           |       |                                                     |                              |              | number of sales | number of sales |
| One     | -         | PS3   | Mobile Suit Gundam EXTREME VS. FULL BOOST           | NAMCO BANDAI Games           | 14/01/30     | 292,729         | 292,729         |
| Two     | -         | PS3   | Diablo III                                          | Square Enix                  | 14/01/30     | 42,219          | 42,219          |
| Three   | Two       | 3DS   | Kirby Triple Deluxe star                            | Nintendo                     | 14/01/11     | 39,435          | 399,556         |
| Four    | One       | PS3   | Sengoku BASARA4                                     | Capcom                       | 14/01/23     | 33,917          | 201,006         |
| Five    | -         | Vita  | Disgaea 4 Return                                    | Nippon Ichi Software         | 14/01/30     | 31,537          | 31,537          |
| Six     | -         | Vita  | Ebikore + Amagami                                   | Kadokawa Games               | 14/01/30     | 27,640          | 27,640          |
| Seven   | Three     | 3DS   | Pazudora Z                                          | Gung Ho Online Entertainment | 13/12/12     | 27,506          | 1,298,134       |
| Eight   | Eight     | 3DS   | Yokai Watch                                         | LEVEL-5                      | 13/07/11     | 25,413          | 343,789         |
| Nine    | -         | 3DS   | Toshin city                                         | Image epoch                  | 14/01/30     | 20,873          | 20,873          |
| Ten     | Seven     | 3DS   | Tsubasa giant of humanity - the end of the march    | Spike CHUNSOFT               | 13/12/05     | 12,769          | 226,993         |
| Eleven  | Four      | PS3   | Saints Row IV Ultra Super Ultimate Deluxe Edition   | Spike CHUNSOFT               | 14/01/23     | 12,013          | 46,293          |
| Twelve  | -         | PSP   | Shinobi, love Utsutsu                               | Idea Factory                 | 14/01/30     | 10,300          | 10,300          |
| 13      | Nine      | 3DS   | Tri-Force 2 The Legend of Zelda: Gods               | Nintendo                     | 13/12/26     | 10,113          | 352,255         |
| 14      | Twelve    | 3DS   | Survival battle with Shinobu in combat legend!      | NAMCO BANDAI Games           | 13/10/17     | 9,503           | 279,786         |
| Fifteen | Five      | PS3   | Dragon Ball Z BATTLE OF Z                           | NAMCO BANDAI Games           | 14/01/23     | 8,406           | 40,150          |
| Sixteen | 13        | 3DS   | Monster Hunter 4                                    | Capcom                       | 13/09/14     | 8,097           | 3,283,089       |
| 17      | Fifteen   | 3DS   | Pokemon X                                           | Pokemon                      | 13/10/12     | 7,231           | 2,118,514       |
| 18      | 18        | Wii U | Super Mario 3D World                                | Nintendo                     | 13/11/21     | 6,838           | 464,845         |
| 19      | Sixteen   | Wii U | Wii Party U                                         | Nintendo                     | 13/10/31     | 6,833           | 600,935         |
| Twenty  | Twenty    | Wii U | New Super Mario Bros. U                             | Nintendo                     | 12/12/2008   | 6,544           | 1,023,046       |
| 21      | Six       | Vita  | Dragon Ball Z BATTLE OF Z                           | NAMCO BANDAI Games           | 14/01/23     | 6,082           | 27,718          |
| 22      | 19        | 3DS   | Pokemon Y                                           | Pokemon                      | 13/10/12     | 5,950           | 1,916,742       |
| 23      | 17        | PS3   | Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remastered                   | Square Enix                  | 13/12/26     | 5,228           | 280,240         |
| 24      | 22        | 3DS   | Animal Crossing Tobidase                            | Nintendo                     | 12/11/2008   | 5,025           | 3,584,889       |
| 25      | 21        | PS3   | Grand Theft Auto V                                  | Rockstar Games               | 13/10/10     | 4,828           | 616,802         |
| 26      | 14        | Vita  | Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster Twin Pack           | Square Enix                  | 13/12/26     | 4,691           | 224,775         |
| 27      | -         | Wii U | Wii Fit U                                           | Nintendo                     | 14/02/01     | 4,463           | 97,645          |
| 28      | -         | PSP   | Arabians Doubt                                      | QuinRose                     | 14/01/30     | 3,860           | 3,860           |
| 29      | Thirty    | 3DS   | Tomodachi Collection new life                       | Nintendo                     | 13/04/18     | 3,414           | 1,643,104       |
| Thirty  | 28        | 3DS   | Disney Magic Castle My Happy Life                   | NAMCO BANDAI Games           | 13/08/01     | 3,359           | 479,564         |
| 31      | 26        | PS3   | Gran Turismo 6                                      | SCE                          | 13/12/05     | 3,272           | 340,004         |
| 32      | 25        | PS3   | World Soccer Winning Eleven 2014                    | KONAMI                       | 13/11/14     | 3,029           | 293,195         |
| 33      | 27        | PS3   | Battlefield 4                                       | Electronic Arts              | 13/11/07     | 3,011           | 207,569         |
| 34      | 32        | 3DS   | Hatsune Miku Project mirai 2                        | SEGA                         | 13/11/28     | 2,994           | 186,829         |
| 35      | -         | Vita  | Rozen Maiden Ventura F diesel emissions Gee Welt up | 5pb.                         | 14/01/30     | 2,930           | 2,930           |
| 36      | 34        | 3DS   | Mario Kart 7                                        | Nintendo                     | 11/12/2001   | 2,862           | 2,207,457       |
| 37      | 29        | Vita  | God Eater 2                                         | NAMCO BANDAI Games           | 13/11/14     | 2,680           | 384,076         |
| 38      | -         | PS3   | Rozen Maiden Ventura F diesel emissions Gee Welt up | 5pb.                         | 14/01/30     | 2,663           | 2,663           |
| 39      | 37        | 3DS   | New Super Mario Bros. 2                             | Nintendo                     | 12/7/2028    | 2,648           | 2,147,743       |
| Forty   | Eleven    | PSP   | 3 AnotherSky feat. Jinnan Corda                     | Tecmo Koei Games             | 14/01/23     | 2,480           | 12,540          |
| 41      | Ten       | Vita  | Utakumi 575                                         | SEGA                         | 14/01/23     | 2,288           | 12,821          |
| 42      | 31        | Vita  | Shin Gundam Musou                                   | NAMCO BANDAI Games           | 13/12/19     | 2,251           | 102,715         |
| 43      | -         | PSP   | Suzunonesebun! Portable                             | Alchemist                    | 14/01/30     | 2,130           | 2,130           |
| 44      | 38        | 3DS   | Aikatsu! My Princess two                            | NAMCO BANDAI Games           | 13/11/21     | 2,125           | 198,671         |
| 45      | 33        | PS3   | Shin Gundam Musou                                   | NAMCO BANDAI Games           | 13/12/19     | 2,033           | 213,430         |
| 46      | 35        | 3DS   | One Piece Unlimited World Red                       | NAMCO BANDAI Games           | 13/11/21     | 2,014           | 217,950         |
| 47      | 39        | 3DS   | Super Mario 3D Land                                 | Nintendo                     | 11/11/2003   | 1,956           | 1,960,826       |
| 48      | Forty     | Wii U | ~ John if master Taiko Wii U!                       | NAMCO BANDAI Games           | 13/11/21     | 1,826           | 113,159         |
| 49      | 36        | Vita  | Final Fantasy X HD Remastered                       | Square Enix                  | 13/12/26     | 1,686           | 41,874          |
| Fifty   | 43        | PSP   | World Soccer Winning Eleven 2014                    | KONAMI                       | 13/11/14     | 1,680           | 81,800          |
+---------+-----------+-------+-----------------------------------------------------+------------------------------+--------------+-----------------+-----------------+

Sell-through
[PS3] Mobile Suit Gundam Extreme Vs. Full Boost - 80%
[PS3] Diablo III - 80%

Software

+-------+-----------+-----------+------------+---------+
| Model | This Week | Week  (%) |  FY 2013   | FY  (%) |
+-------+-----------+-----------+------------+---------+
| PS3   | 453,544   | 51.30%    | 10,155,748 | 24.70%  |
| Vita  | 104,274   | 11.80%    | 3,180,230  | 7.70%   |
| PSP   | 42,385    | 4.80%     | 3,002,114  | 7.30%   |
| Wii U | 34,354    | 3.90%     | 2,647,653  | 6.40%   |
| Wii   | 8,446     | 1.00%     | 933,833    | 2.30%   |
| 3DS   | 234,430   | 26.50%    | 20,525,486 | 49.90%  |
| DS    | 2,957     | 0.30%     | 324,241    | 0.80%   |
| X360  | 2,864     | 0.30%     | 332,249    | 0.80%   |
+-------+-----------+-----------+------------+---------+
| Total | 883,254   | 100.00%   | 41,101,554 | 100.00% |
+-------+-----------+-----------+------------+---------+

Hardware

+------------+-----------+-----------+-----------+---------+
|   Model    | This Week | Week  (%) |  FY 2013  | FY  (%) |
+------------+-----------+-----------+-----------+---------+
| PS3        | 13,760    | 16.40%    | 609,595   | 9.20%   |
| Vita       | 20,477    | 24.40%    | 915,816   | 13.90%  |
| PS Vita TV | 1,194     | 1.40%     | 75,317    | 1.10%   |
| PSP        | 2,799     | 3.30%     | 241,905   | 3.70%   |
| Wii U      | 7,968     | 9.50%     | 749,733   | 11.40%  |
| Wii        | 272       | 0.30%     | 41,697    | 0.60%   |
| 3DS LL     | 25,777    | 30.70%    | 2,783,747 | 42.20%  |
| 3DS        | 11,332    | 13.50%    | 1,162,609 | 17.60%  |
| X360       | 265       | 0.30%     | 15,669    | 0.20%   |
+------------+-----------+-----------+-----------+---------+
| Total      | 83,844    | 100.00%   | 6,596,088 | 100.00% |
+------------+-----------+-----------+-----------+---------+

 

[And_Gignac]

The PS4 is going to bomb hard during its first year. It may start selling decently when the third wave of software hits.

And I don't think Donkey Kong's problem is install base. The game looks way to similar to the Wii installment. A NSMB-2 sized mess.

 

[Biker19]

PS4 is out in 12 days? D:

That's not too far away, if anything.

We'll first start seeing the numbers of PS4's sales in Japan by Week 8 (Going from February 17th to February 23rd).

 

[metalslimer]

God eater vita alone can shut up the incessant whining about hardware sales not being taken into account. Software sales don't scale linearly its a dumb argument

No one expected 3 million on the wiiu install base. It bombed regardless

 

[Apophis2036]

No one expected 3 million on the wiiu install base. It bombed regardless

What game are you talking about ?.

Also for a game to sell 3 million copies for WiiU in Japan every WiiU owner would have to buy two copies .

 

[metalslimer]

What game are you talking about ?.

Also for a game to sell 3 million copies for WiiU in Japan every WiiU owner would have to buy two copies .

I'm talking about wii fit u and you missed the point

 

[Darius]

God eater vita alone can shut up the incessant whining about hardware sales not being taken into account. Software sales don't scale linearly its a dumb argument

No one expected 3 million on the wiiu install base. It bombed regardless

That´s a really odd argument. God Eater and God Eater Burst sold considerably more than God Eater 2 on PSV. And that in 2013, which was PSPs 9th year on the market, a large part of the userbase would be inactive is common sense and to be expected.

 

[Apophis2036]

I'm talking about wii fit u and you missed the point

How many copies did you personally expect Wii Fit U to sell in Japan on a 1.6 million install base ?. Didn't the last Wii Fit on the original Wii sell barely 100k ?, that fad ended long ago...

Edit -

A lot worse than I thought lol, this one -

[WII] Wii Fit Plus: Wii Balance Board Set Black <HOB> (Nintendo) {2011.12.04} (¥9.800) - 436 / 436 <1,87%>

 

[TaiKH92]

The 3DS doesn't sell like it used to.

Poor Wii Flop U.

 

[Anth0ny]

[WIU] Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze - fucking 19pt

 

[metalslimer]

That´s a really odd argument. God Eater and God Eater Burst sold considerably more than God Eater 2 on PSV. And that in 2013 which was PSPs 9th year in the market a large part of the userbase would be inactive is common sense and to be expected.

The argument is not that games aren't going to sell less with a smaller userbase. I'm saying that a significant drop to wii fit u is not excused by hardware sales

 

[Biker19]

The 3DS doesn't sell like it used to.

Poor Wii Flop U.

I agree. 3DS is already starting to become saturated in sales everywhere & will most likely not even reach GBA's total sales numbers (which was at nearly 82 million worldwide while 3DS is now only at nearly 43 million worldwide).

They need more compelling games like they did with Monster Hunter 4 or something.

And Wii U...it's just a disaster everywhere.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Shadow Fall and Knack were launch games, two of the only exclusive retail launch games which were also bundled at that.

NSMBU for WiiU was an exclusive launch game and also sold extremely well.

They weren't bundled in the US afaik.

And the overarching point remains; DK will be a sales failure in the series. Wii Fit U is a failure. They also failed/will fail to do anything to improve the hardware situation substantially. That their failure is due to being on a failed system doesn't change that they failed.

 

[Apophis2036]

The argument is not that games aren't going to sell less with a smaller userbase. I'm saying that a significant drop to wii fit u is not excused by hardware sales

I wasn't even talking about Wii Fit U tbh, I was posting in reply to Chris' post in which he said he looked into his crystal ball and saw that Tropical Freeze was selling less than Returns 3D.

That's more than obvious since one of them has 15 million potential customers to sell to and the other has 1.6 million.

Now I agree that it should still be selling at least 250 000 in it's lifetime on WiiU (install base cannot be used to cover up complete software sales failures) but comparing TF to Returns 3D is just setting the game up for failure.

Also as NSMB U and Mario 3D World show, first party Nintendo games have incredibly strong legs so even if TF only sells 50 000 in it's first week I would still expect it to hit 250 000 before the end of the year.

 

[dolemite]

Donkey Kong is going to bomb on WiiU, noooo.

 

[DaBoss]

The 3DS needs a more compelling price. Thing is way too expensive in today's market.

I really hope Nintendo and Sony take into account for their next handheld (I'm kinda doubtful about Sony about this) that they should go for a lower price for handheld hardware above all else.

 

[Biker19]

The 3DS needs a more compelling price. Thing is way too expensive in today's market.

I really hope Nintendo and Sony take into account for their next handheld (I'm kinda doubtful about Sony about this) that they should go for a lower price for handheld hardware above all else.

I don't think we'll be seeing a 3rd Playstation handheld from Sony. And Nintendo has a lot more to lose here than Sony does, as Nintendo also relies on their handhelds besides their consoles for profitability.

 

[Tripon]

I think its a given that Wii U software generally, and as a whole will sell less than previous generations, and against 3DS software. Not sure why anyone is arguing with that, and I would rather move the topic to what are actual sale figures.

I'm putting Donkey Kong: Expand Dong edition at 70,000 first week. If I overshoot, send me to Vallahaha.

 

[metalslimer]

Returns 3d outselling tf should not be some guaranteed thing given 3d was a port and they spent significantly more on this sequel. If that's the case dkc tf is completely pointless.

 

[shinra-bansho]

I think its a given that Wii U software generally, and as a whole will sell less than previous generations, and against 3DS software. Not sure why anyone is arguing with that, and I would rather move the topic to what are actual sale figures.

I'm putting Donkey Kong: Expand Dong edition at 70,000 first week. If I overshoot, send me to Vallahaha.

No one's arguing against the notion that it will probably sell less (although it shouldn't be taken as a given since this is a new entry and not a port); but people dispute the notion that the terrible Wii U software sales in general excuses poor sales of a franchise entry and turns failure into success.

It's like saying well the Vita may only be selling a few tens of thousands a month in the US, but that's expected and that's pretty good considering the rise of smartphones and tablets. Look how well it's doing.