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[OmegaTreeFish]

That's not true.
There's EDF, PSO2, Lords of Arcana, etc. There's lots of Hunting Action games on Vita. (BTW, I hate the term Monster Hunter clone, it's so stupid... there's millions of games of the same type, why not call it by the genre?)

BTW, Ragnarok Odyssey did 100k numbers. And it's not really that good game. How can't Soul Sacrifice get more than that, when it's a much better game and being much more advertised in Japan and everywhere??



Makes sense. I stand corrected.

I agree. The term monster hunter clone is terrible. For a start PSO and PSO2 are nothing like monster hunter. Ragnarok isn't even really like monster hunter. Even God Eater which is prob the closest one is still very different.

They are just action RPG's arn't they?

P.S. out of all of the 'monster hunter clones' Monster hunter is the only one I find truly dull.

 

[yellowjacket25]

That people didn't take time to discuss about how DW8 opened worse than DW7 is an argument to support your statement that people only talk about bad sales in the MC thread?

I guess people were too busy focusing on the bad sales of Senran Kagura.

People didn't take time to discuss it because no one cares about it. Its actual sales didn't even matter. Nobody has any emotional investment in whether it sells well or poorly. If it sold a million or just 5 copies, no one would have mentioned it. You are completely missing the point I was trying to make.

 

[Road]

With SS releasing tomorrow, it will have the entire week to amass sales for the next MC! :O Can't wait to see how it fares.

???

Every week of sales is from Monday to Sunday. Soul Sacrifice, as 99.3% of all games, is released Thursday. Thus it has 4 days of sales.

People didn't take time to discuss it because no one cares about it. Its actual sales didn't even matter. Nobody has any emotional investment in whether it sells well or poorly. If it sold a million or just 5 copies, no one would have mentioned it. You are completely missing the point I was trying to make.

So, your point is "people only talk about games they care about" instead of "people only talk about bad sales" ?

If yes, then, I agree.

 

[airmangataosenai]

Calling EDF a MonHun clone seems like a pretty big stretch to me.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

EDF is nothing like Monster Hunter except that there are things that are bigger than you.

It's like saying Mega Man X is a monster hunter clone because all the bosses are animals.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

well maybe they feel the Vita is the hardware that suits there games the best. Then its the hope that if they make the content, more people will buy Vitas and then their games.

God Eater 2 is a PSP game (ie: entirely within the realms of 3DS capability) and PSO2 seems like a conceptual mismatch for any handheld (online only, no local multi). While I think you can use this sort if argument for various Vita projects, it really doesn't seem to apply in these two cases objectively.

If anything, I'd be more inclined to think both ports were the result of heavy incentivising on Sony's part after losing Monster Hunter.

 

[Nirolak]

Mario is my favorite Monster Hunter clone. Teaming up with three other people to take down a Koopa monster is intense.

 

[muu]

What's worrying is that Sega has nothing in JP for 3DS, Miku was the last or Rhythm Thief were, what are you thinking Sega?

Shining series I'd say is likely to move to 3DS more than Vita, but again, Sega's put their eggs on Vita for some weird reason.

Sega wouldn't be Sega if they made good business decisions.

 

[Celine]

Mario is my favorite Monster Hunter clone. Teaming up with three other people to take down a Koopa monster is intense.

Mario is better than MH for sure

 

[OmegaTreeFish]

EDF is nothing like Monster Hunter except that there are things that are bigger than you.

It's like saying Mega Man X is a monster hunter clone because all the bosses are animals.

yes.

The point really is that it seems any game that is 3rd person, mission based, item based is instantly classed as a monster hunter clone by a lot of people. Which is all kinds of wrong.

People don't call all FPS's doom clones (or wolfenstein clones if ya extra hardcore).

God Eater 2 is a PSP game (ie: entirely within the realms of 3DS capability) and PSO2 seems like a conceptual mismatch for any handheld (online only, no local multi). While I think you can use this sort if argument for various Vita projects, it really doesn't seem to apply in these two cases objectively.

If anything, I'd be more inclined to think both ports were the result of heavy incentivising on Sony's part after losing Monster Hunter.

God Eater works a damn sight better with 2 sticks (no way I would have played it with the claw technique, but i loved it on my vita with second stick for camera).

PSO2 wouldn't work on 3ds and can be played over 3g so why is that not OK for handhelds?

Monster hunter would also work better on Vita. Would actually get a nice visual boost but most importantly that crappy camera could be fixed.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

Namco created God Eater because MH was a huge success. Sega brought Phantasy Star to PSP because MH was a huge success. Ragnarok became a 4p hunting game because MH was a huge success.

Let's not act like MH didn't have an impact on many games, old and new IPs alike.

 

[Nirolak]

Namco created God Eater because MH was a huge success. Sega brought Phantasy Star to PSP because MH was a huge success. Ragnarok became a 4p hunting game because MH was a huge success.

Let's not act like MH didn't have an impact on many games, old and new IPs alike.

Sure, but I don't saying EDF isn't a Monster Hunter clone is equivalent to saying Monster Hunter didn't have an impact on the industry.

 

[Father_Brain]

I think SS is much less important than most people assume it is - neither bomba (unless it's really huge like 50k lifetime) nor big success (250-300k) will matter much in the big picture - titles that Vita will receive for May, June, and Q3 will be lot more important.
Another holidays like 2012 one with single minor game would sink any chances system has.

SS is important because once it and ToHR ship, there is literally no upcoming Vita-exclusive software of note currently announced for 2013. Multiplats like FFX HD or GE2 might sell somewhat better, but vastly better? Not a chance.

I'm not sure whether your intent is to keep playing the "wait for E3/Gamescom/TGS/Vita Heaven" game, but the bolded bit sure sounds like you think Sony might still be inexplicably sitting on big, system-selling software announcements, even when event after event has failed to deliver in that regard.

That's also good point- Sony has much deeper pockets than Sega at that time and much more to lose if they discontinued system (it would sink peoples faith in PS4).

Yep, discontinuing Vita would really screw over the tens of millions of Vita owners worldwide, the third parties that have made massive investments in supporting it, and the retailers that are counting on it to sell this year in the absence of any new hardware.

Oh, wait.

It's almost certainly an unsalvageable failure. I don't know exactly when Sony will pull the plug, but it's fair to say that the vast majority of the damage it's caused to Sony, SCE, and the PlayStation brand has already been done.

 

[Nirolak]

SS is important because once it and ToHR ship, there is literally no upcoming Vita-exclusive software of note currently announced for 2013. Multiplats like FFX HD or GE2 might sell somewhat better, but vastlybetter? Not a chance.

I'm not sure whether your intent is to keep playing the "wait for E3/Gamescom/TGS/Vita Heaven" game, but the bolded bit sure sounds like you think Sony might still be inexplicably sitting on big, system-selling software announcements, even when event after event has failed to deliver in that regard.

Out of curiosity, has there ever been a platform that did not have an impressive third party line-up announced before launch that turned out to actually have one in the end?

 

[darkside31337]

So whatever happened to that 3rd party Nintendo Direct for the Wii U? Wasn't that supposed to be a thing?

 

[BishopLamont]

Somehow I see Magi having legs. Where was Toriko when we last saw it? Same with Grandpa Danger and Gon?

Magi actually has a 75-100% ST rate.

 

[Mondriaan]

I like the humor involved with PSO being called a MH clone even though PSO came out first because it highlights how stupid calling games MH clones really is. (EDF, a MH clone- really?)

 

[yellowjacket25]

So, your point is "people only talk about games they care about" instead of "people only talk about bad sales" ?

If yes, then, I agree.

My point in bringing up Dynasty Warriors was that it was the best selling game of the week and no one even mentioned it at all, because no one cares. There is no reason to rag on it, and games don't get praised in sales threads very much anyways. Now if it were a really popular game that sold less than expectations, there would be 20 pages of people giving their opinion about it. If it sold above expectations there might be one page. Negativity drives the sales threads. If there is something to be negative about then the thread will be much much larger, with many more people participating.

 

[OmegaTreeFish]

Namco created God Eater because MH was a huge success. Sega brought Phantasy Star to PSP because MH was a huge success. Ragnarok became a 4p hunting game because MH was a huge success.

Let's not act like MH didn't have an impact on many games, old and new IPs alike.

no one is saying it didn't. But they arn't clones. Monster hunter isn't a genre or the first game of its kind to ever exist.

its just a crappy term.

 

[Meelow]

So whatever happened to that 3rd party Nintendo Direct for the Wii U? Wasn't that supposed to be a thing?

It should be this month since Nintendo usually does a big ND every two months and the last big one for Wii U was in January.

 

[DaBoss]

My point in bringing up Dynasty Warriors was that it was the best selling game of the week and no one even mentioned it at all, because no one cares. There is no reason to rag on it, and games don't get praised in sales threads very much anyways. Now if it were a really popular game that sold less than expectations, there would be 20 pages of people giving their opinion about it. If it sold above expectations there might be one page. Negativity drives the sales threads. If there is something to be negative about then the thread will be much much larger, with many more people participating.

I don't think you should be using this thread as an example. All eyes are on Vita since it is pricedrop week thus more attention is given to the Vita.

 

[DrWong]

My point in bringing up Dynasty Warriors was that it was the best selling game of the week and no one even mentioned it at all, because no one cares.

Because, apart from acknowledging the 50K drop, DW8 doesn't really impact the today Jp gaming industry (and PS3 situation) like the Vita, Wii U, or ACNL numbers.

I think you're just upset about some posters because console warz. I't's just that you're trying to take a "superior posture" to express your feeling.

 

[wrowa]

My point in bringing up Dynasty Warriors was that it was the best selling game of the week and no one even mentioned it at all, because no one cares. There is no reason to rag on it, and games don't get praised in sales threads very much anyways. Now if it were a really popular game that sold less than expectations, there would be 20 pages of people giving their opinion about it. If it sold above expectations there might be one page. Negativity drives the sales threads. If there is something to be negative about then the thread will be much much larger, with many more people participating.

Dynasty Warriors is just not a very interesting release, that is all. It's selling about the same as its predecessor, which is what everyone expected anyway. These threads aren't for praising sales, but for discussion. What is there to discuss about Dynasty Warriors' sales? Pretty much nothing.

 

[Kandinsky]

Amazing Vita/PSO2 numbers, really, really happy right now, might throw a party tonight.

 

[Hero of Legend]

Magi actually has a 75-100% ST rate.

Sell-through? So it could be stock issues.

 

[Kazerei]

My point in bringing up Dynasty Warriors was that it was the best selling game of the week and no one even mentioned it at all, because no one cares. There is no reason to rag on it, and games don't get praised in sales threads very much anyways. Now if it were a really popular game that sold less than expectations, there would be 20 pages of people giving their opinion about it. If it sold above expectations there might be one page. Negativity drives the sales threads. If there is something to be negative about then the thread will be much much larger, with many more people participating.

Sure they do. It's just that there's been more bad news than good news over the past year or so.

 

[L Thammy]

The Monster Hunter clone test is this. If the game's cover has a person with a huge weapon being stared down by a giant monster with an open mouth, it's selling to MH fans. Look at the cover of Valhalla Knights 2, then the original Valhalla Knights.

And the genre is called "hunting action", for the record.

Everyone still talking about the Vita being dead. No one really mentioning how bad the Wii U is floundering. That console is just as dead as Vita has been. Looks terrible and PS4 will murder it in Japan this holiday season, regardless of Mario.

Yeah, the Wii U should get equal treatment. Since both systems just has a "relaunch" with a price drop and a number of software releases everyone should talk about both equally.

 

[Misterhbk]

Everyone still talking about the Vita being dead. No one really mentioning how bad the Wii U is floundering. That console is just as dead as Vita has been. Looks terrible and PS4 will murder it in Japan this holiday season, regardless of Mario.

 

[BishopLamont]

People didn't take time to discuss it because no one cares about it. Its actual sales didn't even matter. Nobody has any emotional investment in whether it sells well or poorly. If it sold a million or just 5 copies, no one would have mentioned it. You are completely missing the point I was trying to make.

SHOCKING NEWS: People talk about things that they're interested in.

 

[Father_Brain]

Out of curiosity, has there ever been a platform that did not have an impressive third party line-up announced before launch that turned out to actually have one in the end?

One could make a case for DS (FFIII, IIRC, was the only major third-party title properly announced prior to launch) and, to a lesser extent, PSP (Crisis Core plus a ton of ports).

But the former had first-party software to give it a boost, and the latter both performed much more strongly out of the gate and had more enthusiasm from nearly every major third party, at least at first.

 

[ambientmystic]

Been waitin' for this thread for quite a while...

Looks like Wii U's stabilizing at around the 10k mark, which is okayish. Was expecting it to go even lower, but it seems like for now, 10k is the baseline.

Vita, vita, vita. Nice(r) numbers, but I was expecting higher sales. It seems like the 1 - 2 combo of animated hooters and the price drop wasn't enough to propel it beyond the stratosphere that is the 3DS. Which is unfortunate, as this was the best and possibly the only shot that the Vita had to do it.

I'm not very optimistic about SS's ability to drive Vita sales at this point; If massive oppai failed to push it beyond the 100k barrier, what chance does a Monhun clone have at this point?

 

[schuelma]

Everyone still talking about the Vita being dead. No one really mentioning how bad the Wii U is floundering. That console is just as dead as Vita has been. Looks terrible and PS4 will murder it in Japan this holiday season, regardless of Mario.

Ok

 

[Boney]

AC scares the bejesus out of me

 

[wrowa]

Everyone still talking about the Vita being dead. No one really mentioning how bad the Wii U is floundering. That console is just as dead as Vita has been. Looks terrible and PS4 will murder it in Japan this holiday season, regardless of Mario.

Did you ever take a look at this years' threads? Wii U doing horribly has been the number 1 topic the past few months.

Edit: Also, considering how the PS3 did at launch in Japan, I think it might be a little naive to expect great PS4 sales out of the gate. It likely won't happen.

 

[metalslimer]

Oh give me a break we're back to the everyone is biased discussion again? Hate to break it to you but regardless of the reason of why Vita software sales are abysmal they are still abysmal and that doesn't change that fact. You could make the same argument for any failing platform and it would still hold true. It's the same song dance people use to try and excuse when a game fails. Regardless of the reason it failed, it still failed and the excuses don't change a thing. Just like 3rd party developers look at the wii as a sign of not investing in Wii U and regardless of the reason why Wii 3rd party software didn't live up to the hardware sales, it didnt. And any publisher has already decided to give up on Vita, some games selling 100k isn't going to put them on alert to suddenly stop their investments elsewhere and go back.

Everyone still talking about the Vita being dead. No one really mentioning how bad the Wii U is floundering. That console is just as dead as Vita has been. Looks terrible and PS4 will murder it in Japan this holiday season, regardless of Mario.

First of all try reading more than one of these threads and you'll see how much Wii U is discussed. Second, good luck with an expensive PS4 killing anything besides itself this holiday.

 

[serplux]

Everyone still talking about the Vita being dead. No one really mentioning how bad the Wii U is floundering. That console is just as dead as Vita has been. Looks terrible and PS4 will murder it in Japan this holiday season, regardless of Mario.

You sure about that? Are you sure that a system with Mario Kart/3D Mario (granted, 3D Mario isn't much of a thing in Japan, but it's still around a million seller), or possibly both will not sell in Japan? This isn't a Vita situation, where literally nothing on that system has passed 250,000 in software sales (NSMBU and Nintendo Land already have), or where there are no notable exclusives (Wii U has Nintendo games).

Who knows if the PS4 will actually have games appealing to the Japanese audience? It certainly doesn't look like they're focusing on them. In the end though, it won't really matter because of the 3DS dominance. It's all for second place.

 

[Celine]

Amazing Vita/PSO2 numbers, really, really happy right now, might throw a party tonight.

Not that great actually.
SK performance is much more surprising.

 

[metalslimer]

Not that great actually.
SK performance is much more surprising.

For a game that it was free elsewhere the fact that it sold over 50k LTD is astonishing. Goes to show how there is still a strong retail over DD culture in Japan.

 

[Magicpaint]

Everyone still talking about the Vita being dead. No one really mentioning how bad the Wii U is floundering. That console is just as dead as Vita has been. Looks terrible and PS4 will murder it in Japan this holiday season, regardless of Mario.

Are you new to these threads? The Vita price drop was by far the big thing of the week so naturally that created some diversion from the usual talk regarding WiiU (also helps that it didn't drop even below the 9k baseline this week, but actually increased), but the WiiU's terrible sales have been noted week over week and certainly still in this thread, even.

 

[RM8]

I actually feel like Vita could keep -decent- numbers now post price drop, plus Soul Sacrifice is bound to move some units by virtue of being a new Vita game that also happens to look realy nice. Please, happen.

 

[Maedhros]

Namco created God Eater because MH was a huge success. Sega brought Phantasy Star to PSP because MH was a huge success. Ragnarok became a 4p hunting game because MH was a huge success.

Let's not act like MH didn't have an impact on many games, old and new IPs alike.

So what? They carved they own niche. They are very different from each other.
----
How was the market reacting before the announcement of Monster Hunter on PSP?

 

[Celine]

For a game that it was free elsewhere the fact that it sold over 50k LTD is astonishing. Goes to show how there is still a strong retail over DD culture in Japan.

That and portable + buttons.
Still a small number.

 

[yellowjacket25]

SHOCKING NEWS: People talk about things that they're interested in.

Congrats. You completely missed the point.

 

[cw_sasuke]

Everyone still talking about the Vita being dead. No one really mentioning how bad the Wii U is floundering. That console is just as dead as Vita has been. Looks terrible and PS4 will murder it in Japan this holiday season, regardless of Mario.

Lets see what Sony will have at launch and what Nintendo have ready by then

 

[serplux]

Namco created God Eater because MH was a huge success. Sega brought Phantasy Star to PSP because MH was a huge success. Ragnarok became a 4p hunting game because MH was a huge success.

Let's not act like MH didn't have an impact on many games, old and new IPs alike.

Has the Monster Hunter clone genre made much of a move over to the 3DS? We see all of these Animal Crossing-esque games left and right, but all we really have for Monster Hunter is the market leader.

 

[Celine]

Everyone still talking about the Vita being dead. No one really mentioning how bad the Wii U is floundering. That console is just as dead as Vita has been. Looks terrible and PS4 will murder it in Japan this holiday season, regardless of Mario.

I wouldn't be so sure...

 

[Captain Smoker]

Everyone still talking about the Vita being dead. No one really mentioning how bad the Wii U is floundering. That console is just as dead as Vita has been. Looks terrible and PS4 will murder it in Japan this holiday season, regardless of Mario.

 

[Road]

My point in bringing up Dynasty Warriors was that it was the best selling game of the week and no one even mentioned it at all, because no one cares. There is no reason to rag on it, and games don't get praised in sales threads very much anyways. Now if it were a really popular game that sold less than expectations, there would be 20 pages of people giving their opinion about it. If it sold above expectations there might be one page. Negativity drives the sales threads. If there is something to be negative about then the thread will be much much larger, with many more people participating.

Well, then I'll just repeat what others have already explained to you, that good sales are still talked about and that people do talk a lot about bad sales too, but it often involves trying to understand why it was so bad and/or how it could not be bad, not simply a "dancing on the grave", negativity type of discussion.

There's obviously fanboyish comments, but again, in both sides of the spectrum, good and bad sales.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

God Eater works a damn sight better with 2 sticks (no way I would have played it with the claw technique, but i loved it on my vita with second stick for camera).

PSO2 wouldn't work on 3ds and can be played over 3g so why is that not OK for handhelds?

Monster hunter would also work better on Vita. Would actually get a nice visual boost but most importantly that crappy camera could be fixed.

3DS also offers optional dual sticks. Again, there's pretty much nothing about GE2 that couldn't be done on 3DS, so why isn't it as "well suited" as PSP/Vita?

PSO2 probably couldn't be done on 3DS, but then I see little point in it being on any handheld really without local multi and requiring an always online connection. Sega should've ported it consoles if they wanted ti widen it's userbase in Japan.

 

[metalslimer]

Congrats. You completely missed the point.

What in the world do you expect? Do you expect people to suddenly be interested in a game selling average numbers? What is there to discuss about it? What should be said about it? We saw last week Rising was discussed a lot because people were happy it sold well. Positivity also drives these threads and you're focusing specifically on one instance. One of the longest MC threads was the week NSMBW came out and smashed expectations going forward. Vita's sales are only being talked about because it has been a disaster which no one ever expected.