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Modern NBA is garbage

Catphish

Member
I'm a Chicago kid, and the late 80s and the 90s were my NBA jam. Jordan, Bird, Magic, Barkley, Miller, etc. That was a great time for basketball, and I loved it. But, after Jordan retired and the Bulls started to suck consistently, I dipped out and started to focus more on other winter sports, like hockey & soccer, for most of the early 2000s.

Then my kid was born and I stopped following almost all of it. Too time consuming, and too expensive, even just to watch on TV, as a cable package was necessary (no more over-the-air broadcasts), although I did jump back in for a bit after we picked up Derrick Rose. Since then, I've only had a distant, passive interest in the NBA. I'd heard a bit about how the game has changed; about the reliance on the 3-pointer, the end of physical contact, and the death of the mid-range jumper, and that was honestly enough to keep me away.

Well, my kid's much older now, and Chicago winter sports have seemingly decoupled from cable and are now broadcasting OTA again. That, combined with me picking up NBA 2K25 for PC (which is fucking awesome), has started to rekindle a bit of NBA interest. However, I'm stuck in the past. When I play NBA 2K25, I tend to stay in the 90's/Jordan era, if for no other reason, because of my familiarity with the players. And I've been watching the old 90s NBA Finals on the NBA website, just kinda getting lost in the nostalgia of it, as I wait for the new season to kick off. I've watched a few videos about modern teams, modern ball, and I really wasn't too keen on it, to be honest, but wanted to keep an open mind. Well, last night, I watched the Bulls play their first pre-season game against the Cavs, and I gotta tell you: The difference between the Bulls (and the NBA in general) of the 90s, and the NBA of this time, is fucking stark, and so very disappointing.

Defense is almost unrecognizable to me. In the 90s, it was all man-to-man. Now it's this zone, or zone-hybrid shit. Dudes are camped out in the post and just release their mark when they move so far away from them. On offense, there's very little commitment to drive to the inside. At the first sign of resistance, these guys dish out for a 3 that usually bricks. And that's another thing: so many 3-point attempts, often from players that have no business taking them. You got 7' Cs and PFs clanging 3s on every other possession. Where's the patience to set up an offense? To muscle into the low post? To dish for a mid-range jumper when you draw a double-team? Not in this NBA. 3 after 3 after 3, and scores that are ridiculously higher than what they used to be. In the 90s, scores tended to be near 100. What's the average now? 120? 130? The fuck?

Further, since no one drives the inside, there are fewer fouls, and much lower chance of being in late-game foul trouble. That takes a huge part of the strategy out of the game. And don't even get me started on "load management". Players sitting out when they're perfectly healthy, because they want to save themselves for a more important game, or other bullshit excuse? Fucking guys in the 90s strived to play EVERY game, often with mild injuries. The fuck is this shit?

I dunno. I'm done ranting. Just wanted to vent. I don't think this interest of mine in modern basketball will last very long. In fact, it's probably already dead. But at least I have NBA 2K25 to revel in the golden era of what used to be my favorite sport.
 
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Hrk69

Member

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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol whats funny is that everyone in basketball courts around my neighborhood plays the same way. I tried watching these kids play a few times and everyone was taking three pointers. very few tried to go for layups. like once every five minutes. the athleticism is gone. when i was in high school, every kid was trying to be jordan or kobe. it was fun to watch.

Baseball and Football are the same. This tweet blew up the other day of this quarterback getting sacked, and the refs calling it unncessary roughness. it was a clean tackle. but no, cant have the quarterback get injured.

Baseball is so fucking boring to watch i want the late 90s and early 2000s steroid hitters back. Every pitcher throws a hundred miles an hour nowadays and there is a new one coming out of the bullpen every inning. if you dont score runs in the first five innings, you are done. hitters are taught to go for homeruns so these little 5 foot 8 kids are going up there trying to be babe ruth. of course it doesnt work and they either fly out or strike out. boring as fuck.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Oh and I want to give a shout out to soccer. it's faster than every before. Players are insanely fast. But they cant fucking shoot. those days of messi, iniensta, ronaldhino and ronaldo just putting on a show are long gone. Now everyone can run but cant finish.

unlike baseball though, its still fun to watch because its slightly faster paced than it used to be, but scoring is still very low because no one can finish.
 

Sleepwalker

Member
It's better now IMO, I picked up basketball as an adult so I have no nostalgia for any of it.

I went back and watched some older footage and I just found no love for it, I'm not knocking it but its probably a "if you weren't there you wouldnt understand" kind of thing. Which I understand because I absolutely think football (soccer) peaked in the 2000s to mid 2010s and sucks now.

The bulls are ass tho and it's preseason so teams are bound to try whacky shit.
 
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analog_future

Resident Crybaby
I'm a Chicago kid, and the late 80s and the 90s were my NBA jam. Jordan, Bird, Magic, Barkley, Miller, etc. That was a great time for basketball, and I loved it. But, after Jordan retired and the Bulls started to suck consistently, I dipped out and started to focus more on other winter sports, like hockey & soccer, for most of the early 2000s.

Then my kid was born and I stopped following almost all of it. Too time consuming, and too expensive, even just to watch on TV, as a cable package was necessary (no more over-the-air broadcasts), although I did jump back in for a bit after we picked up Derrick Rose). Since then, I've only had a distant, passive interest in the NBA. I'd heard a bit about how the game has changed; about the reliance on the 3-pointer, the end of physical contact, and the death of the mid-range jumper, and that was honestly enough to keep me away.

Well, my kid's much older now, and Chicago winter sports have seemingly decoupled from cable and are now broadcasting OTA again. That, combined with me picking up NBA 2K25 for PC (which is fucking awesome), has started to rekindle a bit of NBA interest. However, I'm stuck in the past. When I play NBA 2K25, I tend to stay in the 90's/Jordan era, if for no other reason, because of my familiarity with the players. And I've been watching the old 90s NBA Finals on the NBA website, just kinda getting lost in the nostalgia of it, as I wait for the new season to kick off. I've watched a few videos about modern teams, modern ball, and I really wasn't too keen on it, to be honest, but wanted to keep an open mind. Well, last night, I watched the Bulls play their first pre-season game against the Cavs, and I gotta tell you: The difference between the Bulls (and the NBA in general) of the 90s, and the NBA of this time, is fucking stark, and so very disappointing.

Defense is almost unrecognizable to me. In the 90s, it was all man-to-man. Now it's this zone, or zone-hybrid shit. Dudes are camped out in the post and just release their mark when the move so far away from them. On offense, there's very little commitment to drive to the inside. At the first sign of resistance, these guys dish out for a 3 that usually bricks. And that's another thing: so many 3-point attempts, often from players that have no business taking them. You got 7' Cs and PFs clanging 3s on every other possession. Where's the patience to set up an offense? To muscle into the low post? To dish for a mid-range jumper when you draw a double-team? Not in this NBA. 3 after 3 after 3, and scores that are ridiculously higher than what they used to be. In the 90s, scores tended to be near 100. What's the average now? 120? 130? The fuck?

Further, since no one drives the inside, there are fewer fouls, and much lower chance of being in late-game foul trouble. That takes a huge part of the strategy out of the game. And don't even get me started on "load management". Player sitting out when they're perfectly healthy, because they want to save themselves for a more important game, or other bullshit excuse? Fucking guys in the 90s strived to play EVERY game, often with mild injuries. The fuck is this shit?

I dunno. I'm done ranting. Just wanted to vent. I don't think this interest of mine in modern basketball will last very long. In fact, it's probably already dead. But at least I have NBA 2K25 to revel in the golden era of what used to be my favorite sport.

Someone from Chicago loved the NBA in the 90s and not now...!?

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IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Personal opinion, but all American sports suck.

That's why Football (soccer for you Americans) will soon be the dominant sport in the USA. Even other English sports, such as Rugby and Cricket are gaining popularity in the US.

OP, your city has a Rugby team. Get onto supporting them and enjoy one of England's greatest exports.

 

BigBeauford

Member
Personal opinion, but all American sports suck.

That's why Football (soccer for you Americans) will soon be the dominant sport in the USA. Even other English sports, such as Rugby and Cricket are gaining popularity in the US.

OP, your city has a Rugby team. Get onto supporting them and enjoy one of England's greatest exports.

Football would have to be made illegal before that ever happens. No shot, the NFL is culture. 93 of the top 100 most watched programs are NFL games. It's really the best product on TV for my money despite the commercials.
 

Aesius

Member
Personal opinion, but all American sports suck.

That's why Football (soccer for you Americans) will soon be the dominant sport in the USA. Even other English sports, such as Rugby and Cricket are gaining popularity in the US.

OP, your city has a Rugby team. Get onto supporting them and enjoy one of England's greatest exports.

"I don't understand something so I think it sucks"

Soccer isn't going to be the dominant sport here anytime soon. No one gives a shit about soccer in America. It's a sport for little kids so they can burn off some energy by running back and forth non-stop while not doing anything requiring much in the way of skill (not saying there isn't skill involved--there is, but not among most of the kids who play in America). No one takes it seriously compared to football, baseball, and basketball.

The only way it becomes the dominant sport is if football gets outlawed and basketball and baseball are hit with massive scandals or something. Those sports are too deeply entrenched in American culture to be replaced with soccer.
 

BigBeauford

Member
"I don't understand something so I think it sucks"

Soccer isn't going to be the dominant sport here anytime soon. No one gives a shit about soccer in America. It's a sport for little kids so they can burn off some energy by running back and forth non-stop while not doing anything requiring much in the way of skill (not saying there isn't skill involved--there is, but not among most of the kids who play in America). No one takes it seriously compared to football, baseball, and basketball.

The only way it becomes the dominant sport is if football gets outlawed and basketball and baseball are hit with massive scandals or something. Those sports are too deeply entrenched in American culture to be replaced with soccer.
The gall of someone who watches a sport where they dress up in Hockey Pads to hit a baseball with a spanking paddle saying our sports suck.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Football would have to be made illegal before that ever happens. No shot, the NFL is culture. 93 of the top 100 most watched programs are NFL games. It's really the best product on TV for my money despite the commercials.

For now. It's only a matter of time before the real football takes over as the number one sport. The 2026 world cup will help speed up this process.

"I don't understand something so I think it sucks"

That's funny because.......

It's a sport for little kids so they can burn off some energy by running back and forth non-stop while not doing anything requiring much in the way of skill (not saying there isn't skill involved--there is, but not among most of the kids who play in America).

The USA has produced some fantastic players. US players currently are playing in the top leagues in Europe. Real Football is the most skillful team sport on earth, which is why it's the most watched sport on earth.

The only way it becomes the dominant sport is if football gets outlawed and basketball and baseball are hit with massive scandals or something. Those sports are too deeply entrenched in American culture to be replaced with soccer.

I disagree. American sports will soon be replaced by the beautiful game. It's only a matter of time. The US is not only co hosting the world cup in 2026 (the biggest sporting event on the planet watched by billions), but also hosting the first new club world cup.

Kids in America soon won't want to play/watch American Football, Basketball, Baseball or ice hockey. They'll only want to play the beautiful game.

Rugby (a real mans game) will also become dominant in the US soon, especially with the US hosting the world cup in 2031.

That's my honest prediction.
 

SpiceRacz

Member
Modern NBA is a better product than 90s basketball. I do appreciate that style of play. It was way more guys just operating in the post. Lots of iso ball and mid range shots. More physicality, sure, but it’s also played at a slower pace.
 

Catphish

Member
For now. It's only a matter of time before the real football takes over as the number one sport. The 2026 world cup will help speed up this process.



That's funny because.......



The USA has produced some fantastic players. US players currently are playing in the top leagues in Europe. Real Football is the most skillful team sport on earth, which is why it's the most watched sport on earth.



I disagree. American sports will soon be replaced by the beautiful game. It's only a matter of time. The US is not only co hosting the world cup in 2026 (the biggest sporting event on the planet watched by billions), but also hosting the first new club world cup.

Kids in America soon won't want to play/watch American Football, Basketball, Baseball or ice hockey. They'll only want to play the beautiful game.

Rugby (a real mans game) will also become dominant in the US soon, especially with the US hosting the world cup in 2031.

That's my honest prediction.
You're honestly high. Your prediction has zero chance of coming true.

Less than zero.
 

Ristifer

Member
Soccer blows. And you can tell it blows by the way the announcers call the matches. Long periods of nothing and they're hitting the roof because of a decent pass or because someone finally getting a corner kick. They might as well narrate my sex life, if they're going to get that excited about nothing.
 

Catphish

Member
I like soccer, but what turns me completely off to it is the flopping/diving. Far too much theater. Play honest, or don't play.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
You're honestly high. Your prediction has zero chance of coming true.

Less than zero.

Time will tell.

Soccer blows. And you can tell it blows by the way the announcers call the matches. Long periods of nothing and they're hitting the roof because of a decent pass or because someone finally getting a corner kick. They might as well narrate my sex life, if they're going to get that excited about nothing.

Sounds like your describing all American sports.

Because you clearly can't be describing real football.
 

Catphish

Member
Time will tell.
It already has:


In spite of the US hosting the World Cup in '94 with record attendance, and the creation of MLS, soccer can't get out of single-digit percentages of fandom in the US.

Soccer will always be niche. Football (gridiron) is king here, and always will be. Or, if it isn't, what usurps it will most certainly not be soccer.
 

EverydayBeast

ChatGPT 0.1
I think Chicago bulls today are limited offensively, adding lonzo ball will get them rolling in the right direction, you still have hope in Zach levine, being a Chicago bull matters, we haven’t heard about them since the drose era.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
It already has:


In spite of the US hosting the World Cup in '94 with record attendance, and the creation of MLS, soccer can't get out of single-digit percentages of fandom in the US.

Soccer will always be niche. Football (gridiron) is king here, and always will be. Or, if it isn't, what usurps it will most certainly not be soccer.
Soccer is big in other countries since it’s the easiest big sport to play and dirt cheap. You can literarily kick a ball on the street or park. So anyone can play. That’s why tons of young people play it worldwide.

But once kids get a bid older, everyone in Canada and US play different sports. Ice hockey is easy to get into in Canada because it has the most rinks in the world, you can skate outside in winter and people have money to buy gear. Every store that sells sports equipment has hockey gear year round even in the summer.

Overall US/Canada got the facilities, weather, and gear to play American football or ice hockey or play a game on a baseball diamond which is very unique compared to other sports where it’s basicLly one giant rectangular foot print.

You can tell soccer fans are bored because most of the game they are singing, drunk or lighting bonfires to keep entertained at the diving.

I always find it odd how some countries are soccer or nothing. US has tons of sports people follow, American football, baseball, basketball, hockey, golf, racing, even xtreme sports, heck even poker. Wide range of interests and leagues.
 
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BigBeauford

Member
Soccer has the lowest barrier to entry of most sports. You don't need a lot of money to play, and you don't need to be 6'5 or freakishly strong. It's not some big mystery.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I'm Canadian, so I don't care about American sports. Football/soccer/lift/elevator/flat/apartment... whatever they wanna call it overseas, it's still boring.

That's your opinion, and i respect that. However, myself and billions of others would disagree.
 

Hookshot

Member
Billions of people like and watch Cricket so you can't go just by popularity.

It is funny to think that someone like Sachin Tendulka is more famous worldwide than Tom Brady, even if he was in Ted 2
 
Unpopular opinion: All professional sports is garbage these days.

Everything is rotten to the core and infested by money. There are just too much greens in it.

In sports usually only the heavy hitters used to be well off and only due to advertising. Today even youngling become multimillionaires right out of the gate. It’s insane.

If I nothing else what is most lacking in sports today is PASSION. It’s just about money.
 
The players can choose when to rest, and when not to give a fuck. They have all the leverage. The NBA commissioner is a cuck and gives them free reign. The NBA refs are horrible, and anyone with a brain know that there is some type of match fix (point spread). While the skill and athleticism is indeed better, the product is shit.
 

Soltype

Member
Almost every sport is like this today, they keep trying to distill everything. You get a pure product but you lose the character.
 

thefool

Member
Players make too much money, there's no incentive for them to do anything else differently.
While companies like amazon bankroll this insanity, when fans mostly watch the product through (illegal) streaming and buy chinese knock off shirts, nothing will really change.
 
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demigod

Member
For now. It's only a matter of time before the real football takes over as the number one sport. The 2026 world cup will help speed up this process.



That's funny because.......



The USA has produced some fantastic players. US players currently are playing in the top leagues in Europe. Real Football is the most skillful team sport on earth, which is why it's the most watched sport on earth.



I disagree. American sports will soon be replaced by the beautiful game. It's only a matter of time. The US is not only co hosting the world cup in 2026 (the biggest sporting event on the planet watched by billions), but also hosting the first new club world cup.

Kids in America soon won't want to play/watch American Football, Basketball, Baseball or ice hockey. They'll only want to play the beautiful game.

Rugby (a real mans game) will also become dominant in the US soon, especially with the US hosting the world cup in 2031.

That's my honest prediction.
Americans love contact sports, none of that pussy ass shit soccer where they flop without being touched.
 

Diddy X

Member
Never been too much into Basketball but I guess it's the same as football which I think lost all grace when Ronaldinho left Barcelona.
 

chakadave

Member
I guess but you know they didn't play zone back in the day because it wasn't allowed right?
The players can choose when to rest, and when not to give a fuck. They have all the leverage. The NBA commissioner is a cuck and gives them free reign. The NBA refs are horrible, and anyone with a brain know that there is some type of match fix (point spread). While the skill and athleticism is indeed better, the product is shit.
I don't think the alternative is better. Sounds pretty bad in fact but I think the NBA needs a change to become more competitive.

Also OP you need to just watch Denver. Jokic is the only reason I watch NBA.
 

Drake

Member
I never watch it because I always thought the sport was boring. I do appreciate the skill these guys have though, but it's like the NFL and NHL. Everything is catered to offense and trying to keep all the games as close as possible for as long as possible so people are glued to their TV's. I think this takes away from the integrity of sports as I think basically every league does this.
 

Trogdor1123

Member
I'm Canadian, so I don't care about American sports. Football/soccer/lift/elevator/flat/apartment... whatever they wanna call it overseas, it's still boring.
What does being Canadian have to do with not liking certain sports?

I’m Canadian and enjoy essentially all sports, even ones I don’t understand, like cricket
 

NickFire

Member
I'm a Chicago kid, and the late 80s and the 90s were my NBA jam. Jordan, Bird, Magic, Barkley, Miller, etc. That was a great time for basketball, and I loved it. But, after Jordan retired and the Bulls started to suck consistently, I dipped out and started to focus more on other winter sports, like hockey & soccer, for most of the early 2000s.

Then my kid was born and I stopped following almost all of it. Too time consuming, and too expensive, even just to watch on TV, as a cable package was necessary (no more over-the-air broadcasts), although I did jump back in for a bit after we picked up Derrick Rose. Since then, I've only had a distant, passive interest in the NBA. I'd heard a bit about how the game has changed; about the reliance on the 3-pointer, the end of physical contact, and the death of the mid-range jumper, and that was honestly enough to keep me away.

Well, my kid's much older now, and Chicago winter sports have seemingly decoupled from cable and are now broadcasting OTA again. That, combined with me picking up NBA 2K25 for PC (which is fucking awesome), has started to rekindle a bit of NBA interest. However, I'm stuck in the past. When I play NBA 2K25, I tend to stay in the 90's/Jordan era, if for no other reason, because of my familiarity with the players. And I've been watching the old 90s NBA Finals on the NBA website, just kinda getting lost in the nostalgia of it, as I wait for the new season to kick off. I've watched a few videos about modern teams, modern ball, and I really wasn't too keen on it, to be honest, but wanted to keep an open mind. Well, last night, I watched the Bulls play their first pre-season game against the Cavs, and I gotta tell you: The difference between the Bulls (and the NBA in general) of the 90s, and the NBA of this time, is fucking stark, and so very disappointing.

Defense is almost unrecognizable to me. In the 90s, it was all man-to-man. Now it's this zone, or zone-hybrid shit. Dudes are camped out in the post and just release their mark when they move so far away from them. On offense, there's very little commitment to drive to the inside. At the first sign of resistance, these guys dish out for a 3 that usually bricks. And that's another thing: so many 3-point attempts, often from players that have no business taking them. You got 7' Cs and PFs clanging 3s on every other possession. Where's the patience to set up an offense? To muscle into the low post? To dish for a mid-range jumper when you draw a double-team? Not in this NBA. 3 after 3 after 3, and scores that are ridiculously higher than what they used to be. In the 90s, scores tended to be near 100. What's the average now? 120? 130? The fuck?

Further, since no one drives the inside, there are fewer fouls, and much lower chance of being in late-game foul trouble. That takes a huge part of the strategy out of the game. And don't even get me started on "load management". Players sitting out when they're perfectly healthy, because they want to save themselves for a more important game, or other bullshit excuse? Fucking guys in the 90s strived to play EVERY game, often with mild injuries. The fuck is this shit?

I dunno. I'm done ranting. Just wanted to vent. I don't think this interest of mine in modern basketball will last very long. In fact, it's probably already dead. But at least I have NBA 2K25 to revel in the golden era of what used to be my favorite sport.
I understand why you feel that way. But I bet you might find aspects you appreciate over time if you give it a longer chance. Defense still matters if teams focus on it - look at the Celtics and their guards. And the reduced fouls was by design. They decided to stop letting guys make unnatural moves to draw a million fouls and slow the game down. I actually like the change because it lets guys actually play defense again.

As for the 3's, well, that's the Steph Curry effect. It got all the kids attention and now they all want to shoot 3s. I liked Jordan's style better too, but that's just old men yelling at clouds.
 

Catphish

Member
I understand why you feel that way. But I bet you might find aspects you appreciate over time if you give it a longer chance. Defense still matters if teams focus on it - look at the Celtics and their guards. And the reduced fouls was by design. They decided to stop letting guys make unnatural moves to draw a million fouls and slow the game down. I actually like the change because it lets guys actually play defense again.

As for the 3's, well, that's the Steph Curry effect. It got all the kids attention and now they all want to shoot 3s. I liked Jordan's style better too, but that's just old men yelling at clouds.
I don't know, man. I think the difference is just to great. I might check out one or two more when the regular season starts, but I just can't relate to whatever this is.
 

BigBeauford

Member
I understand why you feel that way. But I bet you might find aspects you appreciate over time if you give it a longer chance. Defense still matters if teams focus on it - look at the Celtics and their guards. And the reduced fouls was by design. They decided to stop letting guys make unnatural moves to draw a million fouls and slow the game down. I actually like the change because it lets guys actually play defense again.

As for the 3's, well, that's the Steph Curry effect. It got all the kids attention and now they all want to shoot 3s. I liked Jordan's style better too, but that's just old men yelling at clouds.
Based on NBA ratings, I don't think the product is appealing to anyone, let alone old men.

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Ristifer

Member
What does being Canadian have to do with not liking certain sports?

I’m Canadian and enjoy essentially all sports, even ones I don’t understand, like cricket
Nothing, really. I was just stating it as a fact when saying I'm not concerned with purely American sports. I'm not concerned with "real football" either. There are plenty of sports to enjoy, though.
 
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