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MultiVersus has seen a drastic decrease in the number of daily players, which has seen its peak player count on Steam drop more than 99% since launch.
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
These smash clones suffer from a lot of development based on survivor bias. They are to worried to fix what the smash community cries about, but don't pay attention to the things that attracted the smash community in the first place.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
It is extremely telling when a nobody game like Nickelodeon All Star Brawl is vastly mechanically superior than this.
Also, not f2p GaaS garbage.
Also, not f2p GaaS garbage.
Kikorin
Member
You can criticize anything you want about Smash Bros., especially online play, but at the end of the day is by far the best of the list when you care about gameplay and "feeling". Play Smash Ultimate 1vs1 Competitive is like being in the last fight of your favourite anime.
Also, thanks to Nintendo characters it has an attraction difficult to match for anything else.
Also, thanks to Nintendo characters it has an attraction difficult to match for anything else.
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manfestival
Member
I think the game is fine as far as gameplay and whatnot goes. The biggest problem for the game is the fact that season 2 had no content drop outside of the christmas event. For those that are unfamiliar and just posting "iTs NoT sMaSh" but actually want more real insight. The events they have had are halloween and Christmas. These required stupid amounts of grind for some cool rewards. Then the other thing is that everything in the game is really expensive compared to other games. Gleamite is expensive in general and the only "deal" is basically the battle pass. Which also requires a stupid amount of grind compared to other games. Last Character that dropped was Marvin the martian. Now compare that to last season? like 5 characters dropped then.
I would say a combination of those things is the real reason the game has not sustained. I am playing another game that is in a similar content drought and suffering because of it.
I would say a combination of those things is the real reason the game has not sustained. I am playing another game that is in a similar content drought and suffering because of it.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Games as a sport vs Games as a story.
Sport style multiplayer has a wicked hard time in todays market. Gamers don't want that anymore.
Sport style multiplayer has a wicked hard time in todays market. Gamers don't want that anymore.
MiguelItUp
Member
Honestly, of the smash-likes I played I felt it really wasn't bad and had a lot of potential. But, like a lot of the GaaS titles that failed or are failing, there just wasn't enough content. I mean, yeah, it's F2P, but you still need to keep people interested. It just never felt like they had a solid roadmap in place, still doesn't. The character release cadence was feeling pretty good there for a bit, but everything else was just.... not there.
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More like games as a job. Never found fun on these Gaas.
Bruno_Arrais85
Member
free-to-play is not the answer if your game is just not that good.
If Project L proves to be mediocre upon release, it will have the same fate.
If Project L proves to be mediocre upon release, it will have the same fate.
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DemonGamerTTT
Member
Yes... Smash is a party game, made for people to have fun and be easy to play by kids... has a lot of dumb anti competitive shit, but casuals are dumb and love that... to be competitive the game has to be giga trimmed down but that's not a issue as casuals never do that anyway.
The problem with multiversus is too much focus on being "competitive " e-sport, you can't even play 2 players from the same pc/console playing online... each one has to have it's own setup, there's no casual mode(with itens and other random shit to level the playing field) for the dumb dumb to have fun... there's no japanese waifu shit for the people that likes that kind of sad thing.
They spent resources bringing 2 useless characters from a niche 80's trash terror movie(wtf were they thinking), the balance of the game is based on twitter/reddit complains... The game plays great, but the developers don't have a clear vision of what brings the numbers.
The problem with multiversus is too much focus on being "competitive " e-sport, you can't even play 2 players from the same pc/console playing online... each one has to have it's own setup, there's no casual mode(with itens and other random shit to level the playing field) for the dumb dumb to have fun... there's no japanese waifu shit for the people that likes that kind of sad thing.
They spent resources bringing 2 useless characters from a niche 80's trash terror movie(wtf were they thinking), the balance of the game is based on twitter/reddit complains... The game plays great, but the developers don't have a clear vision of what brings the numbers.
Griffon
Member
Games don't stay popular forever.
Multiversus had a good year and probably made more than enough money during that time. I'd say it was a success. And as long as they keep the servers up, the remaining population will continue to enjoy it.
Publishers should stop expecting every game to have Fortnite's success and longevity.
Multiversus had a good year and probably made more than enough money during that time. I'd say it was a success. And as long as they keep the servers up, the remaining population will continue to enjoy it.
Publishers should stop expecting every game to have Fortnite's success and longevity.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Individual taste is a different matter. If you look at the GAAS that succeed in todays market, they're almost never sports styled games. The market shifted massively over the last ~5 years.
lughnasadh123
Member
Loved the characters and animations so much that I really wanted to like the game but it just felt so horrible to play. That along with all the on-screen chaos made it easy to lose track of what was going on. It's always been in the back of my mind with all the GaaS shutting down this year.
01011001
Banned
it's just a worse Smash Bros.
it's always hard to release a game that's so extremely inspired by another, but then be not as good in many aspects.
because it's so easily comparable, why would anyone play this over Smash? especially if the majority of the people that like this kind of game do have a Switch and can play this better version there
leaving only casuals, and casuals leave games quick if it isn't their main mp title
it's always hard to release a game that's so extremely inspired by another, but then be not as good in many aspects.
because it's so easily comparable, why would anyone play this over Smash? especially if the majority of the people that like this kind of game do have a Switch and can play this better version there
leaving only casuals, and casuals leave games quick if it isn't their main mp title
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Spyxos
Member
I never got the hang of Smash, but surprisingly I enjoyed Multiverse and played it for about 3-4 weeks. It was only fun until you faced some very good people. Since I'm not that good, and didn't want to spend a lot of time, I was out of there. And the first Season pass was a joke and there was also hardly and rarely new Content.
nikos
Member
Exactly my experience. It was fun for a bit, even though I'm not into Smash style games, but it wasn't the type of game I wanted to try to get really good at.
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Sleepwalker
Member
Velma show DLC will save it, just wait
stickkidsam
Member
Kinda sad that we need the servers to stay up to enioy so many games.
Smash Bros is forever.
The Pleasure
Member
Brawlhalla kicked its ass. Multiversus was popping all that good shit. What happened?
Werewolf Jones
Member
I still play it daily but it's gonna die. The last character they added was nearly four months ago.
I need someone to help me grind the 500 co-op matches to get the trophy before it fucking dies, I have all the others.
I need someone to help me grind the 500 co-op matches to get the trophy before it fucking dies, I have all the others.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
Smash had a platform with an audience for it.
PC does not have a long-term audience for a game like Smash Bros, which requires a platform identity, nostalgia, and integration to sell long-term.
This is also why PSASBR failed, because half of the identity of the characters fighting each other were not relevant because the ones that were Sony had no rights to them, or they were third-party drop-ins you could play on other consoles. That works for gust characters but not the bees in the knees. They also cut corners on the production.
The best you can hope for these games is a year or two of good metrics, which is what this game did, but now the novelty and the hype is over. There's nothing to attach people playing going forward.
PC does not have a long-term audience for a game like Smash Bros, which requires a platform identity, nostalgia, and integration to sell long-term.
This is also why PSASBR failed, because half of the identity of the characters fighting each other were not relevant because the ones that were Sony had no rights to them, or they were third-party drop-ins you could play on other consoles. That works for gust characters but not the bees in the knees. They also cut corners on the production.
The best you can hope for these games is a year or two of good metrics, which is what this game did, but now the novelty and the hype is over. There's nothing to attach people playing going forward.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
Is it me or is it always Warner Bros. is so egocentric, but it always falls short of Disney... Not even in its golden years was it the first place in its midst.
Speaking of the game... It's impossible to even compete with Smash bros.
Speaking of the game... It's impossible to even compete with Smash bros.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
Indeed, why do sholud to play with Bugs bunny, if in Smash bros they have a Hero from Dragon quest, princess zelda, and female Byleth?
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BUGS BUNNY has more name recognition than all three of those characters. Popular characters isn't the issue. Someone upthread already pretty much covered it: some genres you simply can not replicate from scratch. There have definitely been SMASH competitors but you really aren't beating NINTENDO at their own game. . .literally. Look at how popular POKEMON is and how little lasting impression the far better TEMTEM has.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Next one to shut down soon? None of these games are sustainable.
Gaas is going down the toilet. Which is great imo.
Gaas is going down the toilet. Which is great imo.
01011001
Banned
Mario and Pokémon tho are 2 IPs featured in Smash that are more recognizable than any DC IP these days.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
Hey Hey Hey., watch out.. The best thing of PSASBR was the integration of Kat from Gravity Rush... That's why I bought it on Ps3.
Also, Kat was the best in that video game, she was the best character.
But without kat... I really wouldn't have bought the game.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
And Zelda... 3 IPs
01011001
Banned
I am not sure if Zelda quite reaches Superman or Bugs bunny levels of cultural relevance tho.
Pokémon and Mario for sure tho
Spirit Icana
Member
I agree, though I will add that characters like Batman and Superman are no slouches in appeal versus Mario, Link, and Pikachu, but Smash Bros is a fun game with incredible flexibility. Hardcore players are finding new play-styles and strategies to exploit with its large array of unique playable gaming legends, and casuals have a large variable of randomness that can occur in every match with items on or off and stages doing their thing, while playing with characters we've grown to love and have been well honored and adapted to Smash Bros' core game.
The problem I have with Smash clones is that they only seem to be attracted by Smash's legendary roster, and its competitive scene, but turn a completely blind eye to the variety it offers to its larger fanbase getting a laugh at Sonic's spring board gimping Solid Snake off stage, but then Snake bombs himself back to safety, among many other details that make Smash what it is --very replayable. From the controls, to animation, to content, Smash is not cheap nor easy to replicate. It's a strong game at its core, before taking inspiration from the Marios and Zeldas for its fighter selection, items, stage selection, and move-sets, all of which it expertly adapts and balances.
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LegendOfKage
Member
I think the biggest mistake they made was trying to go for the EVO crowd and the party game fighter crowd at the same time. Cooldown timers in a platform fighter? Ugly red vs blue character shaders on by default? Making people fight in teams instead of FFA with their freinds? Limiting on screen characters to four? Taking forever to release bland new stages without many differences to how all the other stages played? Actually, now that I type all that out, I think their biggest mistake might have been IGNORING the party game fighter crowd.
There was a lot of good in this game, but it came with a lot of missteps as well.
There was a lot of good in this game, but it came with a lot of missteps as well.
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PendekarRajawali
Member
Only fools think they can clone Nintendo games. The hardware are always technologically behind but Nintendo games are something else.
Eddie-Griffin
Banned
Almost no one knows what TemTem is, it's not mass marketed, retailers are pushing it in your face, it's barely on TV if at all in terms of ads, and iirc it's steam exclusive.
Steam games are on PC, it's not a platform to forge an identity like proprietary hardware can, that's always been the case, that's why console gamers know little about computer gaming before 1999, and will take credit for things console devs took from computers and PC. You can associate games and identity with hardware, you can't do that with PC easily unless its a breakout hit in sales, or in a genre.
Or back in the day, associated with a tech advancement.
Consoles and handhelds don't have that problem, that's why a steam "competitor" to Smash or Pokemon won't work, just like a steam Forza or Uncharted competitior didn't work. It's that simple.
People want to simplify it as Nintendo having a magic something when that's not even the issue.
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