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[odhiex]

Maybe the new Amazon firestick is coming next year!? Lol...hey it's an Xbox now

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Like always having the best version of a game. The Xbox one X was significantly more powerful than the ps4 pro and it was reflected across the internet. That was a net win for Xbox and the only reason they stayed competitive. MS greatest strength is its wallet. If they want to continue being in the hardware business they need to make sure they ALWAYS have the most powerful platform. That was always the easy win for MS and they screwed it up twice in a row.

Money only gets you so far. MS tried the One X strategy again with Series X, but SIE simply outengineered them, thanks in large part to Mark Cerny. They focused on the right metrics and designed a system around those, while MS focused on the wrong things (too much emphasis on TF, for example) and designed a system that also had to used for Azure server clusters. That's why they went with a 352-bit bus, but then had to cut retail system RAM down from 20 GB to 16 GB with a split memory design, which created bottlenecks.

And, that's just one example. MS could throw a 5090 in the next Xbox and it'd still fail if it's just offering a repeat of the Series business strategy. And, at the price it'd need to be competitive, they'd simply bleed money on each unit no matter what.

 

[Ebrietas]

Does this release before or after the Xbox streaming stick?

 

[dispensergoinup]

Leaked pics of the new console:

Spoiler: Don't let him go Murph

 

[Astray]

This is actually why I think if there is ANY alternative storefront support on future Xbox hardware, it's going to come through running the required Windows code through Xbox OS, I guess through some translation layer, in a sort of protected mode. However, the applications have all normal access to system resources the way code written for Xbox OS does.

Basically, any compatibility with Steam, or even EGS etc., would be 100% on Microsoft's end with a method like this, because I don't see Valve or Epic bothering whatsoever to write Xbox OS-compliant versions of their storefronts for Xbox. Why would they? It's a much bigger benefit for Microsoft than it is for either of them, so they aren't going to get the returns for the work that'd be required. Very lopsided dynamic there.

I can see EGS doing stuff to help out, they need share and if Xbox is offering theirs, then why not?

 

[midnightAI]

IF this comes out next year doesn't this mean it will be rdna 4?

If that is the case won't the PS6 be a much bigger leap due to rdna5? (Rdna4 is basically a tweaked rdna3 with rdna5 being completely new according to rumours so take with a pinch of salt)

 

[Starhowl]

So I won't have to buy a PS5 Pro because an Xbox Pro is going to be released? Wonderful!

 

[Ashamam]

Are you an engineering expert? Have experience in developing consoles ?

Well I do have an engineering degree fwiw in manufacturing. Don't really use it though and don't pretend to be an expert. Also I suspect the number of people with actual experience developing consoles is vanishingly small.

My comments though are based around the amount of time it takes to move from concept to shipping (4 years seems to be that number roughly, and thats best case). There aren't really that many shortcuts available once you commit to custom silicon. Especially if you aren't willing to pay for it, and it seems like MS isn't in the mood to throw money at Xbox. Quite the opposite in fact. So I doubt they would do an Apple and spend big to lock in supply way ahead of time on process nodes. Roadmap documents and public statements also pretty clearly show 2023 was a reset of sorts for them in terms of future hardware planning so taking all that into account I arrive at the conclusion 2025 is only possible with a more modular off the shelf design. ie: a PC. All that goes out the window if they are in fact further along with the silicon, but I think we would have leaks by now.

 

[Brucey]

Does this release before or after the Xbox streaming stick?

Apparently they gave up on that because they couldn't develop a low profile OS to run on it.

 

[PatientGamer]

The only chance MS's console strategy will provide an advantage over PlayStation is if they launch 1-2 years early. It's what enabled the X360s early success. If it launched day and date with PS3, it wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the marketshare it did.

If they launch the Xbox 5 next year, or in 2026 with a strong, exclusive lineup - I think they could become competitive with Sony again.

Will they though? I don't know if they're clever enough.

 

[Badlucktroll]

*waits until next year* (new xbox doesnt come)

 

[ap_puff]

They do need to clean house with not only Spencer but their line of succession does not inspire confidence they can turn things around imo

They need to shift their corporate culture around xbox. They have had little brother syndrome for too long, they need to find out what they're good at in terms of games that they make (i'd say that right now it's shooters and wrpgs) and find a way to concentrate on pushing the industry forward as game makers, not as "we're the green version of playstation".

I think they can still make gamepass successful: turn it into an all-access pass to their most popular franchises. All battlepasses and DLC available for free* for CoD, minecraft, etc. monthly ingame currency allowances for candy crush. And focus all your effort into making those games as good as they can be.

Stop trying to make it a buffet of niche games that maybe 500k people will be interested in. Stop trying to be a platform competitor because you're bad at it. If you want gamepass everywhere, then you need to make it something that platform holders will be willing to host.

 

[Starbuck2907]

Rumors of ARM powered Xbox. Windows now runs on ARM. New Xbox coming…. All lining up.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Rumors of ARM powered Xbox. Windows now runs on ARM. New Xbox coming…. All lining up.

What advantage is there for ARM? I don’t believe it

 

[Starbuck2907]

What advantage is there for ARM? I don’t believe it

In theory, ARM processors are more power efficient. Therefore, they can offer better performance than a x86 processor at the same power level. Again, theoretically, this would also let Microsoft launch a console and handheld running on the same processor, which simplifies supply chain issues and simplifies porting gaming from console to a mobile device.

 

[nial]

It looks like 10th gen is coming next year with new Nintendo and Xbox consoles. Too bad I couldn't care any less.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

The only chance MS's console strategy will provide an advantage over PlayStation is if they launch 1-2 years early. It's what enabled the X360s early success. If it launched day and date with PS3, it wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the marketshare it did.

If they launch the Xbox 5 next year, or in 2026 with a strong, exclusive lineup - I think they could become competitive with Sony again.

Will they though? I don't know if they're clever enough.

Being first isn't enough. You need some compelling reason for people to choose your platform, and normally that's a highly acclaimed exclusive. Even if they launch early, what will there be to convince people to make the purchase?

 

[pasterpl]

In theory, ARM processors are more power efficient. Therefore, they can offer better performance than a x86 processor at the same power level. Again, theoretically, this would also let Microsoft launch a console and handheld running on the same processor, which simplifies supply chain issues and simplifies porting gaming from console to a mobile device.

Also with AI onboard, it could be the first fully AI console (not only used for upscaling) - sort of in lines with Sarah Bond statements about tech/gen leap. What does it exactly means - I have no idea. I know MS already got an upscaler running on ARM (that upscale every game without any need from dev input), have not idea what else they might be cooking. Maybe something like Ai game hints, when you are stuck, AI next game recommendations, AI NPC’s (that could be fun), AI procedurally generated worlds and quests/missions, so no play through is the same etc. But it always customised to your play style, maybe come back of proper physics in games (destruction), Lots of possibilities.

 

[digital_ghost]

Every screen is an Xbox. So 500 million new Xboxs next year.

 

[mayham2199]

I basically already consider my ROG ally a handheld Xbox. Except it can also load my steam library…… now if only MS would make a console that does that lil party trick too…..

With my steam deck + windows + playnite I felt the same. Had all my libraries connected into one interface.

 

[pasterpl]

I basically already consider my ROG ally a handheld Xbox. Except it can also load my steam library…… now if only MS would make a console that does that lil party trick too…..

Same, armoury crate is not horrible, but we need MS to release stream lined version of Windows for handhelds, just give us Xbox overlay on handhelds.

With my steam deck + windows + playnite I felt the same. Had all my libraries connected into one interface.

Mine is collecting dust since I have got Rog Ally X.

 

[Kerotan]

PS5 Pro redundant after less than 12 months

By that logic next generation Xbox redundant after less than 2 years. Sony have a wide margin to cut the pro price going forward. They could easily slash a hundred off it next holiday.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Will stick to whatever platform commits to supporting physical media and traditional ownership of said media.

all will be digital next gen.

 

[Jesb]

Probably they feel getting a 1-2 year head start is the only way they can compete.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

all will be digital next gen.

 

[Gojiira]

So Phil takes a jab at the PS5 Pro supposedly being a $1000 console that doesnt grow the market despite the fact the PS5 released with a single unit. Yet it was ok for the Xbox to be released as 2 seperate units at launch with another on the way? Huh Phil Spender really is full of shit lmao, could he be any more of a hypocrite? Good luck growing the market Phil…

 

[Barakov]

“Sir our hardware share is tanking, no one wants to buy our consoles”
“Release a new console as soon as possible”

What is this strategy called?

The same strategy they've had ever since Spencer got put in charge. Keep throwing things at the wall and see what sticks. Begs the question : how slippery are those walls in Redmond.

 

[Gojiira]

Like always having the best version of a game. The Xbox one X was significantly more powerful than the ps4 pro and it was reflected across the internet. That was a net win for Xbox and the only reason they stayed competitive. MS greatest strength is its wallet. If they want to continue being in the hardware business they need to make sure they ALWAYS have the most powerful platform. That was always the easy win for MS and they screwed it up twice in a row.

Hilarious when the most graphically impressive games of that gen were PS4 exclusive. Power means nothing at all, its the library that matters and Xbox doesnt have that.

 

[EMR]

Didn't Phil recently said there's no need for a mid-gen upgrade? Also he pointed the distant future for the handheld. So what exactly the fuck is coming next year?

 

[Team Andromeda]

lol xbox 2026 why? just get a PC or Asus Rog now

I dislike these pissant clever comments. I DON'T GAME ON PC!!!! OK?

Overlooking that given that a few Xbox titles are pushed back until next year. I would rather the Series X go out with a bang next year (insert clever ass comment) ready for a new system in 2026 and allow for the Halo team to hopefully have the game ready for launch

 

[SweetTooth]

People here think its a new Xbox Pro? Lol its gonna be the circular abomination in the leak or the fire stick

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

The only chance MS's console strategy will provide an advantage over PlayStation is if they launch 1-2 years early. It's what enabled the X360s early success. If it launched day and date with PS3, it wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the marketshare it did.

If they launch the Xbox 5 next year, or in 2026 with a strong, exclusive lineup - I think they could become competitive with Sony again.

Will they though? I don't know if they're clever enough.

Is it even POSSIBLE to have next gen AAA exclusives not just ready, but finished two years ahead of time?

That's almost like asking a woman to finish incubating a fetus in 5 months. Biologically possible and there had been survivors, but trying to do it intentionally is madness.

The delay in time meant modern AAA takes 6 years on average to make. To tell the Xbox devs "Good news! the Nexbox is launching 2 years early by the grace and wisdom of Phil, so that means all YOUR games are launching 2 years early!"

Basically, the math doesn't add up. Xbox always had issues releasing AAA Exclusive games from their own studios. Telling these studios that they now have LESS time to make the game is not going to lead to good things. If Xbox isn't going to respect the console generation timeline, they are going to have to launch early without games.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Didn't Phil recently said there's no need for a mid-gen upgrade? Also he pointed the distant future for the handheld. So what exactly the fuck is coming next year?

Their vision of a hext gen upgrade. Not a problem console.

I still think 2026 but I'm interested to see what they have.

 

[Nordickratos]

It will probably get announced at the VGA next Month like the Series consoles

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Microsoft's console gaming strategy is complete wack.

That's why it's not likely next year.

 

[HJuggernaut]

I think we are past pixel counting and all that tech stuff, If MS can release a 400dollar cheap console with great games that is good enough. let Sony have the high end stuff.

 

[Zuzu]

I’m definitely interested in buying it. I hope that the top end model will offer 30 teraflops of power, with AI upscaling that matches DLSS and a new controller that keeps the same ergonomic design of the Xbox One and Series controllers but improves the haptics and adds gyro. But I doubt that they can achieve 30tf by next year unless the console is very expensive.

 

[Madserb2023]

I might buy it if it was a fair bit more powerful than the PRO but I don't see how Microsoft does that without it being $800 all digital. I just can't see them doing that. It would be good for competition though otherwise Sony will have complete dominance at the high end. I would like one to exist just so Sony will be more likely to lower the price of the PRO and stick a disc drive in.

 

[SweetTooth]

Their vision of a hext gen upgrade. Not a problem console.

I still think 2026 but I'm interested to see what they have.

Knowing the poster, I don't think I have ever seen a more hypocritical post in my entire life .. holy shit

 

[jm89]

Knowing the poster, I don't think I have ever seen a more hypocritical post in my entire life .. holy shit

By problem consoles he means series s...I'm sure.

I mean you'd have to be really silly to cap for that potatoe right?

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Their vision of a hext gen upgrade. Not a problem console.

Troll more

 

[SmurfMustard]

Knowing the poster, I don't think I have ever seen a more hypocritical post in my entire life .. holy shit

It's funny that you probably won't understand the irony of your post.

 

[SweetTooth]

By problem consoles he means series s...I'm sure.

I mean you'd have to be really silly to cap for that potatoe right?

Wow..just wow

Lmao!!

 

[SweetTooth]

It's funny that you probably won't understand the irony of your post.

At least Im not a hypocrite, Im consistent whether you liked my posts or not!

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

It looks like 10th gen is coming next year with new Nintendo and Xbox consoles. Too bad I couldn't care any less.

and +1 stay tuned

 

[UltimaKilo]

I might buy it if it was a fair bit more powerful than the PRO but I don't see how Microsoft does that without it being $800 all digital. I just can't see them doing that. It would be good for competition though otherwise Sony will have complete dominance at the high end. I would like one to exist just so Sony will be more likely to lower the price of the PRO and stick a disc drive in.

I’d skip the beefier machine next year and just redesign the S to be much smaller and cut the price. Although as a console lover, I’d love to see them release their own, more powerful console next year that can push beyond the PS5 Pro and open the doors for a crazy next gen.

 

[SweetTooth]

I’d skip the beefier machine next year and just redesign the S to be much smaller and cut the price. Although as a console lover, I’d love to see them release their own, more powerful console next year that can push beyond the PS5 Pro and open the doors for a crazy next gen.

 

[panda-zebra]

By problem consoles he means series s...I'm sure.

I mean you'd have to be really silly to cap for that potatoe right?

seems xbox don't need a new console next year, just have to go all in on the unquestionable little beast.

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

Probably they feel getting a 1-2 year head start is the only way they can compete.

They don't think like that. Everything is a gigantic game of cause and effect, the current xbox failed in the middle of the gen, so to save what's left of the market share they need to do something urgently, there is no choice, the ideal is to become full third party but maybe they think that a new xbox will have a different fate, they are fools.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

he is not pissed off because a new console is coming out....Operation Damage Control successful