RetroGamingUK
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19 million in 15 months would be slightly disappointing considering forecasts and trajectory.
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PS5 is outselling Xbox Series Consoles at a rate of about 4 to 1 the last 15 months
19 million in 15 months would be slightly disappointing considering forecasts and trajectory.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Exactly! To me it would be they didn't lower the price of the PS5 DE or PS5 at all (anywhere). I feel like they should de 22 million in 15 months.
Cramoss
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I think Xbox will be fine after all but it is still sad to see those numbers. On the console side of things, the Xbox digital store is using our actual local currency here in my country so prices are way more reasonable than PSN since the latter is still using USD. New releases can even be $30 more expensive on the PSN side of things. I know some of you live in a US bubble and don't actually care if Xbox goes out of business as a console maker but please know that competition can greatly improve game prices in some countries.
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SweetTooth
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Competition WILL NOT disappear with MS, there still is Nintendo, Steam, PC handhelds, mobile, Amazon...etc
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DeepEnigma
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The "welfare state" of gaming.
RetroGamingUK
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Competition WILL NOT disappear with MS, there still is Nintendo, Steam, PC handhelds, mobile, Amazon...etc
While I agree, unlike the above Xbox was a DIRECT competitor to PlayStation, at least in those PS3/360 days.
I’m not sure who else could enter the home console business without being kicked out on their backsides by Sony.
Same with handhelds, PSP is the only non-Nintendo system to ever have success in that market. I doubt anyone could challenge Nintendo.
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clarky
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Competition WILL NOT disappear with MS, there still is Nintendo, Steam, PC handhelds, mobile, Amazon...etc
Dont believe Phils bullshit Nintendo is Sony direct competitor. We all have limited screen time regardless of budget
Geometric-Crusher
"Nintendo games are like indies, and worth at most $19" 🤡
be patient, good things are coming.
SweetTooth
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clarky
Gold Member
Shit you speak, young man
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Cramoss
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On the high end console side of things, it will. Nintendo does not offer the same games mostly and not everyone will game on PC.
Competition WILL NOT disappear with MS, there still is Nintendo, Steam, PC handhelds, mobile, Amazon...etc
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RetroGamingUK
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I mean if Microsoft, a company which has over the last couple of decades been the most valuable, who own the Windows OS, who already made games even before releasing the Xbox in 2001…
…couldn’t do it, I don’t know who could. At this point it would be like a third company trying to compete with Coca-Cola or Pepsi in the cola wars.
Xbox was already at over 28 million in June, before the release of NCAA College Football 25, which gave them a nice boost in the US. Then there's Black Friday and Christmas in the next couple of months and I'm sure they will be hoping their new games over the next 12 months stimulate console sales as well. It's ridiculous suggesting they can't sell 1.5-2 million consoles over the next year.
You've forgotten again how Apple destroyed Sony's Walkman business almost overnight in the early 2000s? Not to mention that Sony overall are a significantly diminished company compared to what they were 20 plus years ago.I mean if Microsoft, a company which has over the last couple of decades been the most valuable, who own the Windows OS, who already made games even before releasing the Xbox in 2001…
…couldn’t do it, I don’t know who could. At this point it would be like a third company trying to compete with Coca-Cola or Pepsi in the cola wars.
RetroGamingUK
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clarky
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I know these are quite uncomfortable reminders when you like to think that Sony are infallible. Sony Walkman was a leading brand but where is it now? Sony was a significantly bigger company in 2000 than it is today.
No-one here knows who the next disruptors in the video game industry will be or how, but one guarantee is that the Hermen Hulsts and Jim Ryans of this world won't see it coming either.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
clarky
Gold Member
Dudes been on a week meth bender on no sleep im convinced.Yo fam, this is nuts
If Apple could make a console and destroy Playstation that easily, why haven't they tried yet?
Topher
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I mean if Microsoft, a company which has over the last couple of decades been the most valuable, who own the Windows OS, who already made games even before releasing the Xbox in 2001…
…couldn’t do it, I don’t know who could. At this point it would be like a third company trying to compete with Coca-Cola or Pepsi in the cola wars.
Yeah....that has been the case the "last couple of decades" and it hasn't made any difference. Doesn't really matter what Microsoft "could" do. What they are not doing is making Xbox consoles the centerpiece of their gaming ecosystem. Not when they are kicking the legs out from under Game Pass on consoles, actively advertising "no console required" and publishing games on PlayStation. None of that sounds to me like a company that is willing to continue down the console rabbit hole. We know they are not exiting hardware though so that leaves PC and/or handheld. Either way, I wouldn't be looking to Microsoft's wealth to pull Xbox console's up off the mat.
Where did I state that Apple would be making a console? All I did was provide a real world example of Sony having their lunch eaten by a more innovative company when they were the market leader with a particular device.Yo fam, this is nuts
If Apple could make a console and destroy Playstation that easily, why haven't they tried yet?
StereoVsn
Gold Member
XSX is a decent piece of gear especially at the price you got it. Nothing wrong with that and you can get some good and cheap BC games going all the way to OG Xbox era.
Having disk is a must and XSX does quite a few things better than S which you can still use for a streaming box/casual stuff.
Plus the main thing is like you say is time. Two kids, wife, work, friends, etc… only leaves so much time for gaming and other hobbies. Xbox platform has thousands of games and many, many hours of gameplay. Yeah, you may miss some exclusives , but it really doesn’t matter all that much.
XXL
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I honestly admire his dedication. Lol.
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HeWhoWalks
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Um, if GTA VI drops anytime late 2025 to anytime in 2026,
I can't believe y'all have even continued to waste your time.
TBiddy
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How and when it'll happen and who will topple Sony eventually remains to be seen, but it seems crazy to believe that things in the gaming world will remain status quo forever. Heck, Mark Cerny (or whoever takes over) might design a console with flaws, they might introduce their own RROD, perhaps some games of theirs will be less amazing than usual etc. But the real danger for Sony, I think, is when someone in the future shakes up the market like the iPhone did or like Sony themselves did with the PS1.
Will it be Microsoft? No. They've never proven themselves capable of inventing something new and amazing. Not in many years at least. Nintendo? Nah. Google? Nope, they will kill that thing 6 months after launch. Who does that leave then?
Apple - perhaps. They also design their own chips, which could be an advantage, if we ever move away from AMD.
Nvidia - Meh. They make great GPU's, but they don't have much experience in the OS part of it.
Samsung - nope. They would stuff that console with Bixby, shitty apps and numerous ads, that would make the Xbox interface look squeaky clean.
Hard to point at who will compete with Sony when Microsoft drops the Xbox hardware after this generation. I somewhat hope that Apple will produce a premium console based on their own chips. Given their history, their decent developer tools and their pretty deep pockets, it could turn out pretty decent. But all of it of course depends on their ability to convince the 3rd party studios to get onboard.
Will it be Microsoft? No. They've never proven themselves capable of inventing something new and amazing. Not in many years at least. Nintendo? Nah. Google? Nope, they will kill that thing 6 months after launch. Who does that leave then?
Apple - perhaps. They also design their own chips, which could be an advantage, if we ever move away from AMD.
Nvidia - Meh. They make great GPU's, but they don't have much experience in the OS part of it.
Samsung - nope. They would stuff that console with Bixby, shitty apps and numerous ads, that would make the Xbox interface look squeaky clean.
Hard to point at who will compete with Sony when Microsoft drops the Xbox hardware after this generation. I somewhat hope that Apple will produce a premium console based on their own chips. Given their history, their decent developer tools and their pretty deep pockets, it could turn out pretty decent. But all of it of course depends on their ability to convince the 3rd party studios to get onboard.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Game prices are fucked and I believe MS is doing everything in their power to stop people changing their regions to buy cheap games on other countries storefronts.
Felessan
Member
Mobile already did and did it successfully. It's currently the biggest foe Nintendo face
Not significantly. And the biggest drop was not due to Apple but Samsung/LG and then Chinese in mobile/TV market where Sony was just price non-competitive.
They do turn around for most part loss of consumer market by expanding other areas (playstation, sensors, music etc)
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
It's easier to make new IPs when videogames don't take 5 years to develop.
TBiddy
Member
As long as the quality of the mobile games is what it is, Nintendo has little reason to be afraid. It's two completely different markets, right now.
RetroGamingUK
Member
I made a thread about this a couple of months back suggesting that Apple are the only company out there that could.
If MS left the console business, could anyone fill the void?
Been thinking about a couple of recent things regarding Xbox and the near future state of the console wars - Xbox rumoured to potentially be leaving the console space by making the next Xbox a PC - Phil Spencer saying they lost the worst generation due to gen 8 being the one where customers...
However that was on the basis of AAA games that would have cross-play/cross-buy across Mac, iPad, iPhone and this “new console”.
Upon finding out that the recent Resi Evil games disastrously flopped on iPhone (despite having cross-buy with Mac) I’m pretty much ruling it out.
I think if Apple thought they could topple Sony they’d have done something by now.
Valve came second in the poll after the “no-one” option, but I fail to see how on earth they could compete with Sony on global hardware distribution.
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RetroGamingUK
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MrTired
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At this rate EA Sports would just as likely drop Xbox Series before they drop PS4
He's incorrect that Physical sales only.
DenchDeckard
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At this rate EA Sports would just as likely drop Xbox Series before they drop PS4
This has to be bullshit. Surely?
Radical_3d
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You know that football is primarily an European sport, right? Europe like in: the guys who are buying 8:1 PlayStation over XBox?
Synastry
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There from this thread and from nintendolife.
Sales-Age - UK Weekly Physical Charts: Silent Hill 2 #2, Dragon Ball: Sparking Zero #3, Undisputed #5 and Metaphor: Refantazio #7
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2024/10/uk-charts-zelda-falls-from-the-top-five-as-new-releases-shake-things-up The latest look at the UK charts is in, and things have been shaken up. Yes, after holding onto the silver for two weeks, The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom has dropped to sixth...
DenchDeckard
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There from this thread and from nintendolife.
Sales-Age - UK Weekly Physical Charts: Silent Hill 2 #2, Dragon Ball: Sparking Zero #3, Undisputed #5 and Metaphor: Refantazio #7
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2024/10/uk-charts-zelda-falls-from-the-top-five-as-new-releases-shake-things-up The latest look at the UK charts is in, and things have been shaken up. Yes, after holding onto the silver for two weeks, The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom has dropped to sixth...www.neogaf.com
So, just physical sales and that Zuby guy is being a crazy fan boy again. got it.
and UK only...I lose my faith with humanity a little more with each day that passes. Social media was a mistake.
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At this rate EA Sports would just as likely drop Xbox Series before they drop PS4
That's interesting. I'd be shocked if they didn't keep releasing in on Xbox Series considering it's an easy port from PS5. Plus the Switch still gets the game too. It's hard to imagine EA ever leaving money on the table.
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Topher
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Disregard
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Woopah
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Because he's saying it's digital and physical, when it's only physical.
TBiddy
Member
Thanks - I will check the thread out!I made a thread about this a couple of months back suggesting that Apple are the only company out there that could.
If MS left the console business, could anyone fill the void?
Been thinking about a couple of recent things regarding Xbox and the near future state of the console wars - Xbox rumoured to potentially be leaving the console space by making the next Xbox a PC - Phil Spencer saying they lost the worst generation due to gen 8 being the one where customers...
However that was on the basis of AAA games that would have cross-play/cross-buy across Mac, iPad, iPhone and this “new console”.
Upon finding out that the recent Resi Evil games disastrously flopped on iPhone (despite having cross-buy with Mac) I’m pretty much ruling it out.
I think if Apple thought they could topple Sony they’d have done something by now.
Valve came second in the poll after the “no-one” option, but I fail to see how on earth they could compete with Sony on global hardware distribution.
Woopah
Member
This. Nintendo takes specific, direct actions due to MS and Sony being competitors.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Yeah, not sure why he had to make the story "juicy".
XXL
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diffusionx
Gold Member
I've never seen anyone explain why digital and physical sales wouldn't correlate strongly.
Topher
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Ah....I see it now. Thanks
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Because all the evidence we have had for years is that Xbox skews digital with its sales. I'm not saying its going to be a massive difference, but if you are some social media loon like that Zuby guy you need to report factually. Theres no need to bend the truth when it will still heavily favour Playstation. Also, it kind of implies its worldwide when its only the UK.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Most sales are digital on PS as well, and there's no evidence that digital Xbox sales are so much greater that it would materially skew these numbers. This is just cope.
I could see it, if the majority of Xbox series sold were s versus x
So say 28 million sold, 7 million or 25% are series x and can play a disc game. Rest have to buy digitally?
But yeah I think the long running canard that Xbox series doesn't reflect well in disk sale splits because all the sales are happening digitally instead can be put to bed.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Game sales have been majority digital since last generation, when both consoles had disc drives the entire time (except for the Xbox One SAD edition). Most sales on Series X are still digital. But it's not like physical and digital sales are totally different markets, there is strong correlation and no reason to think otherwise.