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[Rudius]

Edit: no PSSR system wide. He made a mistake. Only the VR part is true, PSSR is being tunned for it.

Go home.

An AI-assisted upscaling mode, called PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution, works across the whole game library without any needed patch, adding in details to upscale to 4K. I didn't see this demonstrated, but the feature should help enhance older games if you have a 4K TV. It'll also work on PSVR 2 games in the future, too, Cerny said.​

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VR and the future of peripherals like Portal​

As CNET's resident VR expert, I'm curious what the PS5 Pro can do for the PlayStation VR 2, although Sony's support for the headset has been underwhelming lately. Cerny said the Pro will allow higher-resolution games on the PSVR 2 thanks to the GPU boost and eventually a tuning of Sony's AI upscaling that will work with all VR games. But no specific PSVR 2 upgraded games have been announced yet, and I wonder what those improvements would even feel like. (I mentioned to Cerny and Nishino that I'd still love to see original PSVR games like Astro Bot Rescue Mission, which are incompatible with PSVR 2, to get ports that still haven't happened yet. I didn't get a response to that comment.)

PlayStation 5 Pro Hands-On First Look: Here's What I Learned

Exclusive: I checked out the new console upgrade, coming Nov. 5 for $700, and played a bunch of games. Here's who might appreciate the new graphics boosts the most.

www.cnet.com

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[Fabieter]

Nvm

 

[Skifi28]

This will be great for all those old and forgotten by the developers PS4 titles. This has been my biggest hope for the pro.

 

[Gaiff]

Including the disc drive also wouldn’t have required a patch, idiots.

 

[Leviathicus]

Considering how fucking horrible Sony is at communicating things I would not be surprised if this great feature is actually true but they didn't highlighted it during the presentation.

 

[Crayon]

Okay, that's pretty interesting.

 

[Fake]

The communication at Sony HQ is fucking terrible. The same happens with base PS5 BC.

 

[Panajev2001a]

The price really ruffled some feathers. They announced that several BC games will get framerate boosts and at some point soon all title will get AI assisted up scaling to improve visuals without any patch needed / effort required from devs and even that gets greeted by anger and bile.

Only $100 more than the adorably all digital 2 TB XSX no ?

 

[alucard0712_rus]

So it's natively replacing TAA or FSR to PSSR? Interesting. PSVR2 will benifit the most out of all of this.

 

[RoboFu]

also considering it will learn from everyone playing content on ps5 eventually everything will get an instant porn filter as well!


but seriously I still hate AI image reconstruction and fake frames. all your games will look like 120 fps but still play at 24.

 

[jm89]

The communication at Sony HQ is fucking terrible. The same happens with base PS5 BC.

Yeah same happened with ps5 BC.

They put out comms that made it sound like only some ps4 games would work in back compat. When in pretty much most the library worked without issues.

 

[diffusionx]

So it's natively replacing TAA or FSR to PSSR? Interesting. PSVR2 will benifit the most out of all of this.

I don't know how it works but it reminds me of DLSS where originally a game had to be set up for it specifically and then it got generalized over time.

 

[XXL]

This is actually pretty great.

All of that sounds amazing.

 

[Fake]

Yeah same happened with ps5 BC.

They put out Clcomms that made it sound like only some ps4 games would work in back compare. When in pretty much most the library worked without issues.

Yeah, the base PS5 BC list is vast and would kinda help the PS5pro presentation with a little more info about what games will get PSSR support.

 

[SomeGit]

Only $100 more than the adorably all digital 2 TB XSX no ?

The 2TB series X has a disc drive, so it’s 180$ more (280€ in Europe). Give that that SKU was, rightfully, criticized for being overpriced, I think the complaints here are valid.

 

[Rudius]

The price really ruffled some feathers. They announced that several BC games will get framerate boosts and at some point soon all title will get AI assisted up scaling to improve visuals without any patch needed / effort required from devs and even that gets greeted by anger and bile.

Only $100 more than the adorably all digital 2 TB XSX no ?

I was disappointed by the price, but then, like you, I thought of that 2 TB Xbox one for 599. A much superior Pro also with 2T for 699 doesn't seem too expensive now...

 

[ManaByte]

Only $100 more than the adorably all digital 2 TB XSX no

The 2TB XSX is not all digital. I don't know where that FUD is coming from.

 

[Panajev2001a]

The 2TB XSX is not all digital. I don't know where that FUD is coming from.

I thought the new model was, ok… then $180 more than the 2 TB XSX… is it worth that specs wise or not ?

 

[Rudius]

The 2TB series X has a disc drive, so it’s 180$ more (280€ in Europe).

Different needs. I got a PS5 with the disk drive by mistake in 2020 (I guess the store was out of digital versions and had to send me that one). Only popped a disk once to test it, but never used it again.

 

[Senua]

I thought the new model was, ok… then $180 more than the 2 TB XSX… is it worth that specs wise or not ?

The XSX 2tb is overpriced too

 

[SlimySnake]

Interesting. How will they intercept and change the reconstruction solution from FSR or checkerboarding or TSR to their own solution? And even if they could do it would devs allow it without testing?

 

[ManaByte]

I thought the new model was, ok… then $180 more than the 2 TB XSX… is it worth that specs wise or not ?

No console with a disc drive is worth $830 after tax.

 

[Ronin_7]

Including the disc drive also wouldn’t have required a patch, idiots.

Facts

 

[Cyberpunkd]

This will be great for all those old and forgotten by the developers PS4 titles. This has been my biggest hope for the pro.

Truly an incredible thing - to play the games you already played a bit better. Because if there is one thing this industry needs is to make more of the same (with raising production costs) instead of new experiences.

 

[SweetTooth]

I thought the new model was, ok… then $180 more than the 2 TB XSX… is it worth that specs wise or not ?

Dude this series X is the biggest rip off in the market. Get more capable PS5 normal for less price or get a PRO for added benefit.

PS5 lineup is appropriately priced vs the competition

 

[Skifi28]

Truly an incredible thing - to play the games you already played a bit better. Because if there is one thing this industry needs is to make more of the same (with raising production costs) instead of new experiences.

What? We're not talking about remasters here, we're talking about software that automatically improves your existing games without developer input. Who would not want all those old 1080p PS4 games to look like 4k?

 

[gerth666]

The price really ruffled some feathers. They announced that several BC games will get framerate boosts and at some point soon all title will get AI assisted up scaling to improve visuals without any patch needed / effort required from devs and even that gets greeted by anger and bile.

Only $100 more than the adorably all digital 2 TB XSX no ?

The most vocal about the price I noticed are people who have no, or never intended to buy a pro in the first place

 

[FeralEcho]

Including the disc drive also wouldn’t have required a patch, idiots.

Greed requires a patch though and that server is offline.

 

[tooevil]

So Bloodborne with PSSR and PS5 pro boost mode

 

[Rudius]

Truly an incredible thing - to play the games you already played a bit better. Because if there is one thing this industry needs is to make more of the same (with raising production costs) instead of new experiences.

Gaming GPUs rely on that: people buy expensive NVidia cards and then mostly play the same games as those with cheaper hardware.

 

[Tarnpanzer]

Is this a spacial upscaler like DLSS1 or FSR1? Because without motion vector information etc. there is no way this would work for every game without devs investing time in patches for their games etc.

Just like DLSS 2 und FSR 2 devs need to implement support for it in their gamecode. I guess PSSR would work the same way. Therefore I call "bullshit" on this news.

 

[adamsapple]

FYI, Cnet's wording is a bit wonky.

They imply that PSSR will help all older games without needing patches.

An AI-assisted upscaling mode, called PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution, works across the whole game library without any needed patch​

A developer on Era says otherwise:

 

[hemo memo]

This will be great for all those old and forgotten by the developers PS4 titles. This has been my biggest hope for the pro.

Your biggest hope for a PS5 Pro console is to play PS4 games?

Also:

FYI, Cnet's wording is a bit wonky.

They imply that PSSR will help all older games.

A developer on Era says otherwise:

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

(I mentioned to Cerny and Nishino that I'd still love to see original PSVR games like Astro Bot Rescue Mission, which are incompatible with PSVR 2, to get ports that still haven't happened yet. I didn't get a response to that comment.)

The most important question anyone could ask

Glad it got asked

 

[Mownoc]

If that is accurate, it should have been advertised way more by Sony. Because that's a very cool feature.

 

[Rockman33]

Can’t wait to see what my PS3 library looks like on the PS5 pro!

 

[rob305]

Dude this series X is the biggest rip off in the market. Get more capable PS5 normal for less price or get a PRO for added benefit.

PS5 lineup is appropriately priced vs the competition

Hows the PS5 normal more capable? The Series X is more powerful in every way than the base PS5 and you can get it regularly for around $400. Only advantage PS5 has in my opinion are better first party games, but its certainly not more capable lol

 

[Rudius]

FYI, Cnet's wording is a bit wonky.



A developer on Era says otherwise:

He says eventually, and according to Cerny, so it would not be available right now for developers.

 

[Killer8]

Interesting. How will they intercept and change the reconstruction solution from FSR or checkerboarding or TSR to their own solution? And even if they could do it would devs allow it without testing?

It will probably work similarly to DLDSR. Take the final output image and reconstruct it up to a higher target and then downscale if necessary back to 4K. PS4 games at 1080p would be integer scaled up to 4K, while 4K games could conceivably be scaled to 8K and then back down to 4K.

It's actually something I was really excited about for the Pro as AI reconstruction can still do some work on an image its fed without it needing to be coded in. It's just inferior. See RTX Video for pretty solid results on video footage.

I could conceivably see it put to work on PS3 backwards compatibility if they ever got that working. 720p for the base PS5 and enhanced further with PSSR on the Pro.

 

[Skifi28]

Your biggest hope for a PS5 Pro console is to play PS4 games?

Everything else was known from the rumors. For those invested in the system with tons of games, having your entire library improved is pretty big. I'm not one of those that buys a game and sells it after they're done.

 

[semiconscious]

Your biggest hope for a PS5 Pro console is to play PS4 games?

Truly an incredible thing - to play the games you already played a bit better. Because if there is one thing this industry needs is to make more of the same (with raising production costs) instead of new experiences.

c'mon, admit it - you just don't get it... well, neither do i...

 

[SweetTooth]

Hows the PS5 normal more capable? The Series X is more powerful in every way than the base PS5 and you can get it regularly for around $400. Only advantage PS5 has in my opinion are better first party games, but its certainly not more capable lol

No its not, where were you the last 4 years? Lol

 

[thebigmanjosh]

Interesting. How will they intercept and change the reconstruction solution from FSR or checkerboarding or TSR to their own solution? And even if they could do it would devs allow it without testing?

This is where I hope Sonys broader tech is being leveraged.

Their top of the line TVs bypass hardware upscaling to identify source information (e.g. low nitrate 720p image upscale by Apple TV to 4k) and treat it as such vs the upscale input.

 

[AyraSutoraifu]

This will be great for all those old and forgotten by the developers PS4 titles. This has been my biggest hope for the pro.

Bloodborne.

 

[adamsapple]

He says eventually, and according to Cerny, so it would not be available right now for developers.

Cerny said that specifically about PSVR games.

Cnet's article, without using a direct quote, says it will work on the entire library without needing patches.

A developer working on PS5 Pro kits is saying that part is wrong.

I think the CNet author jumped the shark here.

 

[Skifi28]

c'mon, admit it - you just don't get it... well, neither do i...

You don't get why one would want PS4 games improved to the standard of ps5 with higher resolutions? Doesn't anyone else play older games, just whatever releases now?

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Who would not want all those old 1080p PS4 games to look like 4k?

I want new games, not old ones.

 

[skneogaf]

 

[Rudius]

Cerny said that specifically about PSVR games.

Cnet's article, without using a direct quote, says it will work on the entire library without needing patches.

A developer working on PS5 Pro kits is saying that part is wrong.

I think the CNet author jumped the shark here.

Someone should ask him for clarifications. But if that is being tested internally by Sony a third party developer would not know of it yet.

 

[Skifi28]

I want new games, not old ones.

Why not both? Haven't you ever discovered a game you liked that is older? Why would you not want to play it with better res?