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Tekken 5: FINAL JUDGMENT - With THROWS...and MORE THROWS...AND STUFF!
- Thread starter Leguna
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Anyanka said:
That's kind of what I was getting at. Jinpachi throws away all the rules of Tekken 5 that make it fun to play, and just randomly fucks you. It's absolutely not skill based, you can't block it, he just fucks you when he wants to. Why anyone finds that 'fun' is what I don't understand.
Again, I do like Tekken 5 a lot, but I cannot see why anyone would defend Jinpachi. He's shit.
Other than the palm he doesn't have anything that makes the fight any different than a regular Tekken match. I don't need to use any cheap special tactics or anything like that. And while the palm does suck, the AI isn't good enough to make it matter. He's just got strong moves, which is fine since he's the boss.
It would be horrible fighting him under human control though.
It would be horrible fighting him under human control though.
TO ALL:
Let's some things straight here, VF4, T5 and SC2 are all good games, BUT some are better than others for good reason. I would say that all 3 games are high skill based games. To give everyone a good idea of how those 3 fighters compare, look below:
BEST CHARACTER DESIGNS:
1st: Tekken 5
2nd: Soul Calibur 2
3rd: Virtua Fighter 4
BEST ANIMATION:
1st: Soul Calibur 2
2nd: Tekken 5
3rd: Virtua Fighter 4
BEST MUSIC:
1st: Tekken 5
2nd: Soul Calibur 2
3rd: Virtura Figther 4
BEST ENDINGS/INTRO:
1st: Tekken 5
2nd: Soul Calibur 2
3rd: Virtua Fighter 4
BEST EXTRAS:
1st: Tekken 5
2nd: Soul Calibur 2
3rd: Virtua Fighter 4
Let's some things straight here, VF4, T5 and SC2 are all good games, BUT some are better than others for good reason. I would say that all 3 games are high skill based games. To give everyone a good idea of how those 3 fighters compare, look below:
BEST CHARACTER DESIGNS:
1st: Tekken 5
2nd: Soul Calibur 2
3rd: Virtua Fighter 4
BEST ANIMATION:
1st: Soul Calibur 2
2nd: Tekken 5
3rd: Virtua Fighter 4
BEST MUSIC:
1st: Tekken 5
2nd: Soul Calibur 2
3rd: Virtura Figther 4
BEST ENDINGS/INTRO:
1st: Tekken 5
2nd: Soul Calibur 2
3rd: Virtua Fighter 4
BEST EXTRAS:
1st: Tekken 5
2nd: Soul Calibur 2
3rd: Virtua Fighter 4
Leguna said:
lol what. Tekken 5 is so bare bones, so what you can play old games once and be like lol those games are ugly. VFevo gives you all sorts of different REAL play modes, and the classic game is actually a combination of new and old making it a real bonus as opposed to some old games tacked on to fill up disc space.
Yeah, I do find it pretty damn funny that gameplay is again not mentioned. Leguna, you might want to pay attention to that every so often.
Regarding Single player content, I don't think that is even worth mentioning/comparing. I know VF4 has essentially the best 1P mode, but the meat of a fighting game is obivously in its versus mode.
Mann
Regarding Single player content, I don't think that is even worth mentioning/comparing. I know VF4 has essentially the best 1P mode, but the meat of a fighting game is obivously in its versus mode.
Mann
Mann, I'd say VF4 Evolution has the best single player modes simply because of the training mode that actually teaches you how to play the game. More games need to do this.
By posting this, you've pretty much confirmed to the entire forum what matters to you, and game play clearly isn't it.
Leguna, where's your "Control pads are better than arcade sticks and anyone that uses a stick is a retard" thread you said you would make? I need some more comedy.
Leguna said:
By posting this, you've pretty much confirmed to the entire forum what matters to you, and game play clearly isn't it.
Leguna, where's your "Control pads are better than arcade sticks and anyone that uses a stick is a retard" thread you said you would make? I need some more comedy.
morbidaza said:
I agree 100%. The point I was trying to get at is VF relies on a lot more on stratgey and knowing which options you have at the time and going with the one you assume has the highest rate of success. In Tekken, I think it is much more focused on landing that solid 80% wall combo or whatever, more so than breaking throws and all of that.
TO ALL:
WOAH!!! Hold it there! Gameplay is ultra important and I had already mentioned that all 3 games were highly skilled based, but i'm still undecided on which had better gameplay. As it stands now, this is the way I feel:
BEST GAMEPLAY:
1st: Tekken 5
2nd: Soul Calibur 2
3rd: Virtua Fighter 4
I had taken this out of my earilier reply because I'm still un sure if I find SC2's gameplay more fun, but I have decided that Tekken 5's is best.
And let me make very clear to all those players out there that think joy sticks are better than pads: PADs ARE BETTER AND WILL ALWAYS BE BETTER FOR FIGHTING GAMES THAN JOY STICKS! Reasons are because you can't be quite be as fast with a joy stick as you could with a pad both with the D-pad and buttons and with games like these, speed matters. This is not to say you can't be good with a joy stick, im saying you could be better with a pad (there you have it LyteEdge).
Lyte Edge:
Why do you still try to tell the forum that I don't care about gameplay? Dude, i've made it VERY clear in every review i've ever written that gameplay matters. But gameplay alone doesn't make a great game, its the music, gameplay and visuals that do (something you have a hard time agree with for some reason). NOW SHUT THE F*$& UP ABOUT THE GRAPHICS WHORE S*^%!!! I didn't mention gameplay in that last reply for a reason, but that shouldn't matter because in my review i discuss it, why you people have to keep arguing that I don't mention it everytime i talk about game is just asinine.
WOAH!!! Hold it there! Gameplay is ultra important and I had already mentioned that all 3 games were highly skilled based, but i'm still undecided on which had better gameplay. As it stands now, this is the way I feel:
BEST GAMEPLAY:
1st: Tekken 5
2nd: Soul Calibur 2
3rd: Virtua Fighter 4
I had taken this out of my earilier reply because I'm still un sure if I find SC2's gameplay more fun, but I have decided that Tekken 5's is best.
And let me make very clear to all those players out there that think joy sticks are better than pads: PADs ARE BETTER AND WILL ALWAYS BE BETTER FOR FIGHTING GAMES THAN JOY STICKS! Reasons are because you can't be quite be as fast with a joy stick as you could with a pad both with the D-pad and buttons and with games like these, speed matters. This is not to say you can't be good with a joy stick, im saying you could be better with a pad (there you have it LyteEdge).
Lyte Edge:
Why do you still try to tell the forum that I don't care about gameplay? Dude, i've made it VERY clear in every review i've ever written that gameplay matters. But gameplay alone doesn't make a great game, its the music, gameplay and visuals that do (something you have a hard time agree with for some reason). NOW SHUT THE F*$& UP ABOUT THE GRAPHICS WHORE S*^%!!! I didn't mention gameplay in that last reply for a reason, but that shouldn't matter because in my review i discuss it, why you people have to keep arguing that I don't mention it everytime i talk about game is just asinine.
MrAngryFace
Banned
Leguna is a joke character
Mr. Rellik
Member
Leguna must be getting a kick out of people replying to him. He can't be this dumb, or can he?
How many things has he bragged about then got owned in?
I know of: 1) Halo 2
2) SFIII:3s (he's world beater quality supposedly) :lol :lol :lol
anything else?
How many things has he bragged about then got owned in?
I know of: 1) Halo 2
2) SFIII:3s (he's world beater quality supposedly) :lol :lol :lol
anything else?
Leguna said:
:lol :lol :lol
No, sorry, not good enough...too many will miss out on what could be a classic thread. I want a new thread with this statement.
Hey Haunts, is the tourney here in Atlanta going to be using boards/machines, or game systems? Just wondering because Birdo said he wouldn't go if it's all arcade stuff since "joysticks suck."
Really? Well, let's pull up your last "review" and see what you had to say about the game play in Metal Gear Solid 3!
PLAYSTATION 2:
Metal Gear Solid 3
FINAL JUDGMENT SCORE: 10 out of 10 PERFECT SCORE
With MGS3, Hideo Kojima has proven himself to be best known entertainer in the world, in my opinion. I know everyone has a right to their own opinion, but damnit if you dont think this game is extremely well done then, with all due respect, you have no clue. Playing through MGS3 is now listed as one of my favorite moments of my life! Detailed and cinematic gameplay, awesome music by Harry Gregson Williams, and once again the best real-time cinemas in any videogame to date make this the best videogame ever made in my eyes (Im seeing the future of gaming through this game). Cheers!
GAMEPLAY: 10 out of 10
MUSIC: 10 out of 10
VISUALS: 10 out of 10
(Three pages of pictures of voice actors removed)
"Detailed and cinematic game play." - Oh look, the words "game play" are used in one sentence. I WAS WRONG. That clearly tells me all about the changes made to MGS3, and new additions like using tree branches, needing to treat wounds, eating for survival, etc. "DETAILED AND CINEMATIC GAME PLAY" covers it all!
"AWESOME MUSIC"
"Best real time cinemas in any video game to date"
-Yes, clearly a review focused on game play to show everyone what makes MGS3 play as well. I especially like how pictures of the voice actors were posted to make everything even that more in-depth. So informative!
Someone else used to have the tag, but you need "Owns himself daily" under your name. This is just too easy. :lol
-I don't have a hard time with it. I DO think that game play is, especially in fighting games, the most important part of a game, and I'm willing to overlook outdated visuals or bland music if the game play is fun. You do not, but never mind any of that. The point is that you NEVER talk about game play in thread you make. It's always about the music, character design, graphics, etc. LOOK AT YOUR THREAD.
You do? I hear "Tekken 5 has COOL new moves, COOL new throws, and COOL game play" in that video, then it's basically "but fuck all that shit, this game has AWESOME COOL music and AWESOME COOL CG movies, which look amazingly COOL and I KNOW because I do CG!!"
It's because YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT GAME PLAY IN YOUR REVIEWS. :lol That's why it's "you people" plural and not just one guy pointing it out.
Mr. Rellik
Member
"NOT JUST COOL MOVES, BUT VERY COOL WELL ANIMATED MOVES"
"ANOTHER PLUS FOR THIS GAME IS THE MUSIC, YOU'RE LISTENING TO THE SOUNDTRACK RIGHT NOW"
Yes Ii can't play a game if it doesn't have the bombest soundtrack and the best throw escape animations
:lol
"ANOTHER PLUS FOR THIS GAME IS THE MUSIC, YOU'RE LISTENING TO THE SOUNDTRACK RIGHT NOW"
Yes Ii can't play a game if it doesn't have the bombest soundtrack and the best throw escape animations
:lol
morbidaza said:
I'm not sure what all this means exactly? Are you saying Tekken doesn't have specific throw escapes? Cuz the 3 part King's Bridge throw string that I break on my friend all the time would disagree. He never gets more than part 1 off on me now and I've forced him to learn new strings. And different throws from difference characters are broken in different ways, same as VF. Try choosing your arguments of depth and complexity more carefully. Throw escapes are not a comparison point!
Mr. Rellik
Member
"THIS GAME LOOKS LIKE IT COST A FORTUNE TO MAKE. EACH CHARACTER HAS THEIR OWN HIGH END PRERENDERED COMPUTER GRAPHICS ENDING"
Outcast2004
Banned
For the record... FUCK JINPACHI.
What a cheap ass, lame boss.
typical "demon" bullshit... does a lot of damge, doesnt take a lot with UBER attacks,
Fuck all that.... even Ogre wasnt that ridiculous.
Is it just me or is Jinpachi's hit zones REALLY fucked up?
What a cheap ass, lame boss.
typical "demon" bullshit... does a lot of damge, doesnt take a lot with UBER attacks,
Fuck all that.... even Ogre wasnt that ridiculous.
Is it just me or is Jinpachi's hit zones REALLY fucked up?
:lol:lol 3d fighting game threads here are always hilarious...anyways, i was thinking about picking up t5 sometime soon, to see if it really does stack up to vf4:evo, which i've actually started playing again...started with brad again, then maybe wolf next. or aoi, but i don't think i'll ever be even decent with her.
LyteEdge:
Bringing up my first and only review SUMMARY doesn't help your argument at all. Besides, I mention gameplay I much as I mention anything else in that tiny paragraph. How about actually bringing up any one of my full reviews!!!
You can try to make it sound like I don't value gameplay, but you'll fail everytime. You sir, are finished.
Dude, in this thread alone, look at my written review of this game!!! Not to mention EVERY OTHER FULL REVIEW I'VE EVER WRITTEN! If you'd actually READ my reviews you'd see that I talk about gameplay everytime.
You've got no ground to stand on.
Bringing up my first and only review SUMMARY doesn't help your argument at all. Besides, I mention gameplay I much as I mention anything else in that tiny paragraph. How about actually bringing up any one of my full reviews!!!
You can try to make it sound like I don't value gameplay, but you'll fail everytime. You sir, are finished.
WHAT?????????????? Are you forgetting every "GAMEPLAY" section I've ever written? You're an idiot for saying that you realize.
Dude, in this thread alone, look at my written review of this game!!! Not to mention EVERY OTHER FULL REVIEW I'VE EVER WRITTEN! If you'd actually READ my reviews you'd see that I talk about gameplay everytime.
You've got no ground to stand on.
MrAngryFace
Banned
Gantz: your opinion is worth nothing tho, so why even post?
Kobun Heat
Member
Oh man, thanks for bumping this. Otherwise I would have totally missed that video.
Psst...Kobun Heat wants to see this for the comedy gold, not the content.
Let's take another look at more of your AWESOME COOL reviews:
Yes, Leguna, I was indeed wrong. Your reviews are just BURSTING with detail regarding the game play. I get such vivid descriptions of how the game is from reading your amazingly-detailed reviews. That one sentence about game play in RE4 sums it all up so well! And Ninja Gaiden being the only video game that relies on the player's relexes? No other game does that!!! MY MISTAKE.
Leguna said:
Let's take another look at more of your AWESOME COOL reviews:
FINARU JUDGEMENTO said:
Graphics Whorismo said:
Yes, Leguna, I was indeed wrong. Your reviews are just BURSTING with detail regarding the game play. I get such vivid descriptions of how the game is from reading your amazingly-detailed reviews. That one sentence about game play in RE4 sums it all up so well! And Ninja Gaiden being the only video game that relies on the player's relexes? No other game does that!!! MY MISTAKE.
LyteEdge:
Bring it!!! I've highlighted the sections where I talked about gameplay in the SAME reviews you posted in your reply. How about actually reading instead of just looking for the word "gameplay." Go ahead and explain to me how my hightlighted areas are not related to gameplay???
I agree, you are wrong. So what's your point??? That I'm right?
Bring it!!! I've highlighted the sections where I talked about gameplay in the SAME reviews you posted in your reply. How about actually reading instead of just looking for the word "gameplay." Go ahead and explain to me how my hightlighted areas are not related to gameplay???
I agree, you are wrong. So what's your point??? That I'm right?
My, my where to begin.
"The gameplay in NG is unbelievably well designed. Ryu (main character) has more moves than almost any fighting game I could name."
"NG is indeed a very hard game, but a very FUN hard! Every time I died it always felt fair and I never was angry for losing. This is because NG's difficulty is highly skill based. Anything and everything can be avoided; its up to the player to make the move. The gameplay is designed around the player's reflexes and fast decision making. People complain about the camera but it never got in my way of playing. The only change I would make is adding the ability to rotate the camera."
So, as a reader, this is what I've taken away from your review on Gameplay:
- Ryu has a lot of moves.
- Ninja Gaiden is hard but only if you suck at it.
- The camera didn't bother you, but apparently it did bother 'some people'. Maybe it'd be neat if you could rotate it.
Wow, what a treasure trove of gameplay knowledge.
What kind of moves does Ryu have? 'a lot' is pretty nebulous. Are they offensive? defensive? can you parry? how about reversal? aerial moves? super moves? is there any magic? can i switch fighting styles? Can I switch weapons? Is combat balanced?
Why is the game hard? You said it relies on a dexterious player. But does the save system have an impact? Do enemies respawn in an unfair way? Is health scarce? Do the levels not ramp up? Whats the learning curve like? If you suck at the start of the game does an average player have a chance to get better at it? Are there any tutorials to guide you? A detailed move list? etc, etc, etc.
What is the camera cumbersome even if you didn't feel it was. You said you can't rotate it, does that mean the player has no control? any control? is there a first person mode? Is there more than one camera style?
Furthermore:
Whats the point of the game? How does character advancement work? How does the story work? What's the level design like? Is it linear? Can you go anywhere at any time? Is it constrained at all? How does the save system work? For that matter what are the basic game mechanics? How complex is the control system? How intuitive is it? Could they have done anything to simplify it and make it more accessable?
Just because you used one or two sentences to describe how you felt a game played doesn't give ANY useful gameplay information to the reader on the actual mechanics.
I'd go into the RE4 stuff but the same issues apply.
It's like trying to tell someone what chess is like by saying:
"There are pieces, and sometimes they move"
"The gameplay in NG is unbelievably well designed. Ryu (main character) has more moves than almost any fighting game I could name."
"NG is indeed a very hard game, but a very FUN hard! Every time I died it always felt fair and I never was angry for losing. This is because NG's difficulty is highly skill based. Anything and everything can be avoided; its up to the player to make the move. The gameplay is designed around the player's reflexes and fast decision making. People complain about the camera but it never got in my way of playing. The only change I would make is adding the ability to rotate the camera."
So, as a reader, this is what I've taken away from your review on Gameplay:
- Ryu has a lot of moves.
- Ninja Gaiden is hard but only if you suck at it.
- The camera didn't bother you, but apparently it did bother 'some people'. Maybe it'd be neat if you could rotate it.
Wow, what a treasure trove of gameplay knowledge.
What kind of moves does Ryu have? 'a lot' is pretty nebulous. Are they offensive? defensive? can you parry? how about reversal? aerial moves? super moves? is there any magic? can i switch fighting styles? Can I switch weapons? Is combat balanced?
Why is the game hard? You said it relies on a dexterious player. But does the save system have an impact? Do enemies respawn in an unfair way? Is health scarce? Do the levels not ramp up? Whats the learning curve like? If you suck at the start of the game does an average player have a chance to get better at it? Are there any tutorials to guide you? A detailed move list? etc, etc, etc.
What is the camera cumbersome even if you didn't feel it was. You said you can't rotate it, does that mean the player has no control? any control? is there a first person mode? Is there more than one camera style?
Furthermore:
Whats the point of the game? How does character advancement work? How does the story work? What's the level design like? Is it linear? Can you go anywhere at any time? Is it constrained at all? How does the save system work? For that matter what are the basic game mechanics? How complex is the control system? How intuitive is it? Could they have done anything to simplify it and make it more accessable?
Just because you used one or two sentences to describe how you felt a game played doesn't give ANY useful gameplay information to the reader on the actual mechanics.
I'd go into the RE4 stuff but the same issues apply.
It's like trying to tell someone what chess is like by saying:
"There are pieces, and sometimes they move"
Kobun Heat
Member
They're not just cinematic, they're very cinematic.Azih said:
Drinky Crow
Banned
There was sickening crunch heard as Leguna struck the pavement, his head bouncing off the curb. Crimson ribbons arced from his broken jaw and a pair of teeth, rudely dislodged by the impact, made a faint rattle as they danced into the gutter.
"mmmmmmph. noooooooo...." mumbled Leguna, his face a grisly masque of pain. "i talked about gaaaammmmeplay...."
"Sorry," said Vark, as he lifted a hobnailed jackboot over the other poster's supine form. "I don't even think you get what gameplay is."
"is this final judgment," Leguna breathed wetly.
"Yeah."
A pair of GAF Street passers-by turned their head when they heard the staccato crack of Leguna's pinhead exploding all over the busy thoroughfare, but the rest continued on, disinterested as usual, faces buried in their PSPs . In the distance the mad delight of a LyteEdge was heard, and a Nintendog yelped, kicked by a surly Drinky hobo.
Just another day in the GAF.
"mmmmmmph. noooooooo...." mumbled Leguna, his face a grisly masque of pain. "i talked about gaaaammmmeplay...."
"Sorry," said Vark, as he lifted a hobnailed jackboot over the other poster's supine form. "I don't even think you get what gameplay is."
"is this final judgment," Leguna breathed wetly.
"Yeah."
A pair of GAF Street passers-by turned their head when they heard the staccato crack of Leguna's pinhead exploding all over the busy thoroughfare, but the rest continued on, disinterested as usual, faces buried in their PSPs . In the distance the mad delight of a LyteEdge was heard, and a Nintendog yelped, kicked by a surly Drinky hobo.
Just another day in the GAF.