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The Duke lacrosse accuser, 18 years later, admits she made it up

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member


Not everyone will remember, but it was a huge story at the time. Three Duke lacrosse players were accused of rape at a party. Things were *very* heated in the national discourse back then. Even after the charges were dropped and the young men won a major lawsuit, she maintained that it happened, until now.

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The Duke lacrosse case was a widely reported 2006 criminal case in Durham, North Carolina, United States, in which three members of the Duke University men's lacrosse team were falsely accused of rape.[1][2][3] The three students were David Evans, Collin Finnerty, and Reade Seligmann. The accuser was Crystal Mangum, a student at North Carolina Central University[4][1] who worked part-time as a strip tease dancer.[5] She alleged that the rape occurred at a party hosted by the lacrosse team, held at the Durham residence of two of the team's captains, and where she had worked on March 13, 2006.

Investigation and resolution of the case sparked public discussion of racism, sexual violence, media bias, and due process on campuses. The former lead prosecutor, Durham County District AttorneyMike Nifong, ultimately resigned in disgrace, and was disbarred and briefly imprisoned for violating ethics standards.

On April 11, 2007, North Carolina Attorney GeneralRoy Cooper dropped all charges, declaring the three lacrosse players "innocent" and victims of a "tragic rush to accuse".[6][7]

Cooper described Nifong as a "rogue prosecutor"; the district attorney withdrew from the case in January 2007 after the North Carolina State Barfiled ethics charges against him. In June 2007, Nifong was disbarred for "dishonesty, fraud, deceit and misrepresentation", making him the first prosecutor in North Carolina disbarred for trial conduct. Nifong served one day in jail for lying about sharing DNA tests (criminal contempt); he had not given results to the defense team. The lab director said it was a misunderstanding and Nifong claimed it was due to weak memory.[8]

While DNA analysis did not show evidence from any of the men she accused, Mangum continued to insist she was sexually assaulted that night. She was not charged for her allegations.[9]

Cooper noted several inconsistencies between Mangum's accounts of the evening and the alibisoffered by Seligmann and Finnerty, which were supported by forensic evidence. The Durham Police Department was strongly criticized for violating their own policies by allowing Nifong to act as the de facto head of the investigation; using an unreliable suspect-only photo identification procedure with Mangum; pursuing the case despite vast discrepancies in notes taken by Investigator Benjamin Himan and Sgt. Mark Gottlieb; and distributing a poster that appeared to presume the suspects' guilt shortly after the allegations were made public.[10]

Seligmann, Finnerty, and Evans brought a civil lawsuit against Duke University, which was settled. The university paid approximately $20 million to each claimant. The claimants also sought further unspecified damages and called for criminal justice reform laws in a federal civil rights lawsuit filed against the City of Durham and its police department.[10]
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
To add on, googling her I didn’t know she was in prison for murder as well. I guessed I missed that news back then. She’s possibly due out in a few years if released early.

-thief
-scamming sex worker
-something to do with arson
-murder

Read up on her wiki her sketchy background. She even stole a taxicab.
 
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drganon

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BlackTron

Member
She has a self defense claim on the dead ex, which while dubious, you could wonder if it was a single, inadvertent mistake in a heated moment in a scary relationship if she had 18 years of good behavior thereafter.

But with her list of repeated crazy shit, you know that's not what happened, she's just a selfish lunatic. She's nothing but a liability and should never be released from prison.
 

poppabk

Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Is this from some kind of interview. It would be interesting to know the entire truth about how and why this happened. Also this seemed more recent than 18 years ago in my head.
 

BennyBlanco

aka IMurRIVAL69
to what end did she do this?

i can understand accusing a celebrity as vile as it is, because you stand to gain a huge settlement. but why some college kids?
 

Mistake

Member
If the loser had to at least pay court costs, you'd see a lot less of stuff like this. It would free up the courts for a lot of things as well. Sounds like she's a real piece of work with all her other history too, yikes
 
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Saber

Member
This is not exactly an opinion or anything, this type of cases deserves severe punishments.
It damages the story of the women who actually suffered by this. If they go tame on her it only gonna reinforce this type of attitude. Allowing women to destroy the life of innocent people should not be a trend.
 

Lunarorbit

Member
If anything you undersold the furor EviLore EviLore . Shit was extremely heated with 3 preppy duke guys and 1 black victim. Everyone assumed at the time the guys were guilty.

This happens way more than you'd think. My natural instinct is to believe the victim but this is a perfect case against using feelings to render judgement.

Also there was that poor guy who was gonna go to usc ro play football and got falsely accused of rape. Pete Carroll actually gave him a tryout when he was released from prison. Brian banks

"A high school football star had a rape charge against him dropped after sixteen year old girl confessed that the rape never happened. He spent six years falsely imprisoned and broke down when the case was moved to dismissed."

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lifa-cobex

Member
"I hope you can forgive me for fucking up your entire life."

The thing about rape charges is even if proven innocent. The stigma tends to stick and people wonder behind your back.
What a total cunt.

A buddy of mine was accused many years back. He went from hell to highwater trying to find all the evidence to disprove it.
About a year later she admitted that she just didn't want to loose her BF at the time.
Even after several months after the dust had died down. We were all in a bar and a couple of the girls brought it up when he had gone to get a drink.
It conversation wasn't in the light of, "He was accused but it was proven false."
It was more akin to " He got arrested for rape." My co worker jumped in immediately to correct them.

It's completely fucked and people who throw out these accusations need prison time.
 
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EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
If anything you undersold the furor EviLore EviLore . Shit was extremely heated with 3 preppy duke guys and 1 black victim. Everyone assumed at the time the guys were guilty.

This happens way more than you'd think. My natural instinct is to believe the victim but this is a perfect case against using feelings to render judgement.

Also there was that poor guy who was gonna go to usc ro play football and got falsely accused of rape. Pete Carroll actually gave him a tryout when he was released from prison. Brian banks

"A high school football star had a rape charge against him dropped after sixteen year old girl confessed that the rape never happened. He spent six years falsely imprisoned and broke down when the case was moved to dismissed."
Yes, there was mass hysteria in the US at the time. I remember people having meltdowns whenever someone would not be willing to condemn the lacrosse guys as rapists, waiting for evidence or the courts. A prelude to #metoo.
 
Wow, I absolutely remember the case, but none of the aftermath. The lead prosecutor being disbarred is pretty crazy, and I didn’t remember the kids getting 20 mill a piece from the university.
That she basically became a career criminal is probably the least surprising thing of the whole outcome.
I wonder why she decided to confess finally. Did she find Jeebus in prison, or was it simply that the statute of limitations passed the freshness date?
 

Dural

Member
If anything you undersold the furor EviLore EviLore . Shit was extremely heated with 3 preppy duke guys and 1 black victim. Everyone assumed at the time the guys were guilty.

This happens way more than you'd think. My natural instinct is to believe the victim but this is a perfect case against using feelings to render judgement.

Also there was that poor guy who was gonna go to usc ro play football and got falsely accused of rape. Pete Carroll actually gave him a tryout when he was released from prison. Brian banks

"A high school football star had a rape charge against him dropped after sixteen year old girl confessed that the rape never happened. He spent six years falsely imprisoned and broke down when the case was moved to dismissed."

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Holy shit, did he at least get a large settlement for sitting in prison for 6 years and his life being ruined?
 

CSJ

Member
Holy shit, did he at least get a large settlement for sitting in prison for 6 years and his life being ruined?

$142,000 from the State of California.
That's it, $23k a year for being innocent and locked up, world is fucked up.
The person that accused him got $1.5m.

I have experienced with a scorned woman who wanted to go scorched earth but I caught it early and had proof of her plan.
I had friends who also went through similar shit.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Everyone should had been skeptical of the accusation from the beginning.

A stripper who already had a big run in with the law before the Lacrosse accusation should had been a major red flag from the get go. From wiki:

After graduation from high school in 1996, Mangum joined the US Navy. She trained to operate radios and navigation technology. While serving in the Navy, Mangum married McNeill. Her marriage quickly broke down. Mangum reported to police that her husband had threatened to kill her, but the charge was dismissed when she failed to appear in court.[1] She served for less than two years in the Navy before being discharged after becoming pregnant by a fellow sailor, with whom she went on to have another child.[1]

By 2002, Mangum had returned to Durham and was working as a stripper. In 2002, she was arrested on 10 charges after stealing the taxicab of a customer to whom she had given a lap dance. This prompted a police pursuit at speeds of up to 70 miles per hour, occasionally in the wrong lane. After being stopped, Mangum nearly ran over a police officer, succeeding only in hitting his patrol vehicle. She was found to have a blood alcohol content of over twice the legal limit. Ultimately, Mangum pleaded guilty to four counts: assault on a government official, larceny, speeding to elude arrest, and driving while impaired. She served three weekends in jail, paid $4,200 in restitution and fees, and was given two years' probation.
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jason10mm

Gold Member
There should be severe sentences for someone that tries to destroy someone's else life, by lying and defaming.
Not only is she damaging the lives of those she lied about, but she is also hurting the credibility of all the real victims of rape.
The problem is there is "she can't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt" and "she's LYING". If a woman accuses a man of rape, the evidence just isn't sufficient, and then SHE goes to jail...well, no one is gonna cry rape anymore.

Why this woman is admitting it now is either because she hopes it will commute her sentence somehow or she hopes for a run on podcasts and talk shows that she might profit from somehow, rather be INfamous than forgotten I suppose. Or release a second edition of her book :p
 

winjer

Gold Member
The problem is there is "she can't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt" and "she's LYING". If a woman accuses a man of rape, the evidence just isn't sufficient, and then SHE goes to jail...well, no one is gonna cry rape anymore.

Why this woman is admitting it now is either because she hopes it will commute her sentence somehow or she hopes for a run on podcasts and talk shows that she might profit from somehow, rather be INfamous than forgotten I suppose. Or release a second edition of her book :p

In both cases, the must be conclusive proof.
One thing is lack of evidence to prove a rape. Another thing is when there is evidence of falsifying a testimony of rape.
 

LordCBH

Member
In both cases, the must be conclusive proof.
One thing is lack of evidence to prove a rape. Another thing is when there is evidence of falsifying a testimony of rape.
What I especially detest is people coming forward 30 years after the fact and making accusations well after any and all potential evidence either way is long destroyed and gone.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
What I especially detest is people coming forward 30 years after the fact and making accusations well after any and all potential evidence either way is long destroyed and gone.
I dont know how it could work, but I always thought lawyers should be held accountable in some way. That would tidy up the legal system protecting crooks.

It's like a bank robbery where a bunch of guys rob a bank but one guy stands on the sidewalk getting cold feet. Technically he didnt rob the bank, but he lies and holds back info or defends the rest of his gang trying to get his buddies off the hook. He should be grilled too.

Same goes for a lawyer.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
In both cases, the must be conclusive proof.
One thing is lack of evidence to prove a rape. Another thing is when there is evidence of falsifying a testimony of rape.
I don't think there is as wide a gulf between those things.

Two people go into a room.

30 minutes later both come out.

The girl says she was raped. There is physical proof they had sex, but no injuries suggesting it was forced. Guy says she consented. Girl says she didn't.

If the guy is cleared, then basically by DEFAULT she is lying. Barring a sworn confession to lying, what else could possibly be used against her?

If there is even a slight chance she goes to jail now for a false accusation then that would suppress countless 'real' complaints because a lot of these things are very hard to prove. Sure, complete stranger grabs a girl and pulls her into the alley....relatively straightforward. But the "date rape" stuff is murky as all get out, even worse when you consider alcohol use often renders the girl non-consenting by default but such consideration does not extend to the guy.

Anyway, this particular case was fucked from the get go with that shitty DA and after a few years most of the people involved got their rewards, for good or ill. The fundamental issue here are all the folks that just ASSUME that OF COURSE a bunch of college guys would rape a stripper to where this story had any traction at all. Sadly that assumption is proven correct juuuust often enough to persist.
 

winjer

Gold Member
I don't think there is as wide a gulf between those things.

Two people go into a room.

30 minutes later both come out.

The girl says she was raped. There is physical proof they had sex, but no injuries suggesting it was forced. Guy says she consented. Girl says she didn't.

If the guy is cleared, then basically by DEFAULT she is lying. Barring a sworn confession to lying, what else could possibly be used against her?

If there is even a slight chance she goes to jail now for a false accusation then that would suppress countless 'real' complaints because a lot of these things are very hard to prove. Sure, complete stranger grabs a girl and pulls her into the alley....relatively straightforward. But the "date rape" stuff is murky as all get out, even worse when you consider alcohol use often renders the girl non-consenting by default but such consideration does not extend to the guy.

Anyway, this particular case was fucked from the get go with that shitty DA and after a few years most of the people involved got their rewards, for good or ill. The fundamental issue here are all the folks that just ASSUME that OF COURSE a bunch of college guys would rape a stripper to where this story had any traction at all. Sadly that assumption is proven correct juuuust often enough to persist.

With Law the onus of evidence always lies with the prosecution. Never with the defence.
Evidence must be made, beyond reasonable doubt, from the accuser. Not the defendant.
So in both cases, there must be concrete evidence. There is no default judgment for lying, if a rape accusation is not sustained.
It just means that the prosecution was not able to prove the rape allegation.
If there is to be a second case, trying to prove a person lied about being raped, then the prosecution must prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that she was lying and there was intention of malefaction.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
With Law the onus of evidence always lies with the prosecution. Never with the defence.
Evidence must be made, beyond reasonable doubt, from the accuser. Not the defendant.
So in both cases, there must be concrete evidence. There is no default judgment for lying, if a rape accusation is not sustained.
It just means that the prosecution was not able to prove the rape allegation.
If there is to be a second case, trying to prove a person lied about being raped, then the prosecution must prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that she was lying and there was intention of malefaction.
In this case, wouldnt she be guilty if she was brought back to court for admitting to lying? Perjury or whatever it's called.
 
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