Seomel
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not yet, weird as i thought should be out by now
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Coherenthy
Member
I'm not seeing much ghosting in Balanced mode. IQ looks more crisp compared to base PS5. I wish they unlocked the frame rate though.
As for Performance mode, still has this sharpened look. There's less ghosting too but looks like I'll be replaying the game on Balanced mode this time.
As for Performance mode, still has this sharpened look. There's less ghosting too but looks like I'll be replaying the game on Balanced mode this time.
Seomel
Member
Dis you get the patch with pssr toggle?
TrebleShot
Member
Ive just tried it,
Performance mode, looks like complete shit, this hasnt had PSSR added unless Ive missed it somehow. Looks like FSR with frame gen, that noisy low res horrible effect.
Balanced, currently best mode to play on imo, looks sharp and seems quite consistent frame wise.
Quality mode, why bother?
Performance mode, looks like complete shit, this hasnt had PSSR added unless Ive missed it somehow. Looks like FSR with frame gen, that noisy low res horrible effect.
Balanced, currently best mode to play on imo, looks sharp and seems quite consistent frame wise.
Quality mode, why bother?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Hasn't changed as far as I'm aware.
Seems to be the way to go. 40Hz/fps. No frame generation. PSSR.
Still capped at 60fps or did they cap it at 30?
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No PSSR shimmering, just a bit of instability/noise if you look closely. A win overall.
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Bernardougf
Member
They didnt mentioned more stable fps on perf. Mode though... only on balanced and quality... so ... dont know about that.
Bernardougf
Member
Im happy for all the gamers that enjoyed and are enjoying their Pro ... but with every new patch I feel more and more happy with my decision to wait and not buy this console...playing quality/40 fps modes are not my thing...and this console is doing nothing for most bad perfomance 60fps modes
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
It's a given. When the regular PS5 drops below 60fps during intense scenes, the Pro holds up better. In some instances, the PS5 can drop to sub-50 while the Pro remains at 60. It's simply the more powerful GPU at work.
Bernardougf
Member
Than why not mention together with the other two modes specially mentioned... anyway we will know soon.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
What do you mean, we will know soon? We already do. There have been frame rate tests since the Pro came out and it fares better.
And they didn't mention everything in the notes. They didn't even say quality mode is now capped at 30fps. The Pro's more powerful GPU providing higher frame rates has nothing to do with the patch. That's just how GPUs work.
Bernardougf
Member
Im talking specifically about this patch for bmw ... it has been tested ? The perfomance mode ?
Sorry.. but if in your patch notes you add "more stable fps in quality and balanced modes" why not put perfomance mode there ? It dosent make any sense ... if better more stable fps is to be assumed than its to be assumed for every mode in some capacity... therefore or you put every mode it achieved better fps or you put none.
But hey.. hope you are right .. it just dosent make it any sense to leave perfomance mode out of your "more stable fps" patch notes when it mentions the other two.
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I don't know, I wouldn't even use it as an example of a "decent" or "compliant" patch. If you listen to the author of the video analysis, you only see a slight improvement in sharpness but including noise in the image...
I don't understand how that can be "celebrated". Cases should be praised when the hardware was used more intelligently and that would make the PRO experience objectively better from all points of view.
That is to say, asking for much more and not so much that the Studio in particular does not screw up and do things like the Pro version being worse than the original PS5 version.
PS. The 60fps mode is framegen, not real 60fps. The difference is quite mediocre also.
Maybe DF gives more light and points out something that cannot be seen and explains that situation.
PS2. The highlight of the patch is more the improvement in the experience by locking 30fps and offering a properly balanced mode at 40fps. Before the patch neither mode was good.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Oh, in that case, no. The Pro patch doesn’t improve the performance that boost mode already provided.
I’m not exactly celebrating. I even mentioned that the 40Hz mode is 4 months late. This is the highlight of the patch and now the best way to play by a wide margin. Before that, every mode sucked. Now, we have something decent.
"No PSSR shimmering, just a bit of instability/noise if you look closely. A win overall" ....
I'm sorry if I haven't interpreted you correctly, but It gives the impression of a certain "celebration" for the Pro patch.
As you say, what can be celebrated about the patch is that the console game finally has some mode where it is pleasant to play when none were pleasant before. But that applies to PS5 too.
Regarding what you get in PS5Pro, it seems to me that it is a rather disappointing patch and the Studio here has made little effort in trying to take advantage of the Pro hardware more intelligently (without knowing what room for improvement they had of course).
Anyway, maybe it's better to wait for DF. There may be things that the author of that video misses.
Great summary. Just to add:
Performance mode - uses framegen, likely still capped to 60fps. base fps improved though hence the lower latency claim even in those parts that were 60fps locked on regular PS5. The performance mode will benefit all parts of the game.
Physiognomonics
Member
PSSR only on balanced. Performance mode with FSR and framegen is double SHIT. how is the input lag at 40fps? seems to best way to play it currently
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Just tried it in balanced mode.
Imo PSSR is a big win.
My screenshots (I've uploaded them in full resolution).
Base PS5
PS5 PRO balanced
I'm also not seeing the artifacts I saw before around the character while rotating the camera quickly with no motion blur activated.
Imo PSSR is a big win.
My screenshots (I've uploaded them in full resolution).
Base PS5
PS5 PRO balanced
I'm also not seeing the artifacts I saw before around the character while rotating the camera quickly with no motion blur activated.
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Skifi28
Member
I imagine the even biggest upgrade will be in motion and not stillsJust tried it in balanced mode.
Imo PSSR is a big win.
My screenshots (I've uploaded them in full resolution).
Base PS5
PS5 PRO balanced
I'm also not seeing the artifacts I saw before around the character while rotating the camera quickly with no motion blur activated.
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Rudius
Member
Played on normal PS5. Definitely improved.
The 40 fps mode is stable. 30 appears better than before, but too slow for me. 60 with framegen is about the same, and I found it playable before.
There is a sharpness slider now, from 0 to 10. 3 to 5 seems best to me. Default is 5.
In all modes I put motion blur at low. High blurs too much (really bad in the 60fps framegen mode) and off fells more choppy, so low is best.
Imagine quality may be a bit better now in the balanced mode, but I'm not sure.
My preferred way to play is blalence at 40fps, low motion blur and sharpness at 5 (maybe less).
The 40 fps mode is stable. 30 appears better than before, but too slow for me. 60 with framegen is about the same, and I found it playable before.
There is a sharpness slider now, from 0 to 10. 3 to 5 seems best to me. Default is 5.
In all modes I put motion blur at low. High blurs too much (really bad in the 60fps framegen mode) and off fells more choppy, so low is best.
Imagine quality may be a bit better now in the balanced mode, but I'm not sure.
My preferred way to play is blalence at 40fps, low motion blur and sharpness at 5 (maybe less).
In balanced frame rate seems really 40 fps locked as I don't see the fluidity spikes there were present before.
It seems a great update if you're playing in balanced mode. Personally I don't care about quality at 30fps and performance was too downgraded in graphics for my preferences.
PSSR in balanced is handling transparencies much better than before, previously I saw artifacts whenever you moved the rod or the camera, now these effects look clean!
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Rudius
Member
What it lacks now is the option to unlock the fps with VRR in the balance mode. PS5 pro should get into the 50s, which with VRR is almost indistinguishable from 60fps. On base PS5 an unlocked option should give just a bit extra over 40.
TrebleShot
Member
It's okay but clearly still not what you'd expect in 2024
They are a joke. If you disable 120hz in console settings, balance mode is 45fps yet.
It was using framegen before and it's using framegen still. What you're saying doesn't make much sense. They didn't introduce framegen. The base fps has increased.
Yes if you disable 120hz mode it will unlock the fps again because 40fps doesn't fit into 60hz anyway. So don't disable the 120hz setting.
Tarnpanzer
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Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Crazy that this still doesn’t even have a release date for Xbox. Guess I’ll keep waiting
I said they are using frame gen yet. The game feels unstable and more laggy than before. Probably because it’s 30 to 60fps in a 120fps container
And nope, they are not unlocking fps they are capping at 45fps like they did at release for 60hz tv
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If they are can’t even make a decent PS5 or Pro version, what do you expect will happen when they have to make a XSS compatible one?
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Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Don’t care. I have the X
Well I have PS5 pro I don’t care about you too
Zuzu
Member
The PS5 Pro screenshot is significantly sharper. This looks like a really good upgrade for image quality.
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Physiognomonics
Member
Best mode is now 40fps balanced mode with a 120hz screen or at 30fps using a 60hz screen. at least you get true framerate and lower input lag than the 60fps which has worse input lag and "fake" 60fps according to him.
PSSR does a decent job vs FSR compared to him but has a few problems still.
He really likes the 40fps mode with his 120hz screen: PSSR, no frame-gen, locked 40fps and lowest input lag of all modes.
Yeah PSSR is doing a great job compared to what we got in base PS5. Not only the image looks higher res but it has fixed some motion related artifacts that were present before (noise around the character while rotating the camera, particle effects around weapons).
Balanced mode is great.
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Shake Your Rump
Banned
Would this matter with PS5’s lower limit of 48fps for VRR?
That makes no sense though. What was it before? That hasn't changed.
Balanced just moves around as far as I remember when in 45fps mode locks to 40fps when in 120hz mode because 120 is divisible by 40. No point of capping to 40fps when you don't have 120hz enabled.
Rudius
Member
At 120hz mode it can use low frame rate compensation.
Rudius
Member
Quality mode is now “usable“, a proper 30fps instead of ~31. You can see this when moving the camera: no more stutters. However it feels too slow in this game.
40 is significantly better than 30. Not as good as 60, but you can get used to it.
S0ULZB0URNE
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VictorVectors
Member
This should be pinned for the whole thread.Just tried it in balanced mode.
Imo PSSR is a big win.
My screenshots (I've uploaded them in full resolution).
Base PS5
PS5 PRO balanced
I'm also not seeing the artifacts I saw before around the character while rotating the camera quickly with no motion blur activated.
Uncompressed this is a major IQ difference…
Surprising they didn’t delete all the other options and just force balance mode for all users.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
So they couldn't run 60fps on Pro without frame doubling. Huh.
Skifi28
Member
The game is pretty light on the CPU, they probably can if they wanted to. I'd also take the current 40fps mode with framegen to 80fps on VRR which would still be a big improvement. Maybe in 6 months at the rate they're discovering already established tech stuff.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Yeah, somehow you’ve managed to escalate this to a silly level. I said I didn’t care about the Series S SKU, because I don’t own one. I don’t see what that has to do with you or your PS5 Pro, but good for you, bro. I hope your $800 console is worth the investment.Well I have PS5 pro I don’t care about you too
LectureMaster
Gold Member
So what's the frame rate for quality mode? Is it close to 60 fps now?
I just don't feel like playing at 40 .
I just don't feel like playing at 40 .
Guardian Monkey
Member
Balanced seems to look good and perform pretty solid. I’m happy with the results, I would have loved to see 60 but if it’s not consistent and your swinging from 40-60 fps even in VRR all the time 40 ~fixed is the better play.
Quality mode 30fps. Balanced mode 40fps/120hz 45fps/60hz. Performance 60fps with frame gen