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[Nvzman]

Eh.. The vast majority of software sold on Switch are 3rd party software and Nintendo gets commission on each one.

They host dedicated Nintendo Directs for 3rd party software partners and indies.

They also change specification of their hardware to fit the needs of 3rd party partners.

They definitely need them and care about keeping them.

This isn't actually all that true, look at this:
Top Selling Switch Games

The top 23 best selling Switch games are ALL Nintendo. And 21 of them are in double digits of millions.

Nintendo may want to keep third parties on board to fill in the void when Nintendo themselves have nothing to release, but they absolutely do not care in general about where people are playing third party games because the majority of Nintendo's game sales ARE first party titles. It's effectively icing on the cake for them.

 

[Robb]

This isn't actually all that true, look at this:
Top Selling Switch Games

The top 23 best selling Switch games are ALL Nintendo. And 21 of them are in double digits of millions.

Total software sales on Switch are 1.306 million. Nintendo software, while selling incredible, will most definitely make up less than 500M of that number, and I feel like that’s being generous without having done the math.

 

[Nvzman]

Total software sales on Switch are 1.306 million. Nintendo software, while selling incredible, will most definitely make up less than 500M of that number, and I feel like that’s being generous without having done the math.

Dude if you read the text before the Wiki list, just Nintendo's top 5 franchises (Mario, Zelda, Splatoon, Kirby, Pokemon) alone are at around 450 million total on the Switch, that's not even including Smash or Animal Crossing.

They've already sold far more than 500 million, you guys are seriously underestimating just how much first party titles carry Nintendo's sales. It's been like this for decades now.

 

[Robb]

Dude if you read the text before the Wiki list, just Nintendo's top 5 franchises (Mario, Zelda, Splatoon, Kirby, Pokemon) alone are at around 450 million total on the Switch, that's not even including Smash or Animal Crossing.

They've already sold far more than 500 million, you guys are seriously underestimating just how much first party titles carry Nintendo's sales. It's been like this for decades now.

True, that narrows it down a bit and it’s definitely more than I thought. Very impressive as usual. Those are all the major sellers though so I doubt ‘far more’ than 500M is in the cards.

In any case though, if you sum up the data you’ll get a number that is far less than the total number of software sold on the system. I.e. 3rd party software is the vast majority of the software being sold.

 

[Woopah]

This isn't actually all that true, look at this:
Top Selling Switch Games

The top 23 best selling Switch games are ALL Nintendo. And 21 of them are in double digits of millions.

Nintendo may want to keep third parties on board to fill in the void when Nintendo themselves have nothing to release, but they absolutely do not care in general about where people are playing third party games because the majority of Nintendo's game sales ARE first party titles. It's effectively icing on the cake for them.

Wikipedia is a terrible source for this, since the vast majority of third parties don't give platform breakdowns on games.

That's why that Wikipedia list is mostly Switch exclusives and Namco games. It doesn't have FIFA, Hogwarts etc. because those sales numbers aren't publicly available.

This is the actual data:

This is from a section in Nintendo's presentation to investors all about the importance of third parties. These numbers don't include the sales from download-only games, or the revenue from free-to-play titles (both of which are areas third parties dominate).

 

[DeepEnigma]

The company that put this out on one of the most well known franchises in the world is cheaping out on hardware?

A ps4 portable power console is gonna be fine. Is disappointing but just enough.

The Switch 2 version will look the same. Now with random bushes and grass strands.

 

[Robb]

I.e. 3rd party software is the vast majority of the software being sold.

N Nvzman
Welp, I seem to suck at guessing. Looks fairly 50/50 split a lot of years from the actual data. So I guess “vast majority” is an overstatement on my part.

 

[Fake]

Does DLSS 4 CHANGE ANYTHING FOR NEXT GEN SWITCH?

DLSS can also act like AA.

Many Nintendo Switch games don't even have AA.

 

[Nvzman]

Wikipedia is a terrible source for this, since the vast majority of third parties don't give platform breakdowns on games.

That's why that Wikipedia list is mostly Switch exclusives and Namco games. It doesn't have FIFA, Hogwarts etc. because those sales numbers aren't publicly available.

This is the actual data:

This is from a section in Nintendo's presentation to investors all about the importance of third parties. These numbers don't include the sales from download-only games, or the revenue from free-to-play titles (both of which are areas third parties dominate).

You want an even more direct source?

PDF of Nintendo's March 2024 Fiscal Year Results

There's a slide in here (page 19) where they show that nearly 80% percent of their sales and revenue comes from first party titles.

I'm sorry but I think y'all are misunderstanding my point in that while Nintendo DOES want to keep third-parties onboard, they absolutely do not care about competing with PS/Xbox for third-party coverage. They make a massive shitload of money primarily on first party.

 

[GermanZepp]

The Switch 2 version will look the same. Now with random bushes and grass strands.

Pokemon games be like..

Am I right?

 

[Woopah]

You want an even more direct source?

PDF of Nintendo's March 2024 Fiscal Year Results

There's a slide in here (page 19) where they show that nearly 80% percent of their sales and revenue comes from first party titles.

I'm sorry but I think y'all are misunderstanding my point in that while Nintendo DOES want to keep third-parties onboard, they absolutely do not care about competing with PS/Xbox for third-party coverage. They make a massive shitload of money primarily on first party.

The margins on first party software (85% to 100%) are certainly higher than on third party software (30%), but that's still a big contribution to their profits.

Better third party support makes their platform more attractive and sell more. They don't care about third parties as much as Sony or Microsoft, but they would love to get third party support as good as PlayStation does.

 

[pulicat]

Nintendo literally can't do this even if Switch had a 5090 GPU inside it.

They make simple cartoony games with good gameplay. They are not capable of doing more than that.

 

[Emedan]

I have played Lego: Skywalker Saga on Switch - after this PoS I am never playing another Switch game again. Also - isn't Zelda struggling to hold 30FPS on Switch?

Sorry, forgot Lego was the end all be all of video games.

 

[daclynk]

And that was PS3++ console. Now imagine PS4+ console + DLSS+RTX with new control type.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

And that was PS3++ console. Now imagine PS4+ console + DLSS+RTX with new control type.

I don't know about you, but I love 1/4 the screen taken by a weapon, same with protagonist in 3rd person.

 

[64bitmodels]

Software is too sparse for my liking. Have gone years without turning my switch on

They need to start making more ambitious games

ambitious games like what?

 

[64bitmodels]

Zelda TOTK won best technology award in 2023 despite being a Switch game. Digital Foundry themselves complimented Nintendo for punching above its weight.

Just imagine what Nintendo capable on a system roughly 4-5 times more powerful than Switch

I'd prefer this
Pushing the system to its limit

Instead of this
Not fully utilising system power

they both look good.

It's easy to push a system to its limit if you make unoptimized trash with PS4 graphics

 

[64bitmodels]

Pardon my language, but how have you not realized for like 3 gens now (Wii, Wii U, Switch) that Nintendo could not give a fucking shit about what PlayStation/Xbox does. They do their own thing, they remain uniquely Japanese and focused on games and gameplay experiences, not appealing to tech nerds.

Trust me, these don't have to be mutually exclusive.

I think a Nintendo console with their first party offerings + third party that isn't gimped by terrible hardware would smoke everything else on the market harder than the Switch did.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

ambitious games like what?

AAA Zelda, Mario, Metroid and new IP

 

[mckmas8808]

Maybe Nintendo is going to release a Switch 2 Pro this time?

They actually should. In 2028, they should release a Switch 2 Pro.

 

[Nvzman]

Trust me, these don't have to be mutually exclusive.

I think a Nintendo console with their first party offerings + third party that isn't gimped by terrible hardware would smoke everything else on the market harder than the Switch did.

It would drive costs up to put in a much more capable mobile chip, which would turn off more of the market (especially families who cannot afford to dump $600+ dollars for a gaming system alone) than you think.

The Switch/Switch 2 is a mobile device first, console second. Mobile hardware is still not there where it could be competitive with PS5/Xbox while maintaining good battery life (even the ROG Ally X struggles to last more than 2.5 or 3 hours with an absolutely massive battery).

Again, Nintendo doesn't deliberately put in underwhelming/average specs. It's really obvious how many of you really don't understand how much R&D goes into developing a gaming device from a company as big as Nintendo.

 

[onnextflix5]

So Xbox one handheld and ps4 docked, with a much better cpu, ohh well it’s Nintendo, you can't expect much.