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sigmaZ
Member
Exactly.
Doomtrain
Gold Member
XIII has no world map at all. You can't ever revisit previous areas. The game is quite literally a big tunnel. It has no towns. With a few exceptions, up until the final endgame area, it doesn't even have branching paths in dungeons to get chests or anything. XVI might not be open-world, but it's nowhere near as linear as XIII was.
Hugare
Member
I watch pretty much all of his reviews, but saying that he is usually on the money ... I cant agree with that
Dude hated TLOU Part II, ffs. A game that many people loved (including me) and has 93 MC score.
So his opinions can be a little hit and miss for me.
But I listen to him anyway, 'cause even when I disagree with him on something, he expresses his sentiments really well
Its the reason why I'm watching his review right now despite not agreeing with his opinion about the game, at all (so far)
EDIT: Stoped watching 'cause some of his opinions were honestly really bad. "I didnt have the same problem with Yakuza, because there I was enjoying the story"
So instead of being objective, it became just a matter of not feeling it
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Yeah his take on this is baffling
I’m gripped with the story and lore in this game
Sounds like he is one of those people that can’t accept a game that doesn’t jive with their expectations of the series
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Low Moral Fibre
Member
I’ve seen quite a few people on Twitter saying this game already has multiple top sections in gaming ever and I guess they mean the Eikon bits? They look cool but the three I’ve done so far have basically been cutscenes - definitely not peak anything for me.
The OTT influencer reaction makes me think either Square had some left over marketing budget to hand out or people really love flashy shit with no substance.
I‘m loving the normal combat and enjoying the story but this is like a Tales of Arise level game for me and not some genre defining masterpiece.
The OTT influencer reaction makes me think either Square had some left over marketing budget to hand out or people really love flashy shit with no substance.
I‘m loving the normal combat and enjoying the story but this is like a Tales of Arise level game for me and not some genre defining masterpiece.
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
They are some of the top action set pieces in gaming.
They are something to look forward to after completing a boss fight. Final fantasy games have always been about rewarding the player with a spectacular sequence after a big fight
No one is claiming they’re not “superficial”, they’re cool as shit to watch play out in real time
The Infectious Paradox
Member
Man, the demo and full game crashes for me. I can't get past the settings screen. I literally just factory rest my console to see if it works.
Does playstation ever actually give refunds?
Does playstation ever actually give refunds?
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
MC back up to 88
Raven117
Member
Give me all the FF hate! Give me those salty tears. Tell me it isn't Final Fantasy. Tell me its not a "JRPG." Just...mainline it in there.
For me, this is the best FF has been in decades (excluding FFXIV). The whole ethos of Final Fantasy is that they can be new. They can be what the creator wants it to be.
For me, this is the best FF has been in decades (excluding FFXIV). The whole ethos of Final Fantasy is that they can be new. They can be what the creator wants it to be.
Hugare
Member
"Only a
SEGA could have been the one to make TLOU 2, for all I care, and I would have still think the same about it
The story was divisive, but there are tons of aspects of that game that should be objectively considered as one of the best, if not the best in gaming: soundtrack, visuals, acting, mocap performances, animation, design and etc. Pretty much everything besides the story, that is an entirely subjective point of discussion.
I didnt enjoy my time with Nier Automata, for example, but I recognize all the things that it does right.
If you arent objective in your analyzes, then I dont give a damn about them. SkillUp usually get this right, but not this time, imo.
Now, back on topic, 'cause there's been enough discussion about TLOU already, and I should have known better before mentioning it
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Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I’m just few hours in but together with FF7R this is really a fine tailored FF experience with all the right elements fitting right in. After that disaster of FFXV we’re lucky both Square Business main Units are kicking asses so hard!
Freeman76
Member
Lol WHAT????
This is so factually innacurate I just have to assume you havent played both of them, or maybe havent played either of them.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Reviews are a combination of objectivity and personal feelings. He says in the review that he misses a lot of things other FF games did that was stripped out of this title. And he counter the argument that people will say "It's just FF evolving" at the end of the review.
I still haven't started it yet, I'll judge for myself, but I am someone who does miss old school FF styles and I miss them dearly. Outside of FFVII Remake, I haven't truly enjoyed a FF title since FFX. And even FFX isn't in my top 5 of the series or anything.
FF is evolving and people don't have to like it and it can reflect in their reviews, there's nothing wrong with that. You don't have to judge a game for what it is if you don't want to.
I still haven't started it yet, I'll judge for myself, but I am someone who does miss old school FF styles and I miss them dearly. Outside of FFVII Remake, I haven't truly enjoyed a FF title since FFX. And even FFX isn't in my top 5 of the series or anything.
FF is evolving and people don't have to like it and it can reflect in their reviews, there's nothing wrong with that. You don't have to judge a game for what it is if you don't want to.
GymWolf
Member
The dude talk about challenge and combat systems in the games he review after playing on normal even when there are 2-3-4 more difficult modes, so yeah he never fail to make me laugh when he talk about those things.
If you can't come to the realization of why that is bad practise for a reviewer, just know that most games with good combat systems shine at the hardest difficulty (FF16 being just the latest example but this time is not his fault) and judgying the challenge of a game on normal that in most modern games is basically easy button mash mode is as moronic as it comes, casual players already know that easy and normal are kiddy mode, he should inform us about how much hard the game can be for people who search for a challenge.
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GymWolf
Member
It's divisive, some people love these gow moments with bombastic battles, some like us think they are all spectacle and no substance (while still enjoying them for what they are)
It seems like we are the minority
I'm not gonna bash the game for trying that but yeah, for me they are the pinnacle of spectacle, sure as hell not pinnacle of anything else.
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fart town usa
Member
The game is like 40 hours minimum. You expect people to play through the game multiple times?
It's like git gud turned on it's head. "Ohhhh, the standard and only available difficulty is too easy huh!? Well beat the game a few times and then come back and talk to me...."
Beyond parody at this point.
GymWolf
Member
Did you just missed the part where i said that ff16 is specifically not his fault but he does the same with games that already have 2-3-4 difficulty mode avaialble during the first run?
He should try the game on the hardest mode or at the very least hard mode since we know that easy and normal are...well...easy.
I'm the first one bashing ff16 for being a cakewalk (for now) and not having an hard mode for the first run, i have like 20 post about that, you picked the wrong guy.
From the post i quoted and the way i responded i thought it was clear that i was talking in general about his reviews...
wow my english really turned into shit today uh?
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fart town usa
Member
lol, I can't wait to see what you think of XVI. Hope I see the post when you get around to it.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I'm starting it after I finish my current game. I already have a hunch of how I'll feel about it. I think I'll probably enjoy it somewhat as an action game, but hate it as an FF game.
But I don't really like straight action games very much. I hated Valkyrie Elysium, I just thought it wasn't very good. I thought it was going to be more RPG-ish, they made it almost all action. Even games like God of War and Horizon have a lot of RPG elements in them, and exploration which made me like those games. This seems like it has even less than those games.
I'll find out soon enough and post thoughts in the OT.
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Raven117
Member
Yup. I mean, its fine not to like a game. You can still recognize the quality (even if its not for you). I always point to BotW...it just didnt' click with me. I still recognize the quality of the game.
saintjules
Gold Member
I mean that's just it though. Those are his opinions.
Whenever I watch videos like this I just take it as a different perspective to someone's else's mind/feelings because, well, we're not all the same. I can understand for a majority of his reasons why he felt this way. It's very well possible that these feelings are coming from a path of games he has played in the past that we may not have experienced ourselves and gave him the "oh not this shit again" feeling.
I remember at first I was getting annoyed by reviewers and others' thoughts about how Death Stranding was at launch. Giant Bomb's review of that made me feel the way you talked about SkillUp's. Over time though I understood why Giant Bomb felt the way they did.
There's nothing wrong with their perspective of a game. I'll just take their thoughts into account when I listen, but it will never be the deciding factor as to whether or not I'm buying a game. I have to feel if it is. And I do so by looking at gameplay videos.
When I watch gameplay videos and Trailers, I say:
Can I see myself playing this game?
Can I tolerate endless cutscenes?
Can I get past the mind-numbing sidequests?
Can I get past the grinding?
Now...if everyone was saying the game was 2/10 for similar reasons for example, I'll pay more close attention, but I'll make the call at the day and not by a reviewer's thoughts.
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Doomtrain
Gold Member
What's inaccurate?
FunkMiller
Member
Eh.
Watched Skill Up’s review. I‘m not really super keen on a linear, easy, exploration free, cut scene dominated game right now.
I think I’ll pick this up in a while for cheap.
Watched Skill Up’s review. I‘m not really super keen on a linear, easy, exploration free, cut scene dominated game right now.
I think I’ll pick this up in a while for cheap.
Dr. Claus
Banned
The game *is* open. It just isn't a generic open world. It uses linear and open zones in tandem with each other to great effect.
gow3isben
Member
Makes the criticism even more awful
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Personally I love the “too easy just press Square” takes from people who use the baby mode ring.
Dr. Claus
Banned
Literally from people who have barely played past the demo. Anyone who claims its overly linear is someone who outs themselves as someone who hasn't played the game.
kazuyamishima
Member
MC user score has been opened and as expected is getting a lot of 0/10 LOL
TheKremlinBossMan
Banned
Pathetic as hell.
muno
Neo Member
To the people who say "trust Opencritic" when regarding FF16 reviews, have you finished the game? Why does this game automatically derseve a 90-95? I'm 30 hours in and the game is 75% cutscenes and 25% fetch quests. As a huge fan of FF14 and YoshiP, this game has way too many problems to deserve it.
009EspadaSageJay
Member
ill i will say is i saw this coming from a mile away from being saying that the performance in the demo is from a old build, the extremely lack of any RPG mechanics shown at all during its entire marketing run, doesn't want to be a jrpg and ff14 stans saying you need to move on im not surprised. I dont mind the gameplay in ff16 since its pretty much a character action game but i get peoples complaints. I see people bringing up tales of games, yakuza, nier, ect but those games all have more rpg mechanics then 16 the fact that the quest in 16 flow like 14 is a giant red flag I knew they would yoshi-p should of like platnum and KH tokyko do the quest since the quest in both of the new nier games and KH are superior to anything in ff14 in terms of side content by far. The game being easy on the base difficulty is insane since even DMC5 on devil hunter can be hard at times if you have no idea what your doing but the game at that level will still put up a fight same with Nier and tales of games. KH3 re did there difficulty options since the base game and how it shipped was to easy re-mind fixed it.
Dr. Claus
Banned
I am about 60 hours in, only 3 eikons. Game has been 25% Cinematics, 75% gameplay.
Also no, never trust any review aggregate site. Just watch gameplay, see trailers, get a general idea of what the game is and if its up your alley. Stop putting stock into aggregate sites. They mean literally nothing on game quality. If they did, then TLOU2 would be an amazing game and NieR would be a shite game, not hte other way around.
SaniOYOYOY
Member
idk what to say, if a fan claimed he/she was there since 9 all the way to 7 remake and get baffled because the combat system is always diffrent. Are you really an ff fan in general or a fan of a specific ff game.
having said that I do miss 13 stlye of turn based, wishing 17 goes back there.
having said that I do miss 13 stlye of turn based, wishing 17 goes back there.
Neolombax
Member
I played a whole lot last night, up until the conclusion of the 2nd Eikon battle. I sort of already have an expectation that its not going to be your typical final fantasy experience. I can hardly call it a proper RPG either, its more Kingdom Hearts really. Accessories can sort of try to suit your playstyle a but its really really minor, so far anyway.
I'm enjoying the experience, the Eikon battles are God of War level boss battles in scale, but in between those, you have side missions like bringing wood planks from one side of the map to another lol. Havent unlocked any of those hunts mission or what not, the maps are so far quite linear and thats with the game menu saying I've completed 29% of the game. So far the game reminds me a lot of Tales of Arise, but I feel like Tales of Arise's open hub maps are bigger in the earlier parts of the game.
Story wise I'm still very much invested in Clive's journey. Personally I feel the writing is strong with very good performances overall. I think the difficulty is just challenging enough for me playing in action mode. The only convenience ring I've used so far is the one that automates Torgal, but Ive recently removed it to put on other skill boosting accessories.
I'm enjoying the experience, the Eikon battles are God of War level boss battles in scale, but in between those, you have side missions like bringing wood planks from one side of the map to another lol. Havent unlocked any of those hunts mission or what not, the maps are so far quite linear and thats with the game menu saying I've completed 29% of the game. So far the game reminds me a lot of Tales of Arise, but I feel like Tales of Arise's open hub maps are bigger in the earlier parts of the game.
Story wise I'm still very much invested in Clive's journey. Personally I feel the writing is strong with very good performances overall. I think the difficulty is just challenging enough for me playing in action mode. The only convenience ring I've used so far is the one that automates Torgal, but Ive recently removed it to put on other skill boosting accessories.
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
I would agree, but he kind of does miss on rare occasions.
Then really loves some random af shit...he's a bit here and there on taste: but his descriptions of said taste are best in show.
Guilty_AI
Member
I think the problem is many people thought this would be "THE GRAND RETURN OF FINAL FANTASY TO ITS FORM" or in some cases "THE GOTY TO BEAT EVEN ZELDA". They wanted nothing short of stellar reviews that would put it right up there with the classics of the classics among Final Fantasies.
Then it scores not much different from FF7R&I. Opinions on the game, divided. Most agreeing its a good game but not reaching a consesus on it being a magnificent one.
Then you have a couple of dumb reviews from big outlets throwing even more oil into the firepit.
Varteras
Member
Varteras sometimes it's not actually the review itself but the warriors/trolls who come out of the woodwork & have no intention to play the game fighting the good fight. The keyword "Sony exclusive" is like a bell ringing and out they come.
I know. Was just trying to bring a slight bit of levity into the thread. Just report trolls. They get reported enough, the mods can't ignore it. They're just miserable people anyways. Maybe a little pity would help.
Vroadstar
Member
I don't think the opinions about the game are divided, as Varteras mentioned, plenty of critics and players who already played the game think it's amazing (I'm one of them, and just trying to finish Diablo 4 to play this.)
Out of the 110 reviews, 100 are positive and only 8 are mixed, so that is not a divided opinion at all.
There will always be differing opinions about any game, even the best-reviewed, sold-the-most, GOTY material. At the end of the day, if you enjoyed it and then all differing opinions don't matter.
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Vroadstar
Member
Having only played the demo myself at this time, I agree, there are valid criticisms, even the best games have them. For me, it's too much blur in graphics/fidelity mode (not sure if they fixed it already). But divided opinions as you mentioned, not really.
My point is, which is why I quoted Varteras, from what I played so far, the game is amazing but some are just too focused on the 8 negative reviews discounting the 100 positive ones or 88 review scores like it's a bad game.
I've seen reports of not enough "pre-orders" or the worst I've read, PS5 overheating because of Eikon battle, they are clearly FUD some sectors propagate simply because it's an exclusive game, same here in the review section, there are valid criticisms
and then there are the usual suspects warriors/trolls.
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Low Moral Fibre
Member
I definitely don't agree with Skill Ups overall conclusion but I also definitely don't agree with the 10/10 reviews as there's too much wrong with the game imo.
I don't mind the move to action but they have streamlined things way too far imo. Even in GOW and Horizon your gear can completely change your playstyle but here it's like do you want the sword that adds 160 attack or the one that adds 165. I knew it was action orientated going in and in fact the combat is way better than I expected but I still thought there would be worthwhile loot and actual meaningful choices to make.
The world is really mediocre imo. They have sat on the fence between linear and open and just given us the worst of both worlds. The more open world bits are completely unambitious even compared to a Switch game like Xenoblade Chronicles 3 There's nothing to see or do other than fight trash mobs, there are no npcs to talk to, no buildings to enter, no point exploring.
The side quests have been completely lame so far. I get that not every Witcher 3 sidequest was a banger but these could be dropped into an early 2000s MMORPG without looking out of place.
The linear bits are no where near the fidelity of something like Demon Souls and are no where near as interesting as something like TLOU and so far have just been corridors lacking any interesting gameplay or set pieces. I kind of wish they had just gone all in on linear and made levels with absurd detail and memorable set pieces.
I'm guessing the crazy set pieces people are talking about are the Eikon fights but so far these have been glorified cut scenes. Really impressive looking cutscenes no doubt but I want games to at least make you feel like you are in control like that wall jumping portal bit in Jedi Survivor - I want sweaty palms afterwards and a feeling like "well that was awesome but thank fuck it's over".
I know 10/10 doesn't mean perfect but this game feels so dated in so many areas that there's too much for me to ignore.
I'm probably only 25% of the way through judging by what people have been saying about playtimes but things would have to totally change for me to be giving this a 10/10. If the game changes my mind later on I'm happy to eat crow though. I said before release that the combat looked laughably bad and I couldn't have been more wrong as it is brilliant.
It obviously a good game with really fantastic combat and, so far, a really well done story but I play loads of games that I'd have to admit are 7 or 8 out of 10 at maximum because I really enjoy certain elements of them and this is what FF16 feels like to me.
There's nothing terribly wrong with anything in FF16 it's just that large parts are mediocre. Witcher 3 for me is 90% amazing with 10% being absolutely terrible (the completely shit combat), I can get past that. This game is like 50% amazing and 50% mediocre which is harder to forgive.
I don't mind the move to action but they have streamlined things way too far imo. Even in GOW and Horizon your gear can completely change your playstyle but here it's like do you want the sword that adds 160 attack or the one that adds 165. I knew it was action orientated going in and in fact the combat is way better than I expected but I still thought there would be worthwhile loot and actual meaningful choices to make.
The world is really mediocre imo. They have sat on the fence between linear and open and just given us the worst of both worlds. The more open world bits are completely unambitious even compared to a Switch game like Xenoblade Chronicles 3 There's nothing to see or do other than fight trash mobs, there are no npcs to talk to, no buildings to enter, no point exploring.
The side quests have been completely lame so far. I get that not every Witcher 3 sidequest was a banger but these could be dropped into an early 2000s MMORPG without looking out of place.
The linear bits are no where near the fidelity of something like Demon Souls and are no where near as interesting as something like TLOU and so far have just been corridors lacking any interesting gameplay or set pieces. I kind of wish they had just gone all in on linear and made levels with absurd detail and memorable set pieces.
I'm guessing the crazy set pieces people are talking about are the Eikon fights but so far these have been glorified cut scenes. Really impressive looking cutscenes no doubt but I want games to at least make you feel like you are in control like that wall jumping portal bit in Jedi Survivor - I want sweaty palms afterwards and a feeling like "well that was awesome but thank fuck it's over".
I know 10/10 doesn't mean perfect but this game feels so dated in so many areas that there's too much for me to ignore.
I'm probably only 25% of the way through judging by what people have been saying about playtimes but things would have to totally change for me to be giving this a 10/10. If the game changes my mind later on I'm happy to eat crow though. I said before release that the combat looked laughably bad and I couldn't have been more wrong as it is brilliant.
It obviously a good game with really fantastic combat and, so far, a really well done story but I play loads of games that I'd have to admit are 7 or 8 out of 10 at maximum because I really enjoy certain elements of them and this is what FF16 feels like to me.
There's nothing terribly wrong with anything in FF16 it's just that large parts are mediocre. Witcher 3 for me is 90% amazing with 10% being absolutely terrible (the completely shit combat), I can get past that. This game is like 50% amazing and 50% mediocre which is harder to forgive.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Yep. Straight from Kitase himself, director of VI, VII, VIII, and X:
Could a future Final Fantasy be a CoD-style FPS? Surprisingly, the answer is yes
Final Fantasy is no stranger to changing genres, and some future game could play more like Call of Duty than you imagine.
www.vg247.com
FF can be whatever. Even Sakagichi once suggested something similar, that its still FF as long as the menus are blue lol (CoD campaigns are awesome btw)
Unknown Soldier
Member
They already made Dirge of Cerberus, it's only a perspective change from third to first person away from becoming a shooterYep. Straight from Kitase himself, director of VI, VII, VIII, and X:
Could a future Final Fantasy be a CoD-style FPS? Surprisingly, the answer is yes
Final Fantasy is no stranger to changing genres, and some future game could play more like Call of Duty than you imagine.
FF can be whatever. Even Sakagichi once suggested something similar, that its still FF as long as the menus are blue lol (CoD campaigns are awesome btw)