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FRIDAYTON MK II: 5.5 million bears and salmon create unholy allliance to sack SONY HQ
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What's funny is Cerny tells us that they doubled the RAM because the developers said 4GB is too little. Now all of a sudden, giving developers a pinch more and using the majority of the additional RAM for OS and everything is fine. They put in all of this extra GDDR5 RAM only to have the majority of it used for OS bloat. We're talking about future proofing... how about the lean mean gaming machine future proof the games and allocate more resources to it? No wonder that developer said Sony would be killed if they shipped with 4 GB of RAM with the story of this massive OS on the system. What did developers have to use before? 2 GB? 1.5 GB? If 4 GB is RAM aplenty for next-gen, take the extra 4 GDDR5 out and put that extra $50 or $80 towards a higher tier GPU.
I got on Microsoft for their massive resource usage not dedicated to games, so Sony will get the same treatment. At least in Microsoft's case, they are at least DOING something with the RAM, whether it be Kinect, the multiple operating systems or DVR functionality. Sony is just sitting on a massage pool of RAM for no reason they've communicated to gamers. 3.5 GB is utterly ridiculous. If 4.5 is supposedly enough for next-gen games, which are some of the most resource intensive applications around, what in the world is Sony planning to run in the background of a game? Allow you to instantaneously switch into a Home-esque 3d world/interface while playing a game?
I got on Microsoft for their massive resource usage not dedicated to games, so Sony will get the same treatment. At least in Microsoft's case, they are at least DOING something with the RAM, whether it be Kinect, the multiple operating systems or DVR functionality. Sony is just sitting on a massage pool of RAM for no reason they've communicated to gamers. 3.5 GB is utterly ridiculous. If 4.5 is supposedly enough for next-gen games, which are some of the most resource intensive applications around, what in the world is Sony planning to run in the background of a game? Allow you to instantaneously switch into a Home-esque 3d world/interface while playing a game?
giancarlo123x
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Wonder when Sony is just going to come out and say something.
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
Persecution complex: The most complex complex of them all.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Lame response. You know what I mean. lol
It's a different type of community on consoles than PC, though. Personally I like the console community better. Different strokes for different folks.
Yes. And do you think that was "just because", or do you think Sony paid for exclusivity?
Well you should be smarter than repeat everything you're told. I occasionally get tidbits from friends about this and that (for example I knew all the time The Witcher 3 was coming to Xbone when CD-Projekt was refusing to announce it and their programmers impressions of the consoles), but I try to keep what I hear to myself.
Like in the 15 minutes between thuway claimed it was exclusive and the multiplatform announcement?
4GB total, given that part of that 4GB would be used up by the OS, they got an upgrade overall, and that's what they wanted. Simple.
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
Wow, you're allowed to flat out accuse mods of bias like that?
Err don't blame me they asked what the insiders are saying these numbers are from a shinobi post earlier .... Take it up with him :s
Both FFXIII and FFVersus were exclusive to PS3 at first, because Xbox was in a laughable state in general.
I hope your not taking the word of so called "industry insiders". I am not buying it
So why put 4GB of extra GDDR 5 in there instead of giving us a better GPU/processor or dropping the price even further? CURRENT gen games might not use 4 GB, but you best believe the differences will start availing themselves when developers fully make the transition from current gen to the next-gen.
zeopower6
Member
It's not entirely stupid given that people shit on the PS3's OS all the time because they didn't plan ahead.
I don't get why you're getting on thuway's case... a ton of stuff changed during E3. Even CBOAT wasn't 100% correct during this year's show.
toddhunter
Member
If the PS4 had 4GB of RAM...it would still need to have an OS. This would mean there would be maybe 1.5-2GB available for games, which would be too little.
So Cerny is still fine with what he said.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I think they are making it up/trolling.
Hahaha. So true.
Alebrije
Member
3.5 GB
2.5 GB
1.5 GB
Nobody knows , its called speculation and thanks to it we have a 100 page td.
Keep calm and wait for Sony , or developers statements....
And you're sure of this?
BleachAndPepsi
Banned
The problem is, we've had developer statements, which all basically say "Calm the fuck down. You people have no clue what you're talking about. We have plenty of RAM to work with, for the sake of holy fuck."
Nobody listened.
Amazing how devs (you know, the guys and gals who work with this shit) all seem to be more than happy with the PS4's RAM. But don't let that cloud your righteous indignation.
toddhunter
Member
Again, you are assuming that none of the original 4GB would have been reserved. They doubled the RAM and in the process at least doubled the available memory for games. Seems to me this is delivering exactly on the request.
Sure of what? They were exclusive because PS2 killed everyone.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
You seem to have something against the guy. Did he even say he got the info 15 minutes before the square conference?
He (and a few others) heard about it being exclusive and they spoke about it. Who's to say thuway didn't hear that information a few days earlier?
PrivateWHudson
Member
Not trying to be misleading, truly curious.
Why, how much Ram did they ask Cerny for?
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
And yet all developers seem to be happy with the amount of RAM right now. How is that possible.
zeopower6
Member
With XIII, it was certainly a big surprise. The rumor behind XV/Versus was that Sony was helping them out with the game, so it was unlikely that it was going to be multiplatform but then... it was.
If devs had something like (let's say) 2.5GB to work with before the upgrade vs the 5.5GB they have now I think it's a massive upgrade.
dynamitejim
Member
People need to stop saying this like it means anything. PS3's OS shrunk dramatically over the life of the system in terms of RAM usage, it was still bigger than the 360's OS, and it still lacked features in comparison. It had nothing to do with a lack of RAM.
BleachAndPepsi
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ViewtifulJC
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Sony moneyhats, far as the eye can see
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Then what was it?
freefornow
Member
Think it will be more like 9.7 for games (well according to the info on this thread). The OS will be on Sony servers and the extra Ram will be piped over your network connection.
That's why CBOAT should keep his leaks to himself. Stuff like "MS is paying for not mentioning other versions" turned out to be flat out wrong. No point in doing those confirmations when you're wildly off the mark way too often.
Tallshortman
Member
This is the dumbest reach I think I've seen yet, though to be fair I've only lightly skinned this thread since it was always destined to be a shitstorm. You're going to spend more than $800 on a PC with a 7950 and a blu ray drive unless you get a CPU that bottlenecks your GPU or buy mostly used parts. That's skipping over the PS+ nonsense.
vpance
Member
4 isn't enough minus the OS. And now they have enough, and for the near future.
I'm guessing ~2.5 is exactly what is was before. It's the same roughly 60/40 split.
Don't be so hurt. Things will be okay.
Who said this? Worse case there is 5.5GB of super fast memory and a really nice, feature rich and smooth OS. This is actually a positive to me, because it sounds to me like the PS4 will not only push better graphics, but keep up in terms of OS with the Xbone.
moriquendi32
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I agree with this. Was reading it on a break at work, then couldn't find it when I came home. Only found it again randomly when I wanted to see why such a strange thread had become so long.
dynamitejim
Member
Probably a lack of dedicated silicon for certain things like audio/voice chat.
freefornow
Member
Insiders are saying 7/10
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
It really is a lot easier to hear confirmation and THEN come out and say "i knew it"...
Indeed it is. For what it's worth I said on Neogaf back in the day that Haze could be a PS3 exclusive before any rumours appeared online whatsoever, but got scolded by the friend who told me that, so I stopped leaking anything whatsoever (I don't claim to know many industry people BTW).
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Pure speculation the before and the after.