zenspider
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After how relatively happy an pleasant this episode was, I have a feeling the bad is going to be so much worse than I expect.
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Game of Thrones Season 8 |OT| A Song of Icy and Fiery Fandom
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After how relatively happy an pleasant this episode was, I have a feeling the bad is going to be so much worse than I expect.
Musky_Cheese
Banned
Loved the episode. Maybe needed my Elephants
Also this
Also this
Musky_Cheese
Banned
I loved the episode
But I can’t help but laugh when “we don’t have time for this! No time at all”
And then “brb gonna go play in a field for a while”
But I can’t help but laugh when “we don’t have time for this! No time at all”
And then “brb gonna go play in a field for a while”
JimiNutz
Banned
When Jon jumped up I expected him to ask 'where does this giant spike go?'
I assume he took his Dragon spike up the butt when he was riding the beast rather than up his non existent clam cave.
Musky_Cheese
Banned
Yoda
Member
6.5/10 All the reunions being jam packed made them all feel not as important. Dragon ride wasn't necessary, given this season is already truncated and there are so many plot lines to wrap up they really shouldn't be wasting time w/flashy CGI scenes. The Tyrion Sansa reunion in particular was stupid; the writers have lowered his IQ by at least a full standard deviation for no apparent reason. Caliber of the story def still feels like season 7 (the worst season of the show imo).
Jon Neu
Banned
They have introduced that Jon can ride a dragon too, so when he battles the night king we can feel he has at least some experience.
Also, seeing dragons fly over the lands of the north is beautiful as fuck. And Drogon watching Jon being all kissy kissy with Dany was hilarious.
Yoda
Member
I suppose, but reveal of him being Aegon -> him riding it afterwards would've been plausible enough. It was great fan service, but still felt very HBO committee decided this scene must be present somewhere in the episode so we have to put it in.
Jon Neu
Banned
Well, I hope all the criticisims we can draw are this minor nitpicks through all the season.
For me, the worst things of the episode were Arya -the actress is so bad is not even funny-, and Euron still being a stupid over the top flamboyant character that has no deep and no resemblance at all with the Euron of the books.
Apart from that, everything else was pretty good.
JimiNutz
Banned
Similar?
Exactly that.
manfestival
Member
The episode was just OK. I was just happy to see it back and knowing that we are finally going into the END GAME
Duallusion
Member
Felt like not much has happened (funny ending of that useless flying scene almost made the whole thing worth it) and they only have 5 episodes left. Are they going to start killing main characters in groups by the time this is over? Will we get lenghty epilogue texts for every character left standing a'la Baldur's Gate, when all is said and done?
So many interactions yet to see, so little time left.
So many interactions yet to see, so little time left.
Chiggs
Gold Member
Felt like not much has happened (funny ending of that useless flying scene almost made the whole thing worth it) and they only have 5 episodes left. Are they going to start killing main characters in groups by the time this is over? Will we get lenghty epilogue texts for every character left standing a'la Baldur's Gate, when all is said and done?
So many interactions yet to see, so little time left.
They're going to apply Stephen King's Under the Dome method: Just kill off a chunk of the cast in one ridiculous explosion. Now how's that for efficiency?
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Jon Neu
Banned
ThatStupidLion
Member
personally i expected more from the eps. It was enjoyable though overall and a good eps. nothing really to crit... still the cersei euron arc is terrible I think....
also, i thought every eps was gonna be 90 min? is that not the case?
also, i thought every eps was gonna be 90 min? is that not the case?
Fbh
Member
As an opening episode I think it was fine.
- I agree that beside giving Jon Snow some basic experience riding a dragon, that whole scene felt a bit unnecessary. It also looked terrible, the dragons on their own look fantastic but when you put real actors on them the CG becomes all the more obvious and the green screen effect looks 100X worse.
- With Jon now knowing who he is, that whole scene with Sam and the north in general not being too pleased with their new ruler, the show is definitely building up some conflict with Deanerys. Which is good because fuck her.
- The Bran kid continues to have the best job in this show. Getting paid to sit around acting like he doesn't care
Nope.
I think at some point it was hinted it might be that way but as it says in the OP. First 2 episodes will be 60min, the rest will be 80
- I agree that beside giving Jon Snow some basic experience riding a dragon, that whole scene felt a bit unnecessary. It also looked terrible, the dragons on their own look fantastic but when you put real actors on them the CG becomes all the more obvious and the green screen effect looks 100X worse.
- With Jon now knowing who he is, that whole scene with Sam and the north in general not being too pleased with their new ruler, the show is definitely building up some conflict with Deanerys. Which is good because fuck her.
- The Bran kid continues to have the best job in this show. Getting paid to sit around acting like he doesn't care
Nope.
I think at some point it was hinted it might be that way but as it says in the OP. First 2 episodes will be 60min, the rest will be 80
Secret_Lover
Member
Does Cersei honestly believe that she can
Surely there must be some kind of deception play here. There´s no way she´s dumb enough to think that would work. Unless I´m mis-remembering the relationship between these characters.
convince Bronn to kill his 2 bestest buds in the middle of an arctic apocalypse because "I´ll make it worth your while"?
Javthusiast
Banned
Was more of a setup episode, but pretty much expected of every new season at this point. I liked all the reunions, they were handled well. Especially Jon and Arya.
And there were reunions I totally forgot could happen like Sansa and Tyrion, which also was done well and that last scene with Bran waiting for an ''old friend''. xD
I am sure Bran will forgive Jaime quick, considering he pretty much put him on the path to become the three eyed raven.
What bothered me though was the lame filler with Theon. Why kidnap his sister in the first place, if she is getting rescued in a minute without any consequences?
And there were reunions I totally forgot could happen like Sansa and Tyrion, which also was done well and that last scene with Bran waiting for an ''old friend''. xD
I am sure Bran will forgive Jaime quick, considering he pretty much put him on the path to become the three eyed raven.
What bothered me though was the lame filler with Theon. Why kidnap his sister in the first place, if she is getting rescued in a minute without any consequences?
Musky_Cheese
Banned
Kenpachii
Member
Just watched it.
lovely episode. Everybody is now on the same play field. Sansa not getting played anymore by anybody and basically walks over everybody around her with wisdom. Really liked her interaction with the dwarf and with john snow.
I felt bad for Sam tho, dude couldn't hurt a fly and getting that news from the person that did it.
Now it's going to be interesting to see if the dragon lady is going to accept this information specially when she knows sam must probably hate her and made the story up.
I think the crippled kid also has a great role and the ending is absolutely fantastic.
The dragon ride wasn't much of a isseu for me. It's needed most likely as john will have to spend some time with the dragons in order for them to create a band for maybe later on.
However i felt like the information about john snow background should have been done already a while ago as everybody now already knew it and it's not much of a surprise to anybody at this point.
lovely episode. Everybody is now on the same play field. Sansa not getting played anymore by anybody and basically walks over everybody around her with wisdom. Really liked her interaction with the dwarf and with john snow.
I felt bad for Sam tho, dude couldn't hurt a fly and getting that news from the person that did it.
Now it's going to be interesting to see if the dragon lady is going to accept this information specially when she knows sam must probably hate her and made the story up.
I think the crippled kid also has a great role and the ending is absolutely fantastic.
The dragon ride wasn't much of a isseu for me. It's needed most likely as john will have to spend some time with the dragons in order for them to create a band for maybe later on.
However i felt like the information about john snow background should have been done already a while ago as everybody now already knew it and it's not much of a surprise to anybody at this point.
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Lyanna Mormont sums up my sentiments about Season 7.
"Your Grace? But you're not, are you? You left Winterfell a king, and came back a b--" iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch
Jon will readily sacrifice anything for the realm, and has already given his life, but sacrificing his manhood on the alter of Daenerys is coming back to haunt him after that powerful conversation with Sam.
"Your Grace? But you're not, are you? You left Winterfell a king, and came back a b--" iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch
Jon will readily sacrifice anything for the realm, and has already given his life, but sacrificing his manhood on the alter of Daenerys is coming back to haunt him after that powerful conversation with Sam.
Uhtred
Member
It was a good set up episode. Almost everyone is together in the same place at the same time. Should be very interesting. I thought Jon would have said something to Sam, like "why did you not send a Raven to me like a few weeks ago Sam! I could have known that info before I hooked up with my Aunt!!!!!!!!"
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LaughingStock
Member
I didn't like how it was no big deal how Jon can ride a dragon. We know Jon is a targ. But she doesn't. She should have shown some surprise. Or does she think anyone can mount a dragon?
manfestival
Member
We also know from the preview that everything either begins the next episode or goes down the following one.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I'm loving the "but I've never ridden a dragon before" jokes on the internet right now.
interactivemonodrama
Banned
they nerfed tyrion and I don't like it one bit
_Starscream_
Member
I actually like this ending I've seen on Reddit:
"To me, this foreshadows an eventual Jon death and Daenerys on the throne, but wishing she could have back what she lost, pregnant with Jon's child.
The past few seasons, especially the last episode, have built Jon to be too good to sit the throne. He's morally just, trustworthy, honorable, he's basically done nothing wrong, he's willing to give his life to save the Kingdom and its people.
Daenerys is still flawed. She's still learning. Despite her lessons in Essos, she's unaccustomed to Westeros. She's making mistakes, breaking hearts, doing what she thinks she needs to be doing .. she reminds me a lot of Stannis, who eventually learned he had to save the realm to rule it.
I truly believe Jon will die to save Westeros, and Dany finally becomes the leader she has to be, but she rejects and maybe even hates the throne because it cost her everything: Jon, dragons, the Unsullied, the Dothraki, possibly more than that, leaving her only with Jon's child. She will sit the throne and realize it's a hunk of twisted and burned metal, not her red door, not her home, not anything. She has yearned for it and it's nothing she wanted.
This fulfills the bittersweet ending: Jon is dead, having given his life for Westeros, and Dany gets everything she wanted--only to realize she hates it and lost everything."
"To me, this foreshadows an eventual Jon death and Daenerys on the throne, but wishing she could have back what she lost, pregnant with Jon's child.
The past few seasons, especially the last episode, have built Jon to be too good to sit the throne. He's morally just, trustworthy, honorable, he's basically done nothing wrong, he's willing to give his life to save the Kingdom and its people.
Daenerys is still flawed. She's still learning. Despite her lessons in Essos, she's unaccustomed to Westeros. She's making mistakes, breaking hearts, doing what she thinks she needs to be doing .. she reminds me a lot of Stannis, who eventually learned he had to save the realm to rule it.
I truly believe Jon will die to save Westeros, and Dany finally becomes the leader she has to be, but she rejects and maybe even hates the throne because it cost her everything: Jon, dragons, the Unsullied, the Dothraki, possibly more than that, leaving her only with Jon's child. She will sit the throne and realize it's a hunk of twisted and burned metal, not her red door, not her home, not anything. She has yearned for it and it's nothing she wanted.
This fulfills the bittersweet ending: Jon is dead, having given his life for Westeros, and Dany gets everything she wanted--only to realize she hates it and lost everything."
Grinchy
Banned
The actor for Sam fucking killed it in that scene where he's told about his dad and brother. There he was asking for a pardon for stealing books from old cronies and a sword that was his anyway, and suddenly he was forced to at least pretend to pardon the woman who murdered his family.
I'm glad they got Jon's king reveal out right away. I bet he keeps it to himself, or if he does reveal it, who will believe it? Dany will think Sam is making this claim out of spite for his family being killed by her, the people in the north are already questioning Jon's decision-making and may not believe it, ect.
I'm glad they got Jon's king reveal out right away. I bet he keeps it to himself, or if he does reveal it, who will believe it? Dany will think Sam is making this claim out of spite for his family being killed by her, the people in the north are already questioning Jon's decision-making and may not believe it, ect.
Endless Fluff
Banned
I enjoyed the episode. Liked the reunions, especially Jon and Arya. It had some lows which felt unnecessary, the whole dragon ride thing was pure fanservice. Drogon taking a good look at Jon was kinda funny.
I was surprised and then kinda not when Cersei gave the command to get rid of both Jamie and Tyrion. I actually didn't expect that, but it makes sense for her to be a salty bitch. That makes it all the more likely that Jamie (or Tyrion) is going to kill her in the end.
Overall I'd say it was a good opener.
I also liked the new intro.
US only. Nice. Too lazy to setup VPN and make US account. Fuck this shit.
I was surprised and then kinda not when Cersei gave the command to get rid of both Jamie and Tyrion. I actually didn't expect that, but it makes sense for her to be a salty bitch. That makes it all the more likely that Jamie (or Tyrion) is going to kill her in the end.
Overall I'd say it was a good opener.
I also liked the new intro.
US only. Nice. Too lazy to setup VPN and make US account. Fuck this shit.
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
MastAndo
Member
I enjoyed the episode, then again I probably would have enjoyed anything GoT after all this time. Considering the dire tone initially set with Bran saying there's no time for all the formalities, there sure was a lot of dilly-dallying and mellow conversation without a sense of urgency. The dragon flying scene seemed a little odd and pointless - wouldn't that have been better served as a recon mission of sorts to see how far South the white walkers had gotten?
There were a bunch of cool moments though, like Bran's "I'm waiting for an old friend" and the pay-off of that with Jamie's arrival - but again, kind of weird that the "there's no time" guy, also decided to sit in a courtyard brooding at everyone for the entire day after saying this.
I also thought Sam (or John Bradley, rather) did a great job with his reaction to hearing how his dad and brother were executed and how his expression escalated into anger....also glad they told Jon of his lineage so quickly...and that he finally knows something.
There were a bunch of cool moments though, like Bran's "I'm waiting for an old friend" and the pay-off of that with Jamie's arrival - but again, kind of weird that the "there's no time" guy, also decided to sit in a courtyard brooding at everyone for the entire day after saying this.
I also thought Sam (or John Bradley, rather) did a great job with his reaction to hearing how his dad and brother were executed and how his expression escalated into anger....also glad they told Jon of his lineage so quickly...and that he finally knows something.
Only Targaryen bloodlines can ride dragons. Dany doesn't appear to know that -- she quips about Jon being eaten, but, well, she gave him a death sentence actually -- but someone versed in historical lore like a Maester or Red Priest would understand the implications. The host at Winterfell saw Jon riding, which will probably factor into whatever power struggle emerges later.
MastAndo
Member
Right, didn't mean to trivialize the significance of Jon actually riding the dragon, moreso the waterfall/romance culmination of it rather than something more useful (given the circumstances).
Ah, yeah, agreed. I'd prefer a scene like that to carry the narrative forward more and accomplish something significant, but I don't think there's much to worry about given how hard episode 2 looks to escalate.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
How about they both die and some relative nobody ends up on the throne. Seems more fitting.
Or maybe they all transition into representative democracy who knows.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
That was established as canon?
BlueAlpaca
Member
Eh, it was an OK episode. Better written than any season 7 episode, that's not saying much though. I just want them to get this over with, I've already resigned myself to the fact that this show will never live to its potential. I'm not expecting more than some good action and awful-to-decent writing to wrap this up. Golden age of entertainment, pfft.
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Other Old Valyrian houses could ride Dragons, but those lineages are all extinct other than the Targaryens.
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Dragonrider
eot
Banned
I thought it was pretty meh, not because there wasn't enough plot (although I agree that the dragon riding sequence was pointless), but because none of the dialogue was particularly interesting. Dany and Sam was the only good scene IMO, the rest fell flat (Jon / Arya, Arya / Hound, Arya / Gendry, Sansa / Tyrion). If the dialogue had been as captivating as when they still had book material to use, then this episode would've been fine.
Also, the Yara rescue in and out in 2 minutes, what was even the point of having her be captured then?
Also, the Yara rescue
in and out in 2 minutes, what was even the point of having her be captured then?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
But that already happened last season on a boat
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