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[Ulysses 31]

It's convincing to Joel. That's all that matters.

I think at most Joel could see Ellie agreeing to do the surgery, not sure he believes the Fireflies having the resources and capacity to save millions, especially after the damage he'd done to them. I don't even think any of that was on his mind before he met with Marlene again after the elevator.

 

[DragoonKain]

I fully expect seasons two and three to depart from the games a lot more than season one did, because Craig Mazin is an extremely good writer and producer, as evidenced by Chernobyl.

You're right. He honestly gives me way more hope than Druckmann. Hopefully he talks him out of making Ellie a bland revenge robot and spends time exploring Ellie a lot more as a person.

 

[DForce]

I give you example: Nier also takes place in our world that also suffered from pandemic but hey showed they improve their technology in order to make Gestalt project possible, is it realistic? no but they showed their way.....Even with all that they still failed miserably.

TLOU in other hand showed nothing about having some kind of advance tech or solution in order create vaccine and distributed to entire world with little to no resource.

Show me solution, realistic or not, show me something.

They didn't show anything because Ellie was the only immune person in the story.

If no one disputed the possibility of the cure in the story, then that means the writers never intended for it to be interpreted any other way.

 

[SlimySnake]

Yeah, I agree with that. As a revenge story it's fine. Very well done, in fact. But I didn't just want a revenge story for part 2. It felt like the narrative of the sequel to a lesser game, in my opinion.

It would have been far more interesting and challenging to present us with a story where relationships develop over time. The first game succeeds so well because it's all about the relationships. Game two is all about the plot.

I think the whole violence begets more violence and the cycle of revenge aspect of the game was kinda lame at the end. I mean we can take the ending of TLOU2, and chart out the entire story of TLOU3. Abby goes home, gets PTSD, finds out where Ellie is and goes to kill her. Ellie and her have yet another fight. Ellie bites her tits off and Abby learns to forgive her. And on and on we go.

A better story would've been showing Ellie and Joel working together to fix their relationship as they go hunting for Abby. Either for Tommy's death or Dina's. Using Joel's death as a plot device is just lame. I get that he was going for this meta MGS2 kind of gameplay experience but using Joel to do some meta experiment is kinda lame tbh. The death also forced him to write Ellie as a guilt ridden survivor with zero charm or charisma, and that hurt the story in the end because Abby was unlikable and Ellie was unlikeable and aside from Jessie and maybe Tommy, all the other characters were unlikeable.

I really hope Neil's learned from it not just for TLOU3, but also for whatever retcons he intends to do for the show. He's already changed Joel in the show A LOT. Maybe he did it to give him a better ending.

 

[Ulysses 31]

They didn't show anything because Ellie was the only immune person in the story.

If no one disputed the possibility of the cure in the story, then that means the writers never intended for it to be interpreted any other way.

Then the writers dropped the ball when it comes to making that part of the story believable to players/viewers IMO.

There's hints the Fireflies weren't up to the task with all their medical and research failures so far. And then there's the state they're in that isn't confidene inspiring either.

 

[DForce]

Then the writers dropped the ball when it comes to making that part of the story believable to players/viewers IMO.

It would be impossible to show proof that it would work unless Ellie sacrificed her life. The problem with some fans is that they allow their mind to wander and make up theories.

There's hints the Fireflies weren't up to the task with all their medical and research failures so far. And then there's the state they're in that isn't confidene inspiring either.

Quote them. People like to bring up notes but never quote them. A lot of this is made.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

This does make me think, logically, in universe, that if the reason Ellie is immune is because her mother got bitten before the umbilical cord was cut, then like....

Assuming the entire rest of the world outside American borders didn't self immolate at the news of a fungus Outbreak, then there, statistically basically HAS to be SOMEONE else who was born under those strict circumstances.

 

[EN250]

We can nitpick a million things. The doctors didn't hear the shootout in the hallways?

They only sent two guards with Joel when Marlene knows how brutal he is? She would've killed him on the spot, she knew he'd come for revenge sooner or later. She's not stupid.

Not to mention all the other stuff about the show.

I don't mind the small stuff. I mind when they ruin characters. *Cough* TLOU2 *Cough*

I assumed doctor was hurrying up the process, tho it doesn't make much sense, but whatever, man has a job to do and won't stop for anything

Joel is not brutal in the show, he can barely fight hand to hand, I was surprised when I saw him taking out those two guards knowing he could barely fight against one enemy 5 episodes ago, now when he got the guns, he's good shooter so everything that happens in the hospital works well

Marlene sent him out with a knife and his bag, she didn't want him dead since she had the situation in control, how much further could he go with only a knife? also why she would know Joel's attachment to Ellie?, yeah, he clearly shows corncern for her but she dismissed that acting like she's the one who's more attached to her knowing the story with her mother and all that

Never understood why the game wants to be tied with the fireflies, they are nothing more than a guerrilla group, at not point they're shown to be better than the current organization running things, they bomb places terrorist style and want to take control at any cost, Fedra happens to be better than them at everything, that's why in the game they're so few and so desperate to find a cure as way to gain support from the common people

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

Overall, I think it is a ok show though very inferior to the game. 6/10.

 

[DragoonKain]

Gustavo is god tier composer.

 

[Beastclaw Raider]

Gustavo is god tier composer.

That track is great. They've used it for the shootout and Joel holding Ellie in his arms while getting her out of the hospital since for Joel, it's all the same.

 

[DragoonKain]

Am I remembering fiction or did Neil already confirm that Abby is going to be a major character in TLOU 3. I was thinking about how much of a slap in the face it would be if she was because

Spoiler

It would be a slap in the face to Joel's character for him to only get a game and change and Abby to get two full games. There's no reason for them to continue Abby's story unless Ellie decides to finish her off. Aside from that Abby's story is done. To force feed the audience another game of Abby when you didn't allow Joel another game and his character had waaaaay more meat on the bone, would suck.

But maybe he never said that and I'm misremembering things.

 

[Roni]

Am I remembering fiction or did Neil already confirm that Abby is going to be a major character in TLOU 3.

I wouldn't mind them jumping from protagonist to protagonist as the franchise goes on. Would prevent the story from going stale and each new installment could introduce a number of supporting characters which could be promoted to protagonist status depending on audience reception. If they want this franchise to be around in 20 years, this would be the way to do it. This doesn't need to be an IP like 007, where they stubbornly force the same protagonist to stick around... Even if that protagonist is Ellie.

 

[mxbison]

Last episode was pretty weak IMO, just like the one before that. Everything feels rushed. Doesn't hit anywhere near as hard as the games. It's more like "huh, that escalated quickly".

I assume season 2 might run into a similar issue.

Still a really good show though, 8/10 for me.

 

[banjo5150]

I actually enjoyed how quick the show moved along. Versus stretching out an entire season with filler and stuck in one area forever.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

I actually enjoyed how quick the show moved along. Versus stretching out an entire season with filler and stuck in one area forever.

Well there were 2 filler episodes.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

Last episode was pretty weak IMO, just like the one before that. Everything feels rushed. Doesn't hit anywhere near as hard as the games. It's more like "huh, that escalated quickly".

They got the pacing wrong and the ending exchange did not hit as hard as the game because the delivery was off to me. I don’t think the actress playing Ellie is good enough for the role to be honest.

 

[Gaelyon]

Season 1 was great, very thoughful adaptation with nice production value and great acting overall. They trim the fat from the game which would be unwatchable for a tv series : dozens of infected and raiders fights, hundreds of drawers inspected for crafting loot, ladders "puzzles" and so on, to keep the essential storytelling. There's a lot of small "gameplay" one shot tidbits, like the strangle hold on episode 6, the ladder on episode 9 etc. which are a nod to the game but without the overexposure.
Episode 9 has most of it a complete mirror of the game, to the exact same dialog/scenes with just some small welcomed additions like Joel's suicide attempt confession and one ear deafness explanation.
Seasons 2 and 3 will be TLOU2 adaptation and I'm so curious how they'll spread the two points of view (Ellie/Abby) across.
With TLOU multi coming next year and TLOU3 in preparation this franchise is only on its lauching ramp.

 

[V1LÆM]

Well there were 2 filler episodes.

no there wasn't.

i assume you mean the bill and riley episodes? bill is in the game and riley is in the left behind dlc. i'd have rioted if left behind was left out. the bill episode isn't what is in the game but it's not filler.

 

[Spaceman292]

I think I'm the only one bothered by this, but the show has established that this version of Joel is a weaker and more vulnerable version of the one from the game. He has bad knees, bad hearing, can easily get overpowered by a teenage boy, and struggles to kill 1-2 raiders at once.

Then in the finale we finally see him act like the game version of Joel. He's effortlessly walking around the hospital stone faced like The Terminator, and mowing down trained soldiers in kevlar and assault weapons. It just felt inconsistent with the Joel they've established in the show.

They said that he was much better just a few years ago. I think it's pretty believable that he regressed a few years when he was backed into a corner.

 

[VulcanRaven]

 

[TheGodfather07]

They said that he was much better just a few years ago. I think it's pretty believable that he regressed a few years when he was backed into a corner.

It made it more realistic and human. Just think how the world going to total shit would take a massive toll on people's mental, emotional and physical health. We would all be suffering with all sorts of problems. You think Joel wouldn't be fucked up seeing his own daughter killed right in front him as the world collapsed? Shit would leave anyone with ptsd and panic attacks for the rest of their life.

 

[Ulysses 31]

It would be impossible to show proof that it would work unless Ellie sacrificed her life. The problem with some fans is that they allow their mind to wander and make up theories.

So you do every test you can think of first before proceeding to kill your only live specimen(after only a few hours and without informed consent btw). The problem is some fans completely ignore other options the Fireflies had and the state they're in and make up theories how the Fireflies would've saved the world.

Quote them. People like to bring up notes but never quote them. A lot of this is made.

You may be right(I'd have to double check all the artifacts in the game), it's not notes but recordings saying they've had no breakthroughs since the passive vaccine tests and they'd been going around in circles(in other words: no results). Doesn't change that the Fireflies don't look to be up for the task with what the game shows of them.

 

[dorkimoe]

Man. Whoever is gonna get cast as Abby better not be on social media lol

 

[GymWolf]

If it was poorly done, then the ending wouldn't be so divisive.

What people have to understand is that Ellie is not Joel's daughter. Ellie had the right to make her own decision and Joel wanted to make sure that didn't happen. Most people would have done the same thing in Joel's decision, which makes it morally grey or hard for some people to decide because it's CLEAR that it's something Ellie did not want to do.

Part II is based on the fallout of the decision, and it was expected to happen. That's not an incredibly bad writing motif. Everyone is justified for their actions in the second game, but we see the results of those actions throughout the story. I always question people's interpretation of the story whenever they bring up bad writing. lol

Ellie is a huge hypocrite in tlou 2.

We know that she knew joel was lying to her, but she still enjoyed her life with joel, dina and the others just to have that exagerate reaction when joel confess, but the whole point of the first game ending was that she knew the truth or at least that joel was lying and just accepted the fact, so is she bipolar or just a hypocrite?

She didn't acted like a miserable unhappy person with survival\jesus complex before joel confession, at worse she was a bit moody.

I hated her in that moment, ok joel did the wrong thing but you fucking enjoyed the life he gave to you by risking his own, if she REALLY cared about the destiny of the world she would have called joel's bullshit immediately after the hospital scene, why waiting? So you can live an happy life for a while?

What an ungrateful bitch on top of her imaginary high morality horse.

 

[DragoonKain]

Man. Whoever is gonna get cast as Abby better not be on social media lol

The Rock can handle it.

 

[EN250]

Man. Whoever is gonna get cast as Abby better not be on social media lol

Well yeah, people really got a connection with Joel so seeing him die quick will not sit well, but what I really wanna know is how they're going to get to do the role, like she's going to be more "vulnerable and real" as in less roided version or just like in the game? like where you find a woman as jacked as the game character that also can act? Never saw an actress with that combination in all these years

 

[Roufianos]

Well, be prepared for a huge drop off in views then.

No way people are gonna tune into this weekly just for Bella Ramsey, nor is anyone going to believe she could go on Ellie's killing spree.

 

[GymWolf]

The Rock can handle it.

Too small.

 

[Roufianos]

The Rock can handle it.

Dude, he's not hench enough to play Abby.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Ellie is a huge hypocrite in tlou 2.

We know that she knew joel was lying to her, but she still enjoyed her life with joel, dina and the others just to have that exagerate reaction when joel confess, but the whole point of the first game ending was that she knew the truth or at least that joel was lying and just accepted the fact, so is she bipolar or just a hypocrite?

She didn't acted like a miserable unhappy person with survival\jesus complex before joel confession, at worse she was a bit moody.

I hated her in that moment, ok joel did the wrong thing but you fucking enjoyed the life he gave to you by risking his own, if she REALLY cared about the destiny of the world she would have called joel's bullshit immediately after the hospital scene, why waiting? So you can live an happy life for a while?

What an ungrateful bitch on top of her imaginary high morality horse.

An interesting take.

My issue with TLOU2 Ellie is that she seems to have wanted the operation to happen without ever seeing Joel again after she lost consciousness and nearly drowned. After all their bonding she's fine abandoning Joel like that? To me that doesn't seem in character of TLOU1 Ellie.

 

[GymWolf]

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[DForce]

So you do every test you can think of first before proceeding to kill your only live specimen(after only a few hours and without informed consent btw). The problem is some fans completely ignore other options the Fireflies had and the state they're in and make up theories how the Fireflies would've saved the world.

You may be right(I'd have to double check all the artifacts in the game), it's not notes but recordings saying they've had no breakthroughs since the passive vaccine tests and they'd been going around in circles(in other words: no results). Doesn't change that the Fireflies don't look to be up for the task with what the game shows of them.

Now it's just no results while trying to create a vaccine?

You were trying to portray them as incompetent.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Now it's just no results while trying to create a vaccine?

You were trying to portray them as incompetent.

Incompetent with how they handle Joel and Ellie yes. We don't really know if that also applies to their testing and research methods but so far they have nothing to show for it. Incompetence is not off the table in that area.

Even if they have competent medical researchers/surgeons, doesn't mean the vaccine stock and supply will be management competently too.

 

[Elysion]

Man. Whoever is gonna get cast as Abby better not be on social media lol

What if she‘s really hot? Like, imagine if they cast someone like Anya Taylor-Joy, or Ana de Armas lol.

„Yeah, killing Joel was bad, but on the other hand… she looked so cute when she swung that gold club!“

 

[Warnen]

Great show, could have used more infected but meh prob cost to much. Got high hopes for season 2 sure they can unfuck that story with some better editing and cuts (ie start it from Abby point of view so we actually care about them). Hell spilt the game over 2 season, do the 1st all about after math of this story through Abby eyes, end the season with the thing…

Pick up season 3 thru Ellie again.

 

[DForce]

Ellie is a huge hypocrite in tlou 2.

We know that she knew joel was lying to her, but she still enjoyed her life with joel, dina and the others just to have that exagerate reaction when joel confess, but the whole point of the first game ending was that she knew the truth or at least that joel was lying and just accepted the fact, so is she bipolar or just a hypocrite?

It was evident in The Last of Us Part II that the relationship was strained. This is what happens if you believe something without confirmation.

A husband or wife might stay with their partner if they suspect their partner is cheating. However, things will completely change if they confirm that their partner cheated. This is what happens if you believe something without confirmation.

This is what happened to Ellie.

She believe Joel was lying, but she didn't know for sure. The birthday trip when she appeared happens until the end where it writing on the wall called the Fireflies liars. In the second flashback, you can easily see that there's something wrong between Ellie and Joel. At the end of the flashback, she questions Joel again in a way that she didn't believe the lie that he told her.

This is what caused her to confirm her suspicion.

She didn't acted like a miserable unhappy person with survival\jesus complex before joel confession, at worse she was a bit moody.

I hated her in that moment, ok joel did the wrong thing but you fucking enjoyed the life he gave to you by risking his own, if she REALLY cared about the destiny of the world she would have called joel's bullshit immediately after the hospital scene, why waiting? So you can live an happy life for a while?

What an ungrateful bitch on top of her imaginary high morality horse.

It's not that simple.

People lost their lives on their way trying to get to the Fireflies (Tess, Henry, and Sam), and she nearly died several times trying to get there with Joel. She wanted her journey to mean something after all the struggles they have been through.... and yet it amounted to nothing. So she has every right to be upset after dealing with so much guilt.

 

[Karppuuna]

Movies and Series watchers aren´t that stupid than gaming fanboys, so they dosent care that Joel dies in season 2, no death treats to the actor for sure.

 

[DForce]

Incompetent with how they handle Joel and Ellie yes. We don't really know if that also applies to their testing and research methods but so far they have nothing to show for it. Incompetence is not off the table in that area.

Even if they have competent medical researchers/surgeons, doesn't mean the vaccine stock and supply will be management competently too.

Look at your statement.

There's hints the Fireflies weren't up to the task with all their medical and research failures so far. And then there's the state they're in that isn't confidene inspiring either.

This was completely false. This is how a lot of false rumors get spread about this story. People always reference notes when it doesn't back up what they say. As soon as I asked you to quote it, you tell me that I'm right.

So the notes/recordings did not prove or even give hints that they weren't up to the task.

 

[GymWolf]

It was evident in The Last of Us Part II that the relationship was strained. This is what happens if you believe something without confirmation.

A husband or wife might stay with their partner if they suspect their partner is cheating. However, things will completely change if they confirm that their partner cheated. This is what happens if you believe something without confirmation.

This is what happened to Ellie.

She believe Joel was lying, but she didn't know for sure. The birthday trip when she appeared happens until the end where it writing on the wall called the Fireflies liars. In the second flashback, you can easily see that there's something wrong between Ellie and Joel. At the end of the flashback, she questions Joel again in a way that she didn't believe the lie that he told her.

This is what caused her to confirm her suspicion.



It's not that simple.

People lost their lives on their way trying to get to the Fireflies (Tess, Henry, and Sam), and she nearly died several times trying to get there with Joel. She wanted her journey to mean something after all the struggles they have been through.... and yet it amounted to nothing. So she has every right to be upset after dealing with so much guilt.

None of that make her less hypocrite.

A wife suspecting a cheating husband is not remotely the same thing as being a potential cure for the entire planet, if she cared that much, she should have called joel right there after the hospital.

She decided to accept a badly veiled lie to live a better life so she is a fucking hypocrite, it is that simple, sorry.

Hell even in those situations where a wife stay with a cheating husband we call those women hypocrites because they decide to accept a bad situation to gain something else (that could it be financial security or not being alone without an husband).


Did She needed several years to realize that people lost their life for their mission and get mad? Even more contrived shit, she should have been furious after the hospital scene because those death were still super fresh.

The moment she accept the lie because it was the more convenient thing to do, she become an hypocrite and has no right to be mad at joel (or at least not that much).

She is an adult by the time she yells at joel, she should know why a parent would never give up a daughter, that alone should give joel a big ass excuse for what he did (hell she kills an entire town to avenge him).

I guess we agree to disagree on this one.

I can understand her being mad but in that cutscene where jeol confess she act completely clueless and that shit was hilarious, she was smart enough to know that the only way joel could take her out from the hospital was to kill everyone, but she act like surprised pikachu...

 

[Tripolygon]

Look at your statement.


This was completely false. This is how a lot of false rumors get spread about this story. People always reference notes when it doesn't back up what they say. As soon as I asked you to quote it, you tell me that I'm right.

So the notes/recordings did not prove or even give hints that they weren't up to the task.

That's because Ulysses 31 has not played the game.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Look at your statement.


This was completely false. This is how a lot of false rumors get spread about this story. People always reference notes when it doesn't back up what they say. As soon as I asked you to quote it, you tell me that I'm right.

So the notes/recordings did not prove or even give hints that they weren't up to the task.

And I admitted it could be wrong about the notes, the recordings show the Fireflies don't have anything to show they've achieved in developing a cure in 5 years or so. It's also the combination of the state they're in(close to disbanding because of all the loses they've taken lately or something to that effect).

 

[DragoonKain]

I think the ending is well done and is so divisive, that's why I love it. The opposite of TLOU2. TLOU2.. leaves you with no lessons, nothing to think about, no moral dilemmas, really. It's just "Revenge is bad!" I guess if TLOU2 does have a question it's "How far is too far for revenge?" But the thing is, TLOU1 already asked that question when Joel, you know, massacred an entire fucking hospital to save Ellie and kill those who tried to harm her. Including a doctor and Marlene.

As for TLOU1's ending, you look at the way Ellie is acting in the game and show and people think it's just the David ordeal. Of course, that is part of it. It was traumatic and will always be there underneath the surface to some degree. But there's two lines(one from the show, one from the game) that heavily imply what is on her mind most is survivor's guilt. In the show, Joel says to Ellie "You've been unusually quiet today." They had been traveling for weeks after the David incident and on that day she suddenly is quiet. What is it about that day that made her distant and withdrawn? To answer that we need to head to the game and a line they removed from the show, which I think is an important line and I'm not sure why they removed it. She tells Joel at the very end "I'm still waiting for my turn."

She blames herself for everyone dying. After all, they wouldn't have died in that same way if she wasn't around(in her mind). Her life and her being immune is the cause. I think in the final chapter, Ellie knows they're right around the corner from the hospital and it's starting to dawn on her: what if they can't create a cure? What if it doesn't work out? Suddenly, it won't just be Riley, Tess, Henry, Sam, etc. It'll be millions of strangers she'll blame herself for. And we see this in TLOU2 when she is really broken up by that choice being taken away from her. She blamed herself in TLOU1. In TLOU2 she blames Joel because the cure was finally something she could control of her own destiny and Joel robbed her of that.

 

[DForce]

None of that make her less hypocrite.

A wife suspecting a cheating husband is not remotely the same thing as being a potential cure for the entire planet, if she cared that much, she should have called joel right there after the hospital.

She decided to accept a badly veiled lie to live a better life so she is a fucking hypocrite, it is that simple, sorry.

Hell even in those situations where a wife stay with a cheating husband we call those women hypocrites because they decide to accept a bad situation to gain something else (that could it be financial security or not being alone without an husband).


Did She needed several years to realize that people lost their life for their mission and get mad? Even more contrived shit, she should have been furious after the hospital scene because those death were still super fresh.

You're comparing cheating versus a potential cure.

That's not what's being compared.

We're talking about being lied to. If a person only suspects they're being lied to, then they will often express doubt. That feeling of doubt will cause her to change her emotions.

And you're saying she accepted the lie when it was very clear in the second game that there was something wrong with their relationship before Ellie found out the truth. If she accepted it, then she wouldn't confront Joel during the flashback, and she wouldn't need to travel back to Utah to find out the truth.

The problem with your argument is that you believe Ellie knew for sure what Joel did and she didn't. Knowing the truth is a completely different matter altogether. You have confirmation and there's no other reason to doubt it.

 

[DragoonKain]

Was it ever confirmed the person who ran away in the hospital massacre was Abby? We see someone quickly run away in one of the scenes, but can't really see them well. It would make sense since we didn't see their face(which would be consistent with them not finding the actress to play Abby yet and they don't have to deal with continuity issues).

If this is the case, I suspect season 2 will begin with a cold open of the hospital scene and Abby running into the operating room and crying over her dad.

 

[EruditeHobo]

It's a really top tier adaptation. Some of the stuff they did would make for a worse video game, but it makes for a better narrative series.

Bring on season 2!

I think at most Joel could see Ellie agreeing to do the surgery, not sure he believes the Fireflies having the resources and capacity to save millions, especially after the damage he'd done to them. I don't even think any of that was on his mind before he met with Marlene again after the elevator.

You continue to completely miss the point.

 

[GymWolf]

You're comparing cheating versus a potential cure.

That's not what's being compared.

We're talking about being lied to. If a person only suspects they're being lied to, then they will often express doubt. That feeling of doubt will cause her to change her emotions.

And you're saying she accepted the lie when it was very clear in the second game that there was something wrong with their relationship before Ellie found out the truth. If she accepted it, then she wouldn't confront Joel during the flashback, and she wouldn't need to travel back to Utah to find out the truth.

The problem with your argument is that you believe Ellie knew for sure what Joel did and she didn't. Knowing the truth is a completely different matter altogether. You have confirmation and there's no other reason to doubt it.

Oh please, everyone and their mother know that she saw through joel lies.

But even if we agree that she had a (small) doubt, she still lived her happy life because she was contemp with not knowing the truth, still a fucking hypocrite on my book, if you have a doubt for something so important you would never let several years to pass like that, and at least don't act like surprised pikachu like you had no idea, come the fuck on, she knew what type of violent man joel was.

 

[EruditeHobo]

I genuinely wonder why so many people say they enjoy the game for the depth of its plot then get bogged down into debating the nuances of virology. It's so weird.

It's utterly bizarre.

TLOU was about the relationship of Ellie and Joel. Everything else are plot devices. Ellie is immune in spite of our knowledge about bacterial infections because the story said so. The fireflies have a mechanism to transfer Ellie's immunity to others because the story said so. The story collapses if you tug those threads too much.

Exactly. This is how stories work.

 

[GymWolf]

It's utterly bizarre.



Exactly. This is how stories work.

Those details are important when they tried to retcon shit in the second game.

The fireflies being smarter than fucking doctors and able to find a cure or being a bunch of clueless assholes change your view on what joel did.

 

[DForce]

Oh please, everyone and their mother know that she saw through joel lies.

But even if we agree that she had a (small) doubt, she still lived her happy life because she was contemp with not knowing the truth, still a fucking hypocrite on my book, if you have a doubt for something so important you would never let several years to pass like that, and at least don't act like surprised pikachu like you had no idea, come the fuck on.

Every viewer saw through Joel's lies because we saw what actually happened. LOL


What you're saying is not how it happened in the game. She wasn't living a happy life with the lie because there was an obvious problem with their relationship and that caused a problem.