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[Hawk The Slayer]

I like both and the female protagonists I liked were

Eve - Stellar Blade
Claire Redfield - Resident Evil 2
Jill Valentine - Resident Evil 3
Heather Mason -Silent Hill 3
Fury - Darksiders 3
Garnet - Final Fantasy IX
Terra - Final Fantasy VI
Yuna - Final Fantasy X
Ada Wong - Resident Evil 4 Separate Ways
Rose Winter - Resident Evil Shadow of Rose
Kerrigan - Heart of the Swarm
Vivian - The Vagrant
Djeeta - Granblue Fantasy Relink
Rivet - Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart
Main chick from Oni on the PS2 forgot her name and too lazy to look it up.

There's definitely more but these are the ones I could think of at the moment.

 

[Bernardougf]

Returnal for PS5/PC is a great game with a female protagonist, I haven't heard her say anything about anything related to 'female problems'.

HADES II - Another great game with a female protag

Kena: Bridge of Spirits - Is also a great game that features a female protagonist.

Control - Is also a great game that features a female protagonist. Not my favorite character of Remedy, but not too annoying really

Portal 2 - Although it really doesn't impact anything, it does feature a female protagonist.

Now these are just some of the western titles, on the asian side you also have games like Nier Automata or Gravity Rush, Stellar Blade. Older titles like Resident Evil 2, Silent Hill 3.. the list goes on and on.

If you don't want to play these awesome games because it has a women in it, fine by me, but it seems stupid and you're just depriving yourself of awesome games.

Returnal, Kena, control all old games ... its funny that you have to resort to older characthers to bring nice ones and/or games that the story hardly matter.. because modern ones are shit, and thats why people are fed up

And I specially said that Asian games are fine.. maybe you skipped that part

 

[tmlDan]

Returnal, Kena, control all old games ... its funny that you have to resort to older characthers to bring nice ones or games that the story hardly matter.. because modern ones are shit, and that why people are fed up

And I specially said that Asian games are fine.. maybe you skipped that part

but they're not old at all lol wtf

 

[Bernardougf]

but they're not old at all lol wtf

They are three years old almos 4.. if thats not old to you ok

 

[tmlDan]

They are three years old almos 4.. if thats not old to you ok

because it isn't this isnt about me, its just a fact that they're not old lol

 

[Bernardougf]

because it isn't this isnt about me, its just a fact that they're not old lol

Oh so time lapse is a objective mesure now Ok.. please do post the acceptable time table for new old very old so I am more in the know... didnt know I was talking to Cronos himself

 

[tmlDan]

Oh so time lapse is a objective mesure now Ok.. please do post the acceptable time table for new old very old so I am more in the know... didnt know I was talking to Cronos himself

no need for the tamper tantrum, if the games released within the last 5 years they're not old at all, if your perspective or ideology has changed in 5 years on female characters you need some self reflection. I can get on board with extreme pandering, but them just being female and somehow its not okay and people are sick of it? thats not okay for you to think

 

[Bernardougf]

no need for the tamper tantrum, if the games released within the last 5 years they're not old at all, if your perspective or ideology has changed in 5 years on female characters you need some self reflection. I can get on board with extreme pandering, but them just being female and somehow its not okay and people are sick of it? thats not okay for you to think

Thanks oh god of time.. so 5 years is the right amount of time for being old.. now I know.

 

[Last Hearth]

I just don’t find them relatable. I don’t understand why this is considered a blasphemous opinion. The same people lambasting me for holding it, are the ones pushing for female protagonists on the basis of inclusivity.

Okay, so having a male protagonist excludes women and we should have female protagonists instead… well, why does this logic not work in reverse? Why can’t women just accept male protagonists the way I have to for female? How do female protagonists not exclude me using the same logic?

There are some exceptions where I’m okay with it, such as Lara Croft or Jill Valentine.. I still prefer playing as Nathan Drake or Leon, but I can accept those others.

What I can’t accept though is Ghost of Yotei, Chloe/Nadine, Assassin’s Creed Kassandra, Ellie, Kait in Gears of War, etc.

The fact is, the majority of men don’t want to play as women, and the only way they accept it is if it’s a highly attractive woman whose ass they can stare at. That’s reality. Even then, I’m not a slave to sex, and I’d prefer playing as a cool dude than a hot female if given the choice.

A well written female character will have female issues. Why would I as a man enjoy experiencing that? I don’t. At all. And if you’re going to write in male issues for her, then the game falls apart entirely because women aren’t men and they’ll never be men.

I know there will be an argument that games already require a significant degree of suspension of belief. However, those people are missing the point. Good fantasy is an extrapolation of observable innate characteristics, not a turning of reality upside down.

Example: Special Forces commando comes home and wages a one man war against the mob to save his town. Unrealistic but enjoyable. Woman picks up a sword and slays every man in sight… men are cowards and relying on her to save everybody… stupid.

EDIT: Special thank you to clarky for the gold! You’re a real one, brother.

I think the main point here is the ridiculousness of their position, male protagonists is preventing girls from enjoying video games, yet the same doesn't apply to men, men are supposed to just accept female protagonist be fine with it, and if you don't you're being sexist.

The truth is that most people probably have some preference to play as their own sex, with a smaller group who doesn't mind either way, and an even smaller group who prefer to play as the opposite sex.
And because gaming is a male-centric hobby, the deal was made (unspoken), that in order to make male players to feel more comfortable playing as a female, they made the women very attractive, an eye candy as a compensation of sorts balance the scale.
This is why when they suddenly started to make the female protagonist unattractive, it feels to many players like the breaking of a deal.

 

[Bert Big Balls]

I mean... OK? Personally I couldn't give a fuck who I play as, as long as the character is good.

 

[FoxMcChief]

When did so many gamers become such snowflakes?

Probably around the same time when people started thinking they could identify as a different gender.

 

[PeteBull]

This is why when they suddenly started to make the female protagonist unattractive, it feels to many players like the breaking of a deal.

Old/unatractive female is equivalent to being a homeless and jobless bum in male world aka totally undesireable person, add to that argumentative and entitled attitude(like that abnomination with horns from DA:V had and very likely new Druckman's creation gonna have), and voila- lots of ppl (not even saying majority, im saying minority, maybe 20-30%?)dont wanna play as them, or even be around them xD

 

[Bernardougf]

When did so many gamers become such snowflakes?

 

[Zathalus]

Returnal, Kena, control all old games ... its funny that you have to resort to older characthers to bring nice ones and/or games that the story hardly matter.. because modern ones are shit, and thats why people are fed up

And I specially said that Asian games are fine.. maybe you skipped that part

Those aren’t old, almost all of them are from this generation. Hades 2 came out this year. Most people consider games within the same generation to be current.

The truth is that most people probably have some preference to play as their own sex, with a smaller group who doesn't mind either way, and an even smaller group who prefer to play as the opposite sex.

Horizon Zero Dawn sold 25 million copies, that’s on par with God of War. I think the concept of gender bias doesn’t really matter much if the game is good.

Attractive characters help as well, but really how many games where you play as a man do you overly stray from the idealised male archetype?

 

[FoxMcChief]

Ain't it kinda gay to always playing as a dude...? Op is so progressive!

I think it might be a tad more gay to role play as a woman.

 

[Bernardougf]

Those aren’t old, almost all of them are from this generation. Hades 2 came out this year. Most people consider games within the same generation to be current.


Horizon Zero Dawn sold 25 million copies, that’s on par with God of War. I think the concept of gender bias doesn’t really matter much if the game is good.

Attractive characters help as well, but really how many games where you play as a man do you overly stray from the idealised male archetype?

Three to four year is more than enough for any culture change/push ... so older games can have better characters than games 4 years after ... just look what happened in a few months after that steam curator list kick started this whole push back.

They are by definition older games.. maybe you and a lot of people dont consider them old and thats perfectly fine since this is subjective ... but a lot of things can change in 4 years

 

[Bernardougf]

Ain't it kinda gay to always playing as a dude...? Op is so progressive!

Manly is going to be playing as Ciri in witcher 4 looking for that big D to suck

 

[mayham2199]

It’s not my preference but would never effect my enjoyment of a game at all.

 

[Zathalus]

Three to four year is more than enough for any culture change/push ... so older games can have better characters than games 4 years after ... just look what happened in a few months after that steam curator list kick started this whole push back.

They are by definition older games.. maybe you and a lot of people dont consider them old and thats perfectly fine since this is subjective ... but a lot of things can change in 4 years

But how many big budget games actually released the past two years with female protagonists ? Star Wars Outlaws which is typical Ubisoft slop… and that’s about it? BG3 if you consider each origin character to be a potential protagonist? But the woman characters in that game were excellent.

What exactly are people up in arms about if we only look at the part two years? A shitty Ubisoft game and a RPG from a studio that hasn’t released anything good in a decade (Dragon Age)? Is that it?

 

[TintoConCasera]

Don't care as long as the characters are well written and not uglyfied on purpose.

 

[DoubleClutch]

I don't really have a dog in this race, as I despise the woke shit plaguing games and shoe in characters meant to appeal to specific demographics. That being said, I just wanna say that I knew three different women in my time in the Army that were absolutely tough as nails. I personally watched one of them choke out a 6 foot 5 infantryman during a combatives competition, and she was 5'6. Also of note though, was that she was an absolute smoke show, but unfortunately was a lesbian. I sure as shit wouldn't wanna fight her. I guess my point is, there are absolutely badass women out there, that's real, but they also absolutely don't have to look like hulking broodish bitches like Last of Us 2, and they absolutely can be beautiful. Just throwing that out there for anyone who wants it, just my two cents.

A 5’6” woman beating a 6’5” male?

Yeah I’m gonna doubt that heavily. A 5’6” male would have a difficult time beating a 6’5” male.

If a 6’5” male is getting his ass whooped by a 5’6” female, under no circumstances should he be in the military.

 

[Lng0004]

"Why can’t women just accept male protagonists the way I have to for female?"

Because they've already been doing that for decades? The whole "whataboutism" just screams you-know-what.

 

[DoubleClutch]

"Why can’t women just accept male protagonists the way I have to for female?"

Because they've already been doing that for decades? The whole "whataboutism" just screams you-know-what.

Then it should be no problem continuing it for many decades more.

 

[Bernardougf]

But how many big budget games actually released the past two years with female protagonists ? Star Wars Outlaws which is typical Ubisoft slop… and that’s about it? BG3 if you consider each origin character to be a potential protagonist? But the woman characters in that game were excellent.

What exactly are people up in arms about if we only look at the part two years? A shitty Ubisoft game and a RPG from a studio that hasn’t released anything good in a decade (Dragon Age)? Is that it?

I dont think people saying they dont like to play anymore with androgynous girl boss female protagonists is being up in arms... its just a preference as everything else... just look what will happen if western studios go back to drawing/animating and writing proper female characters...this whole thing becomes a nothing burguer.

As I said in my first post... female characters/leads are not the problem.. is the modern she-male character that people cant take it anymore.

But let studios keep trying to push it .. the market will decide.. and if the market is forever ok with it.. so be it ...

 

[StreetsofBeige]

The whole male/female in sports or physiques debate is not an all or nothing. Men are typically faster, bigger, stronger. But that doesnt mean every man on earth is stronger than every women on earth. Of course you can get some women beating men. Heck, I remember in grade school one of the girls (saw her at a high school reunion this year and still looks good!) used to beat most guys in arm wrestling. Made no sense to us as we could obviously beat her in a recess fight, but all us guys were freaked out she'd win most arm wrestling matches. It happens. But in general all things being equal, a man will usually beat a women having similar training, age, etc.... Pending the activity, an untrained fat guy can beat women too due to sheer size and power or a high school basketball dude whose already 6'9 with a giant wingspan and jumping power can surely dominate some WNBA players. And the kid is only 16 or 17 playing for Farmtown High School in the middle of nowhere. It's just biology and physics really.

Extreme all or nothings are rare because you can always find outliers.

Its like saying an able bodied guy running a marathon will beat a one legged guy. Not true at all. Pretty sure a fit one leg guy hopping or with a peg leg can beat my dad whose in his 80s and uses a cane half the time. Takes him forever just to use the stairs or get in or out of a car. And any trained handicap guy with a prosthetic will beat most untrained avg nobodies who dont work out.

 

[DoubleClutch]

Here’s an example.

You make a new IP like Horizon that has a female character. I may not like it, but you do. Go ahead and enjoy it. No problems.

But don’t take something awesome like Alan Wake and then make the sequel about Saga Anderson. Unnecessary and stupid.

 

[Zathalus]

I dont think people saying they dont like to play anymore with androgynous girl boss female protagonists is being up in arms... its just a preference as everything else... just look what will happen if western studios go back to drawing/animating and writing proper female characters...this whole thing becomes a nothing burguer.

As I said in my first post... female characters/leads are not the problem.. is the modern she-male character that people cant take it anymore.

But let studios keep trying to push it .. the market will decide.. and if the market is forever ok with it.. so be it ...

But I’m specifically addressing the point of “ modern she-male” protagonists in games. What exactly are those games? Star Wars Outlaws is pretty much the only bad female led AAA game from the past two years. What else is there? Sure Dragon Age and Spider-Man had some questionable design choices for the non main cast, but is this thread not talking about woman led games? As in actually playing a woman?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Here’s an example.

You make a new IP like Horizon that has a female character. I may not like it, but you do. Go ahead and enjoy it. No problems.

But don’t take something awesome like Alan Wake and then make the sequel about Saga Anderson. Unnecessary and stupid.

TV/movies do this all the time. It's rare a minority or female character gets switched to a white person or guy. But it's not uncommon for an existing white dude character in a franchise to get flip flopped to something else.

 

[v1oz]

Are there games yet where the protagonist is not male or female?

 

[DoubleClutch]

But I’m specifically addressing the point of “ modern she-male” protagonists in games. What exactly are those games? Star Wars Outlaws is pretty much the only bad female led AAA game from the past two years. What else is there? Sure Dragon Age and Spider-Man had some questionable design choices for the non main cast, but is this thread not talking about woman led games? As in actually playing a woman?

I don’t mind Kat in Gravity Rush.

I very much mind Nadine in Uncharted.

 

[poodaddy]

A 5’6” woman beating a 6’5” male?

Yeah I’m gonna doubt that heavily. A 5’6” male would have a difficult time beating a 6’5” male.

If a 6’5” male is getting his ass whooped by a 5’6” female, under no circumstances should he be in the military.

Saw it with my own eyes, I can appreciate that you find it hard to believe, but I don't lie. Granted, he was an annoying fat pussy who kept talking shit about us the whole time in AIT, (he was an infantryman who apparently had to reclass to 42F for some injury that caused a retention failing standard for 11B, and he constantly reminded us all that he "shouldn't even be here with us as he's a trained killer and we're all pogues") and she was a prize fighter before she joined, but at the end of the day it was a tiny Asian woman, a pogue no less as she was a 27 D, (paralegal at the time), who fucked up a trained infantryman in combatives. I still remember our combatives Sergeant laughing at him when he threw up gravy as she choked him out. Made it look easy too.

Size matters man. He maybe would have beaten me, (I'm 5'11 but I boxed for four years when I was young, so I'm unsure how it would have went between us), but Dau was another level. Her ground game was insane, a true grappler. Also of note is that when we lifted weights at night, only three people were in there every night: me, her, and a buddy of mine who joined the Guard but was a policeman in Texas full time. That fat fuck infantryman was never there, so while he was still probably stronger than her, (mass moves mass), she was in FAR better shape than him, and that matters. She had skill, conditioning, speed, and power all over him, all he had was mass and reach, which isn't nothing, but it didn't save him.

Anyway, I respect your opinion man, just sharing something from my life. Again, I despise the woke shit, can't stand it, but there are absolutely bad bitches out there. I haven't even told you about the other two little badasses I knew back then, one of which is a figure competitor now and is absolutely gorgeous, and is also remarkably strong. I can promise you she would give any average man a run for his money, and she's pretty short too, much shorter than Dau. I'm unsure of her height, but she wasn't much taller than my ex wife who was 5'2, so make of that what you will.

 

[Nydius]

My world view isn’t shaken at all. The military just like business has politics, DEI, and the like. Fancy names and positions mean nothing in terms of effectiveness.

And in combat, I personally would never want a female by my side. It’s also why special forces do not allow women in.

One, I wasn't responding to you.

Two, if she wasn't "effective", she wouldn't have been commanding a fucking combat helicopter squadron in an active warzone. Nor would she be promoted to command an Aircraft Carrier, let alone an entire fleet. Yeah, DEI is a thing in the military, but no military in the world is going to hand the keys to a multibillion dollar nuclear aircraft carrier (not to mention all its assets and personnel) to someone simply because they have a vagina.

Three, women have been allowed in almost all combat MOS's now since around 2015 (earlier for some branches). As for special forces, there is a full Trident female in the Navy SEALs, there are multiple female Army Rangers and Green Berets, and there are females in Air Force Special Tactics. Women are not "barred" from applying to special forces.

If you were ever deployed to a forward operating theater and were under enemy fire, I guarantee you that you wouldn't give a single shit if the person beside you covering your ass had tits. Because all you'd be worried about is not shitting your pants and having your brains splattered all over the ground.

But I suspect you'll hand wave that all away blaming some DEI bogeyman so you can continue to justify being a misogynistic asshat.

 

[DoubleClutch]

One, I wasn't responding to you.

Two, if she wasn't "effective", she wouldn't have been commanding a fucking combat helicopter squadron in an active warzone. Nor would she be promoted to command an Aircraft Carrier, let alone an entire fleet. Yeah, DEI is a thing in the military, but no military in the world is going to hand the keys to a multibillion dollar nuclear aircraft carrier (not to mention all its assets and personnel) to someone simply because they have a vagina.

Three, women have been allowed in almost all combat MOS's now since around 2015 (earlier for some branches). As for special forces, there is a full Trident female in the Navy SEALs, there are multiple female Army Rangers and Green Berets, and there are females in Air Force Special Tactics. Women are not "barred" from appling to special forces.

If you were ever deployed to a forward operating theater and were under enemy fire, I guarantee you that you wouldn't give a single shit if the person beside you covering your ass had tits. Because all you'd be worried about is not shitting your pants and having your brains splattered all over the ground.

But I suspect you'll hand wave that all away so you can continue to be a misogynistic asshat.

Which female is a Navy Seal?

 

[DoubleClutch]

“If she wasn’t effective she wouldn’t be in the fucking secret service you misogynistic asshat”

The secret service:

 

[clarky]

Which female is a Navy Seal?

There are non as far as im aware.

 

[DoubleClutch]

There are non as far as im aware.

That’s what I thought but the other poster said there is a full trident female in them.

 

[Rickyiez]

OP's take is disgusting. Playing a female character is no different than watching Ripley's story in Alien. Sure you can replace her with a bald space marine but it would be generic AF.

 

[PeteBull]

That’s what I thought but the other poster said there is a full trident female in them.

Just compare army ads, russian:

vs american:

I love America and im strongly against what Putin did and still does(Yeltsin was only russian leader from recent history who didnt want to conquer other nations, his only flaw was he loved vodka too much ), but srsly, american army ad made US ARMY laughing stock around the world

 

[DoubleClutch]

Just compare army ads, russian:

vs american:

I love America and im strongly against what Putin did and still does(Yeltsin was only russian leader from recent history who didnt want to conquer other nations, his only flaw was he loved vodka too much ), but srsly, american army ad made US ARMY laughing stock around the world

I remember these. It’s an embarrassment to our country. Of course it had to be, “it starts in California with my two moms…”

 

[PeteBull]

OP's take is disgusting. Playing a female character is no different than watching Ripley's story in Alien. Sure you can replace her with a bald space marine but it would be generic AF.

Are women who only wanna play as female just as disgusting to u? Or is it the men only, didnt they teach u sexism is wrong in college gender studies

Study: 75% of female gamers prefer to play as female characters

The analytical company Quantic Foundry has found out the gender preferences of video game fans when choosing a game character. It turned out that 75% of the women surveyed, if possible, will play the protagonist of their gender.

app2top.com

75% of women have preference to play as female btw, is their take just as "disgusting"?

 

[Arachnid]

"Why can’t women just accept male protagonists the way I have to for female?"

Because they've already been doing that for decades? The whole "whataboutism" just screams you-know-what.

This is the way I think about it. I also don't like playing as women and always choose male if I have a choice. It's a fine mindset to have.

That said, around 46% of gamers are women these days. It's not the 90s or 2000s where it's a completely male dominated hobby. Gaming shouldn't ignore nearly half it's demographic. If you aren't a fan of playing a woman and can't ignore it, it makes more sense just skip the game rather than keeping the "me me me" mindset.

 

[mrqs]

Who cares. A great story is a great story. Move along.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

I just don’t find them relatable. I don’t understand why this is considered a blasphemous opinion. The same people lambasting me for holding it, are the ones pushing for female protagonists on the basis of inclusivity.

Okay, so having a male protagonist excludes women and we should have female protagonists instead… well, why does this logic not work in reverse? Why can’t women just accept male protagonists the way I have to for female? How do female protagonists not exclude me using the same logic?

There are some exceptions where I’m okay with it, such as Lara Croft or Jill Valentine.. I still prefer playing as Nathan Drake or Leon, but I can accept those others.

What I can’t accept though is Ghost of Yotei, Chloe/Nadine, Assassin’s Creed Kassandra, Ellie, Kait in Gears of War, etc.

The fact is, the majority of men don’t want to play as women, and the only way they accept it is if it’s a highly attractive woman whose ass they can stare at. That’s reality. Even then, I’m not a slave to sex, and I’d prefer playing as a cool dude than a hot female if given the choice.

A well written female character will have female issues. Why would I as a man enjoy experiencing that? I don’t. At all. And if you’re going to write in male issues for her, then the game falls apart entirely because women aren’t men and they’ll never be men.

I know there will be an argument that games already require a significant degree of suspension of belief. However, those people are missing the point. Good fantasy is an extrapolation of observable innate characteristics, not a turning of reality upside down.

Example: Special Forces commando comes home and wages a one man war against the mob to save his town. Unrealistic but enjoyable. Woman picks up a sword and slays every man in sight… men are cowards and relying on her to save everybody… stupid.

EDIT: Special thank you to clarky for the gold! You’re a real one, brother.

I actually agree with you. I prefer playing as male characters.

Don't let anyone gaslight you to think this is 'abnormal' since most women actually prefer female characters over male characters. Ditto with men choosing male characters.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Can we get a poll added?

If given a choice, would you rather play as a male or female in a game?

 

[Arsic]

Idk one giga best of all time franchise still going strong leading a female . Tomb raider isn’t it before one of you brain dead shit posters think Lara Croft is on the level of a Solid Snake or Ryu Hyabusa.

That said I have said it before that we never even got to a lot of black or Latino or Asian male leads in games before the full on woman swap.

There is more black female leads than black males. By a very large margin.

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

Three, women have been allowed in almost all combat MOS's now since around 2015 (earlier for some branches).

2015? Sorry, that is ancient in any society in human history
Please bring examples from the last 12 months /s

 

[Knightime_X]

I strongly disagree, I think they're great.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Just stop. What’s your ultimate argument? That some women can beat some men at some things? So what, it doesn’t change the fact that on average, average men dominate average women at most physical things.

So an above average woman in a game can beat a bunch of average and below average men.

 

[Zathalus]

Are women who only wanna play as female just as disgusting to u? Or is it the men only, didnt they teach u sexism is wrong in college gender studies

Study: 75% of female gamers prefer to play as female characters

The analytical company Quantic Foundry has found out the gender preferences of video game fans when choosing a game character. It turned out that 75% of the women surveyed, if possible, will play the protagonist of their gender.

app2top.com

75% of women have preference to play as female btw, is their take just as "disgusting"?

Big difference between preferring to play a certain gender vs refusing to even contemplate or want games starring them. I prefer a male protagonist myself (especially in the first run of an RPG), but I'd never consider not playing a game simply because it has a woman as a protagonist. Especially if the game is good to great like Stellar Blade, Hades 2, or Horizon: Zero Dawn.

 

[Fess]

Can we get a poll added?

If given a choice, would you rather play as a male or female in a game?

If I get the choice I will choose the male character 99% of the times.
If my wife get the choice she will choose the female character 99% of the times.
If the kids gets to choose they’ll 99% go with boy-man and girl-woman, I see it all the time.

And in immersive first person games it’s just plain weird to play as a female character imo. Like Cyberpunk as female V? Seeing the hands of a woman and hearing a woman’s voice in a super immersive rpg? Nope.

In third person games I don’t care much but if there is a choice I’ll still go with the man as said above.

Exceptions exist. Like Kassandra, which had better voice acting. And female Eivor, since male Eivor had a woman’s name which became pure comedy. I also played as Claire in RE2 to unlock the other route. And I went with the female barbarian in Barbarian 2 on Amiga, because she had a bikini lol