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Hrk69
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lefty1117
Gold Member
Final warning for your constant culture war racial gaslighting.
I think many if not most of the anti-woke diatribes expose a weakness in white males that I am disappointed to see. It counters the narrative of strength and confidence that they like to portray. This post will probably be moderated - again due to over sensitivity.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
ok i just watched that whole opening scene with the timeless Beegees tune.. and i can't for the life of me think of 1 thing that would stop it being made today, enlighten me encase i'm missing something
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BigBeauford
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The greatest advice ever posted on the internet
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WhamBamThankYouMaam
Member
You spoke about insane ideas and unneeded surgery on children so it was the same topic really.
Eesha
Member
words to live by
AngelMuffin
Member
Ok, Claude.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Hahahaha
StueyDuck
Member
You always bring race into everything don't you.
BigBeauford
Member
"White fragility" is just the Marxist terminology for telling someone to shut up in the face of racist abuse.
PeteBull
Member
Didnt u see how he turns around after women in dresses and he even tries to talk to one against her will, its considered harassment/creepy behaviour and toxic masculinity in today's modern western world, its frowned upon.
Why u think there are no sexy women in western made games anymore
Male gaze - Wikipedia
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kyussman
Member
I'm not about to equate Judaism to what's going on with the gender cult.....you can if you like.You spoke about insane ideas and unneeded surgery on children so it was the same topic really.
paolo11
Member
DEI was already on classic games since the dawn of time . Mario, Metroid, Street Fighter, GTA:SA., Bayonetta etc.
The problem is the modern western games right now use DEI in a wrong way. You don’t need pronouns to begin with. Why are the “female” characters look like a masculine man? Developers are corrupting DEI.
We all love diversity but they have to do it properly , not politically . The world is diverse and no one had issues with it before because it was done right.
The problem is the modern western games right now use DEI in a wrong way. You don’t need pronouns to begin with. Why are the “female” characters look like a masculine man? Developers are corrupting DEI.
We all love diversity but they have to do it properly , not politically . The world is diverse and no one had issues with it before because it was done right.
REMAINSILLY
Member
What election season does to a motherfucker.
Topher
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
And your answer to this is...do what that purple forum does, which is:
I mean...come on now. You yourself is asking for this to become that forum lol.
Humdinger
Gold Member
You are free to disagree, but the proof will be in the pudding. It will change nothing. Speechifying about how other people should be more X or Y doesn't change people. Yes, it is a way to show he "cares about the place," but that's about it. He's basically trying to tone police other people - with sweeping generalizations aimed at no one in particular - without being a mod. It's not going to work. I'm fine with him expressing his opinion; it just won't accomplish what he hopes.
Besides, I disagree anyhow. I like GAF the way it is. I want people free to express their opinions, even if I find them offensive or insulting. As long as they're not trolling or making vicious personal attacks (which are already moderated), then I don't have a problem with it.
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March Climber
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More often than not, it’s less that the person is responding to everyone and more that everyone is responding to that one person/post.
There’s a term for it.
Regardless I’m glad your post is acknowledging the potential side effects of an echo chamber rather than dancing around it like some are doing now.
Hrk69
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Tyler never misses
Dr.Morris79
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GymWolf
Member
Same definition of most people in here, i don't have a particular view on the subject.
I'm on the tolerant side because for example i don't think that old kratos caring for his son is woke but for the most part the usual things like forced inclusivity, uglyfication of women, attacking the white straight capitalist, forced diversity hiring, pushing us retarded modern stuff like nonbinaries people or surgery scars into fantasy worlds etc.
StueyDuck
Member
Ok I hadn't seen that one before, got a genuine laugh out of me
March Climber
Member
This also doesn’t work and as a matter of fact, the opposite happens more on a constant basis. Certain posters will jump into threads that have nothing to do with the topic and derail it with culture war posts.
Fess
Member
I don’t hate anything, I’m just not interested and there is no option to turn it off and I prefer to not be lectured about it.
Imagine if you’re an atheist and every game you play from the west is super pro religion and goes on with the story trying to turn you into a believer.
In real life this scenario is Jehovas Witnesses. What do you do? You say no thanks not interested and close the door when they want to come in and talk.
In gaming you can’t do anything. You can just choose to not buy those games, which means skipping big AAA games, and you can talk about that you dislike it.
And this is what people do here. I see nothing wrong with it.
Humdinger
Gold Member
Anyone who thinks this place is an echo chamber hasn't visited many internet forums. GAF isn't even close to an echo chamber.
Perhaps they think this because the heavily moderated forums they've inhabited before have aligned with their beliefs, so they never noticed (or cared about) the censorship of alternative POVs. Then they come here and discover that people are allowed to express opinions they find troublesome. And so they call for more moderation, to restore their own equilibrium.
Perhaps they think this because the heavily moderated forums they've inhabited before have aligned with their beliefs, so they never noticed (or cared about) the censorship of alternative POVs. Then they come here and discover that people are allowed to express opinions they find troublesome. And so they call for more moderation, to restore their own equilibrium.
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sharp weiner
Gold Member
I do appreciate that GAF allows any opinion. Although most are just trauma reactions and I don’t give them deep consideration.
DaciaJC
Gold Member
The radical leftist ideology is disturbing and in many ways dangerous, and people shouldn't be afraid of calling it out or tempering their criticism of it whether it be present in video games, in movies, or elsewhere.
Even so, I highlighted some words in your post that describe a trend that I have also noticed, that being the use of personal attacks and insulting language towards posters of opposing viewpoints. I don't think moderation needs to promote "balanced viewpoints" but I agree that more could be done to dissuade the use of ad hominem attacks and the like. We can discuss topics and issues without devolving into mud-flinging children on the playground.
REMAINSILLY
Member
See, this is real. I replied on the Veilguard thread on the purple forum. All I said is "is this real?" and got a 3 month ban for trolling. It was a genuine question. Here I can make jokes and not worry about getting banned.
StueyDuck
Member
True dat...
Try any reddit thread and try not rip your eyes out
I remember being apart of the death stranding thread before it was revealed what the game truly was and boy oh boy did that community have real mental health problems.
I remember there was a famous era user who was on there who like went all nuts and was making up stories like they played overwatch with Kojima then had a literal mental break down and starting posting pics of their dick.... in a death stranding theory thread
All things considered neogaf is pretty normal in that regard.
UltimaKilo
Gold Member
Yeah, "woke" is a radical ideology with a basis in hatred/racism disguised as something else. It is the opposite of "balanced", which the OP calls for.
We don't need more "moderation". It's pretty difficult to get banned on GAF. OP is free to push back against any criticism of "woke" video games, you simply run the risk of looking like a dumbass, nothing else.
Saber
Gold Member
Good to know. Now go to Reera make an account, don't talk about Harry Potter at all and when you get banned for something else come back here to see how incredibly stupid your comment is.
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Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
Post on "purple" forum:
"Let's all try to be more tolerant and get along."
User BANNED for:
- Whataboutism
- Supporting fascism
- Failing to recognize the historical plight and ongoing trauma of the Wakilakki tribe
- Parroting alt-right rhetoric
- Hate speech
- Transphobia
Dynasty8
Member
My main concern is we have many activist game directors, consultants, "journalists", etc who desperately want to shout out their opinions and shove it into every product as the center of attention instead of focusing and making quality products for the main target audience. They're obsessed with sending their own message over delivering what players actually want. Many, many people want to pretend this is not a thing. I think that's what bothers a lot of people.
Every single left leaning gamer will automatically stop reading after the underlined part. And that's the problem. They want to deny this is happening and say shit like "wHy dO u eVeN cAre!!??" or "yOuRe jUsT a bIgoT!!1". They just call you shit like senile, "incel" or delusional and people are tired of it. Shit like this never bothered me before, but it's clear as day that no one is allowed to be critical anymore. This is what we mean by toxic positivity.
This a problem and it's terrible for this industry...terrible for ANY industry. The multiple Sweet Baby Inc. videos that have been shown this year are proof this is happening and I have more respect for people calling out this nonsense over people who are afraid of the backlash from the "purple" crowd.
The Veilguard situation is a prime example of this.
I am in partial agreement with you OP. It becomes a problem when everyone cries woke about everything. Everything then gets assumed as woke and that's annoying, just like how everything gets assumed "racist" or "sexist". But the reality of it is that it's happening and many gamers are ignoring it.
Every single left leaning gamer will automatically stop reading after the underlined part. And that's the problem. They want to deny this is happening and say shit like "wHy dO u eVeN cAre!!??" or "yOuRe jUsT a bIgoT!!1". They just call you shit like senile, "incel" or delusional and people are tired of it. Shit like this never bothered me before, but it's clear as day that no one is allowed to be critical anymore. This is what we mean by toxic positivity.
This a problem and it's terrible for this industry...terrible for ANY industry. The multiple Sweet Baby Inc. videos that have been shown this year are proof this is happening and I have more respect for people calling out this nonsense over people who are afraid of the backlash from the "purple" crowd.
The Veilguard situation is a prime example of this.
I am in partial agreement with you OP. It becomes a problem when everyone cries woke about everything. Everything then gets assumed as woke and that's annoying, just like how everything gets assumed "racist" or "sexist". But the reality of it is that it's happening and many gamers are ignoring it.
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Eesha
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Crayon
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It's not as bad as era, but there's been a trend. There's certain types of behavior. I saw some classic ban-bathing yesterday and a few people were sort of flying off the handle. I don't think anyone got banned but you could tell that there is some people who knew to hold their tongue while opponents j
We're free to let it rip. That is what happens on era.
I don't think the answer here is necessarily balance on stuff like that. The no politics rule is golden. If I was going to look at the simplest course correction, I think it would be to reconsider that line where social issues that could be considered not political start bleeding that way. Maybe that should be cut off sooner than it is.
There's no shortage of voices on here who can be aggressively critical on work stuff but keep their head and not use the place like a sounding board to repeat stuff at nauseam. Talking points... That's another red flag.
If it's a video game war, sure. How about it with the signal boosting and disingenuous s***. But when super contentious real life stuff gets into the conversation, a lot of that stuff should be easy to see coming and shut down before it gets ugly. Let's face it, a lot of us are better off just not knowing each other's opinions on this stuff. For the good of being a community.
We're free to let it rip. That is what happens on era.
I don't think the answer here is necessarily balance on stuff like that. The no politics rule is golden. If I was going to look at the simplest course correction, I think it would be to reconsider that line where social issues that could be considered not political start bleeding that way. Maybe that should be cut off sooner than it is.
There's no shortage of voices on here who can be aggressively critical on work stuff but keep their head and not use the place like a sounding board to repeat stuff at nauseam. Talking points... That's another red flag.
If it's a video game war, sure. How about it with the signal boosting and disingenuous s***. But when super contentious real life stuff gets into the conversation, a lot of that stuff should be easy to see coming and shut down before it gets ugly. Let's face it, a lot of us are better off just not knowing each other's opinions on this stuff. For the good of being a community.
HogIsland
Member
hi you don't know what you're talking about
HogIsland
Member
there is constant politics on this forum, and the people who agree with it don't perceive it as politics.
you can either go with the mod solution and actually recognize politics where it's happening, or you can leave it open to political criticism.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Tolerance is not a two-way street. Tolerance by itself means that person X is tolerant towards person B. But B has no obligation to be tolerant to X.
That's where people are wrong - just like kindness - tolerance is one way street. You "hope" that the other side will reciprocate your feelings. But that's all to it.
So far everything "woke" is essentially a denial of what made the gaming great. It is an intolerant way to shove things no one asked for in your face and you have to be tolerant to it simply because you have been invested into gaming longer.
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Hawk The Slayer
Member
Not even close, as someone that posts on both forums. The other one is filled with lots of insane folks who you'll think are joking or doing parodies because of the most craziest takes but are actually serious and normalized there. There's still some reasonable and sane posters there but they are far from the loudest as to avoid bans. I've seen some getting banned for even slightly disagreeing or questioning something. While in Neogaf at least both sides are allowed to have a voice and the only ones that do get banned are the ones being extremely hostile. Basically it seems if you get banned here than you were asking for it. Only thing I'll give Resetera is it does have higher traffic.
I'll say Steam/Neogaf > Gamefaqs > 4Chan/Resetera.
I'll say Steam/Neogaf > Gamefaqs > 4Chan/Resetera.
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Hohenheim
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Definitly some good points in opening post.
The "us against them" mentality is definitly getting old, and that word "woke" is so hollow and meaningless.
The world is not either woke or not woke. There's a lot of stuff in between.
I want everyone to speak their mind and every opinion to be accepted.
The extremes on both "sides" is just silly and weird in both "camps".
if this forum starts banning folks who enjoy so called "woke" games, then we're in trouble. That would be just as bad as that terrible resetera forum. But here, it feels like folks can say what they want and speak their mind.
Like the great Ricky Gervais once said: "just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right"
I'm not offended by some purple haired trans folks, just like im not offended by beautiful girls with sexy bodies. i'm almost offended by that terribly boring word "woke" though.
The "us against them" mentality is definitly getting old, and that word "woke" is so hollow and meaningless.
The world is not either woke or not woke. There's a lot of stuff in between.
I want everyone to speak their mind and every opinion to be accepted.
The extremes on both "sides" is just silly and weird in both "camps".
if this forum starts banning folks who enjoy so called "woke" games, then we're in trouble. That would be just as bad as that terrible resetera forum. But here, it feels like folks can say what they want and speak their mind.
Like the great Ricky Gervais once said: "just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right"
I'm not offended by some purple haired trans folks, just like im not offended by beautiful girls with sexy bodies. i'm almost offended by that terribly boring word "woke" though.
DeaDPo0L84
Member
Insane ideology should be confronted with full force, not watered down softballs so people can feel comfortable. That's how we got into this mess in the first place.
TerribleAtThisGame
Member
I don't agree with the absurd "everything is woke" silliness some threads devolve into but I mean...it's a message board. I just click out of the thread or make fun of someone. It's not real life nor serious.
HogIsland
Member
'woke' entered the lexicon in relation to the black lives matter movement, where 20million americans protested the murder of innocent black people by police and vigilantes, who were subsequently protected by the court system.
opponents of that movement have made a concerted effort to trivialize life and death issues into mockery of extremely marginalized queer groups and their gender pronouns.
many antisocial accounts on this forum participate in that effort.
opponents of that movement have made a concerted effort to trivialize life and death issues into mockery of extremely marginalized queer groups and their gender pronouns.
many antisocial accounts on this forum participate in that effort.
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I’m not anti-woke. I’m just anti-getting shit shoehorned in for fake inclusivity sake.
I feel like I heard about gay boyfriends being huge fans of Spider-Man in the sequel than any other sound bite.
Or adding pronouns to hero’s in hero shooters (even for robots) is incredibly stupid. Like, what does it matter?
Why are these western devs all of a sudden turning these beautiful actresses into ugly character models?
I feel like I heard about gay boyfriends being huge fans of Spider-Man in the sequel than any other sound bite.
Or adding pronouns to hero’s in hero shooters (even for robots) is incredibly stupid. Like, what does it matter?
Why are these western devs all of a sudden turning these beautiful actresses into ugly character models?
paolo11
Member
You forgot being a Christian or believing God exists
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
NeoGAF, more or less, has freedom of speech. At least in the sense that if you have an opinion about something, you're welcome to express it and defend it. In my experience here, even the most terrible opinions are tolerated as long as they're well articulated and not overly antagonistic. Case in point, OP believes that GAF should have more strict moderation - and that's an opinion I don't personally agree with.
If this place truly were an echo chamber, as OP claims, then his opening post would be nothing but LOL emojis. Instead, he's got a lot of thumbs up, hearts, thoughtfulness, and strength emojis. Someone gifted OP gold. In an open forum like this one, the way to combat becoming an echo chamber is to actually post dissenting opinions, and back them up.
If this place truly were an echo chamber, as OP claims, then his opening post would be nothing but LOL emojis. Instead, he's got a lot of thumbs up, hearts, thoughtfulness, and strength emojis. Someone gifted OP gold. In an open forum like this one, the way to combat becoming an echo chamber is to actually post dissenting opinions, and back them up.