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[JokerMM]

i unironically believe this. i did my 6th Bloodbrone run few weeks ago and finished my 4th Sekiro run last night.
these two games are gaming at purest form: beautiful, unforgiving, and Addicting. these two give me a weird nostolgic feeling of the early 90s games where everything was very hard and feel very new.
no matter how many new amazing games come out these days, no matter how good they are, they never actually stuck with me. i'll be "yeah this was great" and forget about it the next day. but not these two , they are the only games that i EVER replayed and continue to replay. Especially bloodborne. Bloodborne awakened something primal in me that i don't really understand, but as a huge horror/lovecraft fan i feel like this game was litreally made for me.
i love you Hidetaka Miyazaki

 

[amigastar]

So what's your take on Elden Ring?
Never played a Dark Souls game for very long. I might get Elden Ring down the road when its cheaper on Steam.

 

[JokerMM]

So what's your take on Elden Ring?
Never played a Dark Souls game for very long. I might get Elden Ring down the road when its cheaper on Steam.

it's incredible. but deosn't even come close to sekiro and bloodborne

 

[TommyCronin6969]

I'd consider Bloodborne one of the most important games ever. It came right at the time that everything was being watered down and reminded everyone what games should be first and foremost.

 

[REDRZA MWS]

Except that developer outdid both with ER. (that is not a snub to the other two games, awesome dev)

 

[alucard0712_rus]

Sekiro still feels very unique, hearth-warming, hand-made. What a game! I was actually struggling for 6 month with it, then I finally got it and it absolutely blew me away! Simple and genius combat system. Then I realized that it's just very interesting and fun game. I will miss it for sure!

 

[Kings Field]

1. bloodborne
2. Dark souls
3. Elden Ring
4. Sekiro

 

[Sleepwalker]

Nah

 

[RyRy93]

As far as SP games go nothing hits like Bloodborne on a repeat playthrough, I can start a new character and after half an hour it’s atmosphere and combat gets its hooks in me.

I often revisit games in my library but I rarely complete a game more than once, I’ve done a few playthroughs of Bloodborne and I know there’ll be more to come.

As for Sekiro it doesn’t quite have the same draw but I did play the shit out of it until I got the plat.

 

[Zuzu]

I’ve recently completed Lies of P, Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3 in that order (all for the first time). Unfortunately I didn’t like Bloodborne a whole lot. I enjoyed Dark Souls 3 a lot more and this is going to trigger people but I liked Lies of P more than Bloodborne as well.

I’m currently playing through Dark Souls Remastered and Demon’s Souls Remake. Their combat systems are inferior to Bloodborne but I like their world’s more. I’ve started a little bit of Elden Ring on my PS5 but I decided to buy a copy for my Xbox and play it there instead. I can already tell that I will like Elden Ring a lot more than Bloodborne even though I’ve only played tiny bit. I haven’t played Sekiro.

 

[GermanZepp]

Bloodborne needs a remake with 4k textures and resolution and 60pfs. Reducing the chromatic aberration and improving the fur of the beasts and I be dammed they need to steal the dynamic fog from Returnal and the raytraced puddles from spiderman.

 

[Danjin44]

I recently done my replay of Bloodborne and FINALLY taking down Queen Yharnam.....I fucking LOVE both Bloodborne and Sekiro.

They both have such good flow to their combat systems which makes it incredibly fun and addictive.

 

[Hudo]

That's a very weird way to write Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun and Age of Empires II.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

That's a very weird way to write Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun and Age of Empires II.

Ironically, you misspelled Shadow of the Colossus and Final Fantasy VII.

 

[YuLY]

Souls-like are nothing but trash with one thing going for them - challenge. I cant wait until this genre dies out. If someone says to me that their fav game is something like Sekiro, the first thing that comes to my mind is "jesus, this dude is boring", that or he played like 10 games.

But hey, challenge is literally the last thing that I can about in video games, where I care about escapism and exploring an interesting universe with a great story, not honing my parry reflex skills. Dont take it personally, but I'm not trolling, I really hate this genre of games.

In a world where games with rich universes like Mass Effect or The Witcher exist, to go ahead and just say Sekiro is your fav game, i just find it really weird, even if you care about challenge, really THE BEST game? nah man, something wrong happened.

 

[Hudo]

Ironically, you misspelled Shadow of the Colossus and Final Fantasy VII.

Did you write this with autocorrect on your phone? Because surely you meant Heroes of Might & Magic III and Final Fantasy VI.

 

[Danjin44]

I cant wait until this genre dies out.

Or you can choose not to play them? You want it die out because you personally dont like them?.....No offence but FUCK THAT!

I dont like FPS and Sports games but you dont see me complaining about entire genre should die out.

 

[gaming_again]

Sekiro, yeah. Arguably. Bloodborne... Dark Souls 3 destroys it.

 

[cireza]

So what's your take on Elden Ring?

Interesting content wasted in an endless sea of bloat.

Sekiro is From's best game in my opinion. No inventory, no levels, no BS. Pure skill and great design.

 

[rofif]

Sekiro and AC6 are PERFECT games that I couldn't change anything if they asked me to.
With bloodborne, I would change blood vials,
But generally yes- I agree. these are perfect games.

But Dark Souls 2 is still better (not sotfs) despite being flawed to hell

 

[JokerMM]

Souls-like are nothing but trash with one thing going for them - challenge. I cant wait until this genre dies out. If someone says to me that their fav game is something like Sekiro, the first thing that comes to my mind is "jesus, this dude is boring", that or he played like 10 games.

But hey, challenge is literally the last thing that I can about in video games, where I care about escapism and exploring an interesting universe with a great story, not honing my parry reflex skills. Dont take it personally, but I'm not trolling, I really hate this genre of games.

In a world where games with rich universes like Mass Effect or The Witcher exist, to go ahead and just say Sekiro is your fav game, i just find it really weird, even if you care about challenge, really THE BEST game? nah man, something wrong happened.

for me it isn't just about the challenge.
the level design
the gameplay
the bosses
the music
the way the lore is being told
like, literally everytthing i like about videos games being put in a single genre

 

[YuLY]

Or you can choose not to play them? You want it die out because you personally dont like them?.....No offence but FUCK THAT!

Yes they do need to die, because it spawned an endless nr. of clones that are even worse...trash like Mortal Shell and many others. Like does somebody remembers that Steerising actually came out ? no because everyone jumped on the next one, Lies of P. Fuck this copy cat genre.

 

[Topher]

Not for me, but to each their own. My son loves those games and really gets into the lore.

 

[BossLackey]

Absolutely some of the best games on ever made.

I think Bloodborne especially is a perfect game. Only issue is the frame rate issues. Outside of that? Legitimately perfect.

 

[cash_longfellow]

While I’ve never played Sekiro, I personally believe Bloodborne is the second most overrated game ever made, just behind Death Stranding. I played through half of the game fighting the garbage frame rate, repetitive hallways, and subpar lore, hoping it would get better…it just didn’t. A couple posters above me gets my point. The literal only thing it has going for it is its challenge. Again, just personal opinion and I’m sure it won’t bode well here, but it’s just tiring seeing so many threads about how good it is throughout the years.

To add though, I am glad they exist, because a lot of people do enjoy them and everyone deserves their own genres they like.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Elden Ring and Dark Souls 3 are trash. lol.

I couldn't even finish Elden Ring had to drop that shit like 30 hours in.

Bloodborne while linear has focus, atmosphere, amazing world building, great weapon variety but lack of respec or being able to do Bloodtinge or Arcane first time does hurt it a bit.

American Werewolf in Yharnam to The Dunwich Horror was incredible.

 

[Danjin44]

Yes they do need to die, because it spawned an endless nr. of clones that are even worse...trash like Mortal Shell and many others. Like does somebody remembers that Steerising actually came out ? no because everyone jumped on the next one, Lies of P. Fuck this copy cat genre.

Again you can simply choose not play them. they are 1000 up on 1000 games out there that are not "Soul game". I myself only play FROM's Souls games, I dont play any other clones.

I personally dont like FPS and MP games but I guess by you logic they all should die out because I personally dont like them?

Just go play the games you do like and let other people enjoy what they want to enjoy.

 

[Bernardougf]

i unironically believe this. i did my 6th Bloodbrone run few weeks ago and finished my 4th Sekiro run last night.
these two games are gaming at purest form: beautiful, unforgiving, and Addicting. these two give me a weird nostolgic feeling of the early 90s games where everything was very hard and feel very new.
no matter how many new amazing games come out these days, no matter how good they are, they never actually stuck with me. i'll be "yeah this was great" and forget about it the next day. but not these two , they are the only games that i EVER replayed and continue to replay. Especially bloodborne. Bloodborne awakened something primal in me that i don't really understand, but as a huge horror/lovecraft fan i feel like this game was litreally made for me.
i love you Hidetaka Miyazaki

You my friend have good taste.. never let people tell you otherwise


Also... Elden Ring FUCKING sux. Deal with it.

 

[GermanZepp]

Sekiro, yeah. Arguably. Bloodborne... Dark Souls 3 destroys it.

No way José, Bloodborne > Dark souls 3

 

[Kurotri]

Cool opinion. Here is my opinion(it's the best in the world):
Sekiro
Elden Ring
Dark Souls 3
Dark Souls 1
Demons Souls
Bloodborne

Depending on the day you ask I might switch positions of Elden Ring and Sekiro, but the others are pretty much locked. I think Bloodborne has the most insane lore out of them all and to me (I'm a pussy) it is also very scary. However one of the most important parts of these games for me are the bosses and I might sound like a crazy person to most but I really didn't like any of the bosses in BB much. In fact most of them were very disappointing. Only ones I liked were Father Gascoigne and Gehrmann.

But who cares, the most important thing that I want to add to the thread is my love for Miyazaki same as you OP. I will play anything he makes. Except Deracine. I have no VR stuff.

 

[Danjin44]

I really didn't like any of the bosses in BB much.

 

[tommib]

I'd consider Bloodborne one of the most important games ever. It came right at the time that everything was being watered down and reminded everyone what games should be first and foremost.

You can also say this about Demon’s Souls which was released at the same time of Uncharted 2. Super cryptic tough as nails RPG with revolutionary asymetrical multiplayer vs on-rails cinematic shooter with on screen hints, automatic platforming and 0 possibility for choices of any kind.

 

[Kurotri]

Whoops, forgot to add that I never played the DLC. Just never got around it.

 

[Danjin44]

Whoops, forgot to add that I never got around the DLC. Just never got around it.

Some the BEST boss fights are in that DLC and get coolest weapons as well.

In my recent replay I used these two weapons.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Souls games are fine. Don't really care for the Soul grind or Stamina system. It's really the only thing holding it back from being perfect.

They do feel like extensive Roguelites with extra steps however and once you play one you've played them all.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Are you doing Sekiro Charmless Demon Bell runs yet?

 

[Zuzu]

Cool opinion. Here is my opinion(it's the best in the world):
Sekiro
Elden Ring
Dark Souls 3
Dark Souls 1
Demons Souls
Bloodborne

Depending on the day you ask I might switch positions of Elden Ring and Sekiro, but the others are pretty much locked. I think Bloodborne has the most insane lore out of them all and to me (I'm a pussy) it is also very scary. However one of the most important parts of these games for me are the bosses and I might sound like a crazy person to most but I really didn't like any of the bosses in BB much. In fact most of them were very disappointing. Only ones I liked were Father Gascoigne and Gehrmann.

But who cares, the most important thing that I want to add to the thread is my love for Miyazaki same as you OP. I will play anything he makes. Except Deracine. I have no VR stuff.

I agree with your sentiment about the bosses (I probably liked more than 2 of them though). Imo the last 4 or so mainline bosses prior to the optional last boss are mediocre. The witch earlier on in the game is also average though I still had fun killing her.

 

[Krappadizzle]

 

[Danjin44]

The literal only thing it has going for it is its challenge

I never get this type of complain, If I wanted challenge for just sake of challenge they are MUCH harder games out there. I play games like Sekiro and Bloodborne other FROM games because they are super fun with fascinating story and lore, great combat and AMAZING art direction.

 

[Zero_Karisma]

I’ve been waiting almost 8 years now for a game to hit me as hard as Bloodborne did in 2016. Definitely one of my all time favorites. Somehow I still haven’t played Sekiro.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Bloodborne is just special, it was an absolute atmospheric vibe. I remember having trouble getting back into other games with how tightly that gripped you, rewarded you and punished you.

 

[Denton]

I found Bloodborne to be 7/10 at best and never bothered with Sekiro. Might try Elden Ring someday though.

 

[tommib]

I’ve been waiting almost 8 years now for a game to hit me as hard as Bloodborne did in 2016. Definitely one of my all time favorites. Somehow I still haven’t played Sekiro.

Have you tried Returnal?

 

[Kurotri]

Some the BEST boss fights are in that DLC and get coolest weapons as well.

In my recent replay I used these two weapons.

I hope those re-release rumors in 2025 are true, think it was The_Snitch that said something along those lines. I'd jump in and try again.

 

[Fake]

Can't speak for Sekiro, but Bloodborne is one of the best games ever in my book.

 

[Danjin44]

I hope those re-release rumors in 2025 are true, think it was The_Snitch that said something along those lines. I'd jump in and try again.

I replayed it on my PS5 and it crazy to me how well this game is aged, once I started playing it got hooked all over again....I couldn't stop playing this game.

Publishers talk about creating player engagement through GaaS and liver service crap but this game managed to do that with only releasing one DLC.

 

[Black_Mamba]

I'm probably alone on this, but for me Bloodborne is by far the worst Souls game and Sekiro is, if not my favorite, the most well rounded and polished. Not sure if it's the best game ever, but could be the best action game ever.

 

[Zuzu]

Souls-like are nothing but trash with one thing going for them - challenge. I cant wait until this genre dies out. If someone says to me that their fav game is something like Sekiro, the first thing that comes to my mind is "jesus, this dude is boring", that or he played like 10 games.

But hey, challenge is literally the last thing that I can about in video games, where I care about escapism and exploring an interesting universe with a great story, not honing my parry reflex skills. Dont take it personally, but I'm not trolling, I really hate this genre of games.

In a world where games with rich universes like Mass Effect or The Witcher exist, to go ahead and just say Sekiro is your fav game, i just find it really weird, even if you care about challenge, really THE BEST game? nah man, something wrong happened.

There’s a lot more going on in them than just simple challenge. There’s strong, interconnected almost metroid-like level design with lots of places to explore. Interesting and haunting dark fantasy worlds to be immersed in. A unique combat system. They engage the player in a lot of risk-reward decision making. Indirect story-telling and deep lore for people who are into that thing (though I prefer standard storytelling personally). And the good old fashioned rpg levelling up/grinding loop.

 

[Terenty]

Try Rain World if you like challenge and genuine innovation. Genius game design that puts even Dark Souls to shame.

I'm being serious

 

[SantaC]

Elden Ring >>> Sekiro