OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Ever since consoles ditched custom silicon they've basically been stripped down PCs anyway. So they just going to make them less stripped down. Not a huge transition.
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Jez Corden: “There is no devkit for the next Xbox right now, the whole idea of the next Xbox is that it’s a PC but in a TV friendly shell”, 2027
I think it's designed to give the die hard Xbox fans something to game on.
These people won't bat an eye to pay for a £1000 system.
I think it'll perform well to that demographic
reinking
Gold Member
I agree but it is hard to know what the strategy is right now. Die hards will pay whatever but how many Game Pass subs do they stand to lose if they lose their traditional Xbox console gamers? I believe they are still looking into a traditional console too, but I also believe more skus leads to more confusion. I do not believe K.I.S.S. Is in Phil’s (Bond’s?) wheelhouse.
The shift to third-party will be very profitable but they are going to have to come up with a plan to retain (or even add) Game Pass subs if they are still counting on it being a big part of their future. I do not have an answer for that and I am not sure they do either.
Radical_3d
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UltimaKilo
Gold Member
When everyone just decided to slap an AMD in their console it was over. What’s interesting is that I’d be excited if Microsoft fully leans into this and allows users to easily upgrade RAM.
Hell, the Series S might not be so bad if like the N64, I could have purchased an extra 16GB of expandable RAM last year.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Its is pretty certain we are getting a handheld from Xbox but its just going to be a Windows machine so nothing there to get very excited about
This is speculations on my part.
It seems MS wants to give some of the diehards the chance to buy a very easy to use PC with the console like experience and keep their Xbox library but open it up to other store fronts
I also think they have explored the more traditional mainstream console but don't know how far that has progressed
reinking
Gold Member
Years ago, I liked the idea of an Xbox branded PC with specs that targeted Xbox games but I wanted it to sell along side the console. I did not want convergence, just for the PC crowd to have an Xbox branded option with Xbox games optimized to play on it. The way they are doing it now, it seems like they are leaving behind their traditional console players. MAU on other consoles is fine but how do they drive profit from that? (I’m guess data mining?) I just don’t know how Game Pass is expected to maintain users if they target the high end crowd. Maybe it is going to be less expensive than I expect?
I predict they'll merge their Xbox game pass with the PC game pass. That is what this box is designed to do, it gives them a console like device for currant diehards. But now they save so much money getting out of the subsidised console model.
I think it'll run a slimmed down windows 11 front end.
Xbox is clearly changing to play Xbox anywhere model, so current game pass customers will be able to take their accounts to these new devices, traditional pc, cloud etc
And of course like you say, publishing third party is going to be very lucrative for them, just look at the Forza horizon preorders on ps5
reinking
Gold Member
I do expect that and Game Pass can easily travel to other systems that allow it. My concern is this console-like PC is going to be expensive. I do not believe PC (or a handheld) will be a driving force for Game Pass like a traditional console will be, I am aware that I could be very wrong on all accounts.
Most likely will be expensive, like I said I think Microsoft are past subsidising hardware.
I predict it's going to cost upwards of £1000, but it's target is the absolute hardcore gamer like us. I would be happy to slap that sort of cash down if it's a massive upgrade.
Maybe they'll have lots of different configurations, high, mid, and low end.
Who knows it's all just rumour and speculation at the moment.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I think GP is doing ok on PC, in that it is growing, unlike console (which makes sense, because if you dont sell consoles you dont sell subscriptions).
I said it earlier in this thread but a console-like PC makes no sense. Nobody is going to buy it. People who want a console won't buy it, and it is going to be expensive and generally PC gamers like to build their own PCs because it is cheaper and the exact system they want. I really doubt MS has interest in competing with Alienware but that is what we are talking about here. Not just that, but just read what people say about the Xbox PC in threads like this, they want it to play Steam games. Which means MS makes no money from it.
A traditional console makes no sense because MS has absolutely tanked the value of buying a MS console and the market figured this out. I couldn't recommend Xbox to anyone these days.
I really don't see why MS would make another console and I haven't seen a single person explain why it does.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Orbital2060
Member
Id like to be able to partition the storage into a PC segment, so you could in fact install WoW + addons on the thing. That it works like a PC like that.
FrankWza
Member
Them not putting out a monster of a console and taking a loss on each unit is so shortsighted and always has been. How they are unable to even make a better console while breaking even is beyond me. Their timing is terrible. If they are not able to get out a viable piece of hardware before gta their decision to make a Pro console available at launch vs mid-gen is easily one of the most bone headed moves in gaming history.
Punished Miku
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I don't know why anyone expects any degree of varied performance from GTA6 at launch. They haven't even patched RDR2. They'll put out the base model version and a PC version at a later date. Whatever minimal upgrades the PS5Pro gets would likely be available on this theoretical NextBox, or the PC version whenever that launches in a year+.
Orbital2060
Member
But 2027 ..
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
They have become very knee jerk reactionaries and lack any true visionaries
Zacfoldor
Member
I suspect the PS5 Pro version will be a significant step up from the PS5 version. Every game yall have said a pro patch won't matter before, it turned out not to be true. When yall told us that the fps wouldn't increase on the pro, that turned out to be a big fat obvious incorrect assumption. Every game that gets even marginal pro patch goes from shit to super playable. Pro has produced much better quality than the haters told us it would at every phase. Clinging to that same incorrect assumption won't change the facts that DF have been laying down.
PC will get the game a year later at full price.
Are PC gamers okay with getting our old games a year later but still paying full price for them?
If someone is on the lookout for a console to play GTA on, why pay 499.99 for an XSX when you can get a PS5 pro for 699. For that extra money not only do you get better graphics, framerate, storage space, frame pacing, upscaling but you are also not buying a console that is about to be replaced soon. It's too late to jump on Xbox Series bandwagon unless you have been living under a rock, it's getting outsold tremendously and about to be completely replaced early by an abomination that nobody asked for as a desperate last attempt at relevancy. If you are buying new hardware for GTA, it should be to wait for a release date confirmation and if in 2025, buy a PS5 Pro. Anybody telling you otherwise is giving you bad advice. We told you all this when PS5 Pro was announced but nobody believed us.
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Punished Miku
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Did Rockstar do anything for PS4 Pro? I honestly can't remember. I just don't see them updating anything all that often but online shit.
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MacReady13
Member
What are the numbers for pre orders on PS5?
Humdinger
Gold Member
Aesthetics? Well, he's saying it's going to essentially be a PC, so it'll probably look like one. I'd guess it will follow the standard Xbox mini-fridge aesthetic - you know, big black rectangular box.
Horseganador
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reinking
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Judge Magister
Member
So it's a Prebuilt Gaming PC.
And a Steam Deck clone.
And a Steam Deck clone.
Xaeroxcore666
Member
Next Xbox, or that rumored Xbox Prime, should be yes, a PC on a console box, windows,PC Xbox App and steam compatible. Basically what the Steam machines tried to be, but succeding....So, going back to basics, what the first Xbox was and we loved: the most powerful console ever made at moment of launch, with a wider graphical gap vs the the future PS6 a high end PC consolized, with some cutbacks, more competitive price and built for enthusiast niche...Not competing directly on specs and hardware design with Sony, which this is what has killed the Xbox brand since XBO. Also they should bet for an entry level system l Series S style. They gotta hit those two niches (the best gaming "next gen"device for entry level and the most powerful console for the enthusiast). Yes, it will have the same software offer of PC, but being plug and play, user friendly and more competitive price/quality than gaming PC. This is wehre they can make the difference...Ohh and also giving more perks for their users, like, i don´t know timed exclusives on games made from 1st party, more competitive price on their digital store, obvioulsy the best of Gamepass....They can still be relevant on the hardware area even being multiplattform, but for that they need to use yes or yes, their biggest strenght, the Gaming PC market!!!
apocaliptic
Member
It's Jez. No need to make a thread for every crap that he posts
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
The chip tape out being this year means the console should be on shelves around 18~ months later give or take. That's a 2027 release date, if they were targeting 2028 they wouldn't be taping out at TSMC now.
cinnamonandgravy
Member
what a bunch of losers
So you don’t think it will be open to play emulators?
RetroGamingUK
Member
Any emulator that runs on a PC will run on it
It’s a PC
If at first I didn’t make that clwar
IT’S A PC
