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June 2008 NPD Sales Data
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marc^o^ said:
Nintendo will have as long as they need, not to mention significant mindshare, not to mention building the console however they want and knowing it automatically best, to figure out how to make games in HD when their next console launches. They can take their time; the Wii isn't going anywhere but up.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
marc^o^ said:
Jesus.
The HD market is more impervious to DD simply because its damn harder to get HD content to consumers down that phoneline, only when you can stream HD content on the fly to millions of consumers simultaneously will DD ever contend and even then there's no reason to expect DD to achieve a greater market share than the music market.charlequin said:
Starchasing
Member
indie85 said:
But so far it doesnt seem lilke people care too much about HD... all i see is vendors pushing the concept but i dont see people thriving for it...
i see people thriving for
tvs that occupy less space
bigger tvs
wii
nothing will beat the concept of having any movie at your fingertips to rent for a reasonable price without going anywhere... Just look at how movies are consumed... only film fanatics and kids watch movies again and again
Starchasing
Member
indie85 said:
Vendors are pushing HD, thats all... there is not a strong demand and
there have never been
for high quality video or audio...
people choose convienence always...
also lets not forget that the HD push has another side.. Sony and company also sell proffesional equipment so they want TVs and producers to update to a new format.
BishopLamont
Banned
...and how many peoples is that? 1? 5? 2 billion?indie85 said:
Starchasing
Member
indie85 said:
You can use your imagination...
ps3 and 360 curves are almost identical
wii is more step
TheRagnCajun
Member
I'll throw my 2 cents in here.
DD is of course the future, but I don't think we're anywhere close to the verge of mass adoption. DD has a few hurdles to get over and its not going to go mainstream in a hurry. Rather, I expect the adoption rate to increase at a gradual rate, co-existing with DVD and bluray for a long time, and eventually phasing it out, many many years later.
Right now, HDTV is what's hot and bluray has a good run in store for it. Prices are dropping and people are switching over. Whether some think the extra money is worth or not is a matter of preference, but there is deffinately a market out there for it. That said, bluray will never replace dvd IMO. 1. because bluray players still play dvds and 2. because you have to pay a premium for bluray. Its hard to justify paying the extra cash every time you get a movie, when you could get the cheaper dvd version and have it play on the same machine.
If the price gap between bluray and dvd ever did close though, I could see dvd becoming obsolete.
tl;dr version: There is big bucks to be had in bluray before DD takes over, but bluray will never be as lucrative as dvd.
DD is of course the future, but I don't think we're anywhere close to the verge of mass adoption. DD has a few hurdles to get over and its not going to go mainstream in a hurry. Rather, I expect the adoption rate to increase at a gradual rate, co-existing with DVD and bluray for a long time, and eventually phasing it out, many many years later.
Right now, HDTV is what's hot and bluray has a good run in store for it. Prices are dropping and people are switching over. Whether some think the extra money is worth or not is a matter of preference, but there is deffinately a market out there for it. That said, bluray will never replace dvd IMO. 1. because bluray players still play dvds and 2. because you have to pay a premium for bluray. Its hard to justify paying the extra cash every time you get a movie, when you could get the cheaper dvd version and have it play on the same machine.
If the price gap between bluray and dvd ever did close though, I could see dvd becoming obsolete.
tl;dr version: There is big bucks to be had in bluray before DD takes over, but bluray will never be as lucrative as dvd.
The thing is that the whole "HD thing" will be accepted when it becomes a standard and there are "HD-ier" things out there..
Then you'll have everyone buying HDTVs and blurays and stuff..and you'll have the same ones clamoring HD as the "future", doing the same thing for the next "HD thing"..
So it will never end..
Then you'll have everyone buying HDTVs and blurays and stuff..and you'll have the same ones clamoring HD as the "future", doing the same thing for the next "HD thing"..
So it will never end..
charlequin
Banned
indie85 said:
Yup. HD isn't a failure or anything, because a market interested in its benefits does exist and will spend money on it, but that market makes up a small part of the overall market for AV content (that is, essentially everyone) and therefore is unlikely to displace the well-established DVD standard soon or, possibly, ever.
You definitely don't know anything like a representative sample. The vast majority of people buy HDTVs because (a) they're flat, (b) they're big, (c) they're what's available now, (d) they're "cool," with (e) they're good for watching sports down a little below that, (f) Planet Earth is cool a little below that, and (g) they're good for watching movies in full cinephile quality waaaaaay down the list.
NintendosBooger
Member
Wow.
Lego Indiana Jones sold 300k?
I thought 3rd Parties didn't sell on the Wii. I'm confused, guys!
Lego Indiana Jones sold 300k?
I thought 3rd Parties didn't sell on the Wii. I'm confused, guys!
AndresON777
shooting blanks
charlequin said:
Dood alls I need is Directv HD and my 360
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
deepbrown said:
Actual US + Actual JPN + Actual Canada + Estimated Europe
Estimated Europe = ELSPA + GfK + minor trackers when explicit numbers are given + press releases + scaled calculations to shipments. There's no denying that this is an estimate and subject to exceptionally large errors and does not represent actual sellthrough.
If these numbers are not acceptable because you (correctly) feel wary about using numbers that have been fudged, or you're worried the source data is not accurate enough, donny also does a version with only US+JPN sales which is 100% free of any kind of GAF-inflicted tampering.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
avaya said:
The CEO of Netflix feels this way. He has publicaly stated that he is betting the entire future of his company on DD and says Blu-ray only accounts for "low single digits" of rentals.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Price of the machine, and the limited demographics imposed by that price.HK-47 said:
Love the idea, the look, hell anything I've heard of LBP I love, but it's on the wrong platform at the wrong time. PS3 at $200? I could see it garnering success, but it will be out a lot sooner then that.
Starchasing said:
Starchasing said:
Sad but true.
I love HD picture quality and it's really difficult for me to understand how some people cannot see or simply don't care about the stunning difference between Blu-Ray/HD-DVD and standard def DVD's. I try to rationalize to myself that perhaps they are simply not experiencing hi def on a proper setup: small HDTV, uneducated setup (composite hook-ups), bad HDM source, etc.. but I'm a realist. I know that most people are simply not passionate enough about film to care for a real home theater experience. Movies/TV are simply another disposable form of entertainment for them and as Starchasing mentioned, they will go for convenience.
I can only hope that Blu-Ray creates a significant enough market share for itself to keep the movies coming to the format and co-exist with standard def DVD's and downloads.
Skiptastic
Member
At 14 pages with 100 posts per page, I didn't get a chance to see if I echo anyone's sentiments, but this month shows the power of an exclusive. When GTA4 comes out on two consoles, it doesn't help someone decided it's time to buy a console. When a bigtime exclusive comes out on a console, that will help people decide and move some consoles.
careful said:Sad but true.
I love HD picture quality and it's really difficult for me to understand how some people cannot see or simply don't care about the stunning difference between Blu-Ray/HD-DVD and standard def DVD's. I try to rationalize to myself that perhaps they are simply not experiencing hi def on a proper setup: small HDTV, uneducated setup (composite hook-ups), bad HDM source, etc.. but I'm a realist. I know that most people are simply not passionate enough about film to care for a real home theater experience. Movies/TV are simply another disposable form of entertainment for them and as Starchasing mentioned, they will go for convenience.
I can only hope that Blu-Ray creates a significant enough market share for itself to keep the movies coming to the format and co-exist with standard def DVD's and downloads.
It's also that up-converted dvds are good enough for most people. I know this doesn't mean much , but there are about 15 people at my job who were going to buy the PS3 for blu-ray. 10 decided to just buy up-converted players or the TVs that will up-convert. They all knew that blu-ray looked better then up-converted dvds.
The Hermit
Member
Nothing of this maters, you know why?
Because The Dark Knight is fucking amazing!
:O
Because The Dark Knight is fucking amazing!
:O
careful said:Sad but true.
I love HD picture quality and it's really difficult for me to understand how some people cannot see or simply don't care about the stunning difference between Blu-Ray/HD-DVD and standard def DVD's. I try to rationalize to myself that perhaps they are simply not experiencing hi def on a proper setup: small HDTV, uneducated setup (composite hook-ups), bad HDM source, etc.. but I'm a realist. I know that most people are simply not passionate enough about film to care for a real home theater experience. Movies/TV are simply another disposable form of entertainment for them and as Starchasing mentioned, they will go for convenience.
I can only hope that Blu-Ray creates a significant enough market share for itself to keep the movies coming to the format and co-exist with standard def DVD's and downloads.
It's the same basic reason people don't buy filet mignon regularly to eat. Sure it's a great, great, great cut of meat, but it's more expensive and you can get the same effect to a lesser extent with a lower priced cut of meat. As the prices of HDTVs and Blu-Ray and the rest drop it will eventually speed adoption rates, but it's going to be a trickle for a LONG time because while there IS a benefit, it's less of a benefit relative to the cost of adopting it.
I agree most people seem satisfied with the quality of upconverted DVD's, although I still have a hard time with it (still too soft/blurry and inferior colors) after seeing the amazing PQ achieved by BD.onipex said:
I did my share at my job. I convinced three guys to get a PS3 for Blu-Ray. We are now 10 at the office with PS3's. :lol
Gaborn said:
As much as I love Blu-Ray,
Filet mignon > Blu-Ray
CitizenCope
Member
OK I nailed my June prediction for 360 and PS3. Why was the prediction thread locked?
Vey impressive PS3 numbers. I know MGS4 had alot to do with them, but I just can't help but feel the 360 has really lost momentum.
Is it because of RROD? Lack of HD movie playback? It's certainly not from the lack of excellent software. Whenever I'm in game shops now I always seem to see people buying PS3s, conicidental or the sign of an increasing swing to PS3?
Is it because of RROD? Lack of HD movie playback? It's certainly not from the lack of excellent software. Whenever I'm in game shops now I always seem to see people buying PS3s, conicidental or the sign of an increasing swing to PS3?
dead souls
Member
Gaborn said:
Exactly. And by the time Blu-Ray adoption speeds up it will be way too late in this generation to really help the PS3.
SecretDestroyer
Banned
Mkliner said:
Is there any estimate regarding what percentage of WW PS2 sales occurred outside of these territories, like in Latin America or mainland Asia?
titiklabingapat
Member
It's gtrue that Sony has been better than MS to pushing platformers before, especially cutesy ones, but I think MS has done so much damage when they reeled Sony in that I don't think the Sony of today is capable of doing what it did in the past.HK-47 said:
Sony's corporate philosophy still lies within the dark, gritty, "mature" line of thinking.