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Media Create Sales 1/7 - 1/13 2008

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ethelred

Member
Busaiku said:
Might pass Eternia (PSP), assuming it did around 10k or so this week (Famitsu has UC at 7k? or something).
Though it'd probably need a drop.
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Nah, still has a ways to go to pass Eternia. Remember, Eternia got a pretty hefty boost when it was rereleased as a Best version.

Portable Tales game sales:
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Tales of Eternia 		PSP 	249,173
Tales of Innocence		NDS	196,913
Tales of the Tempest		NDS 	196,073
Tales of the World: Radiant 	PSP 	195,271
Tales of the World: ND 2	GBA 	186,413
Tales of Phantasia: ND 1	GB  	154,602
Tales of Phantasia	 	GBA 	134,608
Tales of the World: ND 3 	GBA 	113,414
Tales of Phantasia FVE		PSP 	111,034
Tales of Destiny 2		PSP 	80,411
Tales of the World: Summoner	GBA 	52,102

It certainly is feasible for it to pass Eternia, considering how it seems to be clinging to the lower part of the top 30. We'll see how many more weeks it stays.
 
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Pachael

Member
apujanata said:
What do you think will happen in 2008 ? Share your thought on PSP vs DS in 2008.
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DS stomps PSP again. 3rd parties pull out of PSP development due to poor software sales. Everybody in GAF pretends that the DS was never in any trouble, and that no one had expected the PSP to beat the DS anyway.
 
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iidesuyo

Member
Pachael said:
DS stomps PSP again. 3rd parties pull out of PSP development due to poor software sales.
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Hahaha, like DS is so much better for 3rd Parties (besides SE). Has this ever happened before, that a System rises from the ashes after 3 years like PSP?
 
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HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
ethelred said:
Non-gaming systems seem to be all the rage these days. The PSP fits right in with the top three.
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Ooo swing and a miss but hey two out of three aint bad
 
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ethelred

Member
HK-47 said:
Ooo swing and a miss but hey two out of three aint bad
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Not a miss at all. Most of the people who, every time a positive comment is made about the PSP, pipe up to say "but the software! but it's not really a gaming system!" are the same people who oooh and aaaah over the DS having so many million sellers -- you never hear them suggest that adjusted lists need to be created taking out Brain Age, Brain Age 2, English Training, Common Sense Training, Big Brain Academy, or Nintendogs. They never stop sucking Yamauchi's rod long enough to reflect that when they say things like "third parties didn't contribute to the DS's rise at all; it was all brought about by Nintendo innovatively releasing Brain Age and Puppy Training," they're acknowleding the massive role non-gaming applications played in their preferred system's success. And let's not even touch on the enormity of Wii's sales being driven by things that are barely (if at all) classifiable as games.

Yes, the PSP has benefited from Sony's efforts to broaden its appeal out to people who don't play games. Yes, the TV tuner, and the music/tv/videos/porn, and the GPS, and all the other assorted features have been a big boost to it. And yes, it lags behind the massive software success the DS has seen, as any secondary system would be expected to (though if nothing else, it had the #2 best-selling game in 2007, and the best-selling third party game across the DS/PSP/360/PS3/Wii). But the people who snipe at it and try to deny any success in the gaming arena are the worst sort of fanboy poseurs who have no business in any threads dealing with numbers.
 
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reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
ethelred said:
Not a miss at all. Most of the people who, every time a positive comment is made about the PSP, pipe up to say "but the software! but it's not really a gaming system!" are the same people who oooh and aaaah over the DS having so many million sellers -- you never hear them suggest that adjusted lists need to be created taking out Brain Age, Brain Age 2, English Training, Common Sense Training, Big Brain Academy, or Nintendogs. They never stop sucking Yamauchi's rod long enough to reflect that when they say things like "third parties didn't contribute to the DS's rise at all; it was all brought about by Nintendo innovatively releasing Brain Age and Puppy Training," they're acknowleding the massive role non-gaming applications played in their preferred system's success. And let's not even touch on the enormity of Wii's sales being driven by things that are barely (if at all) classifiable as games.

Yes, the PSP has benefited from Sony's efforts to broaden its appeal out to people who don't play games. Yes, the TV tuner, and the music/tv/videos/porn, and the GPS, and all the other assorted features have been a big boost to it. And yes, it lags behind the massive software success the DS has seen, as any secondary system would be expected to (though if nothing else, it had the #2 best-selling game in 2007, and the best-selling third party game across the DS/PSP/360/PS3/Wii). But the people who snipe at it and try to deny any success in the gaming arena are the worst sort of fanboy poseurs who have no business in any threads dealing with numbers.
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Oh snap, ethel dropping the sewious face on us.
 
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gconsole

Member
Stumpokapow said:
I'm not sure what your claim is here. The series has a base popularity of 200k, it increases by 150k per game, and handheld games get an additional 550-800k just for being on handhelds? That's the consequence of making the assumption that the game can simultaneously be considered separate on portables and consoles and as a continuous franchise that will continue to grow.

This would mean that we can expect the Wii MH3 to do 800k and the next portable installment to do 1.8-2.1 million units? I don't think so, to be quite honest.

The problem is that when you're dealing with a data set this small, the margin of error on this prediction is ludicrously high. I don't have access to a calculator (or paper) right now so I can't give you a prediction interval on a linear regression versus a multivariate regression assuming "handheld" as a dummy variable. There are an infinite amount of polynomial models capable of expressing a pattern found in two data points, though, so ultimately looking at the sales of just the console or just the handheld games are useless.
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No. What i'm trying to say is, the console version of the game benefit from the portable version fanbase. The bigger user the portable version is, the bigger chance the console version will sale better in the next game. This is very simple logic. If MH2 sale like crazy now. I'm sure some of these people who buy the game might want to see their belove franchise on the console. Dragging the people from handheld to console. Not all of them will buy PS3 version but it will be big enough. The same as Pokemon.
 
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HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
ethelred said:
Not a miss at all. Most of the people who, every time a positive comment is made about the PSP, pipe up to say "but the software! but it's not really a gaming system!" are the same people who oooh and aaaah over the DS having so many million sellers -- you never hear them suggest that adjusted lists need to be created taking out Brain Age, Brain Age 2, English Training, Common Sense Training, Big Brain Academy, or Nintendogs. They never stop sucking Yamauchi's rod long enough to reflect that when they say things like "third parties didn't contribute to the DS's rise at all; it was all brought about by Nintendo innovatively releasing Brain Age and Puppy Training," they're acknowleding the massive role non-gaming applications played in their preferred system's success. And let's not even touch on the enormity of Wii's sales being driven by things that are barely (if at all) classifiable as games.

Yes, the PSP has benefited from Sony's efforts to broaden its appeal out to people who don't play games. Yes, the TV tuner, and the music/tv/videos/porn, and the GPS, and all the other assorted features have been a big boost to it. And yes, it lags behind the massive software success the DS has seen, as any secondary system would be expected to (though if nothing else, it had the #2 best-selling game in 2007, and the best-selling third party game across the DS/PSP/360/PS3/Wii). But the people who snipe at it and try to deny any success in the gaming arena are the worst sort of fanboy poseurs who have no business in any threads dealing with numbers.
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Who is the one with Nintendogs in his DS recommendation thread or the one that took all that time to show how DS has improved the sales of many games even third parties? I dont get why you attack the DS to save face for the PSP. Its not gonna stop the boneheads from fanning their fanboy flames Its obvious the non games played a big role in its rise to heaven, but it was the third party support and the traditional games that sustained it. DS has proven itself to sell software of all kinds. PSP and Wii frankly havent, IMO. And even now a lot of third parties dont support it like they should, other than Sqeenix.
 
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reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
HK-47 said:
Who is the one with Nintendogs in his DS recommendation thread or the one that took all that time to show how DS has improved the sales of many games even third parties? I dont get why you attack the DS to save face for the PSP. Its not gonna stop the boneheads from fanning their fanboy flames Its obvious the non games played a big role in its rise to heaven, but it was the third party support and the traditional games that sustained it. DS has proven itself to sell software of all kinds. PSP and Wii frankly havent, IMO. And even now a lot of third parties dont support it like they should, other than Sqeenix.
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He's not attacking the DS, he's just pointing out the hypocrisy.
 
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HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
cvxfreak said:
Maybe Tabris was onto something back in September 2007 regarding the PSP's comeback. :lol
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Please dont. It had my fill with tjhooker and Snah in the NPD thread
 
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Dragona Akehi

Retired
HK-47 said:
Who is the one with Nintendogs in his DS recommendation thread or the one that took all that time to show how DS has improved the sales of many games even third parties? I dont get why you attack the DS to save face for the PSP. Its not gonna stop the boneheads from fanning their fanboy flames Its obvious the non games played a big role in its rise to heaven, but it was the third party support and the traditional games that sustained it. DS has proven itself to sell software of all kinds. PSP and Wii frankly havent, IMO. And even now a lot of third parties dont support it like they should, other than Sqeenix.
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ethelred... attacking the DS and... defending the PSP?


Oh my.
 
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donny2112

Member
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HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
reilo said:
He's not attacking the DS, he's just pointing out the hypocrisy.
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I thought he was saying that those three only sell on non games and non gaming features, which clearly wouldnt be correct in DS's case
 
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reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
HK-47 said:
I thought he was saying that those three only sell on non games and non gaming features, which clearly wouldnt be correct in DS's case
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If you think that the Wii is a casual hit, then you really don't know on what the DS built its success on.
 
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BishopLamont

Banned
apujanata said:
Code: 
Hardware - This Week | Last Week |       YTD |        LTD
1. NDS   -    97,369 |   266,568 |   363,937 | 21,536,988
2. PSP   -    96,159 |   218,234 |   314,393 |  7,915,987
3. WII   -    84,530 |   207,797 |   292,327 |  4,908,487
4. PS3   -    38,907 |    64,183 |   103,090 |  1,744,766
5. PS2   -    14,499 |    32,010 |    46,509 | 20,973,546
6. 360   -     4,690 |     9,763 |    14,453 |    521,794

Is this the start of the new era ?
PSP Slim to become the next DSL ?
One year Easter for PSP ?
Start of incredible increase of PSP S/W for 2008 ?

What do you think will happen in 2008 ? Share your thought on PSP vs DS in 2008.
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PSP is looking to be the next DSL in terms of hardware but in software we won't see a huge uptick in 2008, similiar to the Wii situation we'll probably see an increase in announcements/support but the games itself won't arrive till much later.
 
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HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
reilo said:
If you think that the Wii is a casual hit, then you really don't know on what the DS built its success on.
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So Wii isnt a casual hit? I said DS built its success on casual games but moved beyond that. Wii hasnt yet
 
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Rancid Mildew

Banned
reilo said:
If you think that the Wii is a casual hit, then you really don't know on what the DS built its success on.
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The DS's success is a direct result of its varied library. It wouldn't be doing the record numbers without third parties and Nintendo's traditional games. Likewise, if it didn't have the non-games, it wouldn't be that successful either.
 
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DiddyBop

Member
im glad people are coming to their senses. did you ppl really believe that piracy on the psp in japan is so rampant,that it would explain the lack of psp titles on the chart? it doesnt make any sense. 90% of the userbase arent modifying their systems people, get real. it seems more like they use the psp as a video/music player since its more convenient than an ipod since ipod games suck when compared to the psp.
 
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Mr. Pointy

Member
HK-47 said:
So Wii isnt a casual hit? I said DS built its success on casual games but moved beyond that. Wii hasnt yet
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Pretty much. The only difference is that the Wii didn't stagnate like the DS did in its 1st year or so.

You knwo, I'm really hoping people start buying PSP software in Japan other than MHP2. I wouldn't mind if Crisis Core, Patapon and MGSPO+ got second winds or something.
 
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Linkup

Member
HK-47 said:
So Wii isnt a casual hit? I said DS built its success on casual games but moved beyond that. Wii hasnt yet
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People used to always argue that the DS was just GBA left overs.

BishopLamont said:
PSP is looking to be the next DSL in terms of hardware but in software we won't see a huge uptick in 2008, similiar to the Wii situation we'll probably see an increase in announcements/support but the games itself won't arrive till much later.
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What exactly are you saying? A PSP dev shift is coming?
 
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BishopLamont

Banned
Linkup said:
People used to always argue that the DS was just GBA left overs.



What exactly are you saying? A PSP dev shift is coming?
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Maybe not at the scale of the DS but more support then last year, it's been doing insane numbers lately.
 
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Linkup

Member
BishopLamont said:
Maybe not at the scale of the DS but more support then last year, it's been doing insane numbers lately.
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Most people think it has done insane numbers because people either play Jack Sparrow or listen to music/etc so why would pubs move in on that. Also I give up on any wii dev shift some time ago because demographics seem more important than userbase this time around.
 
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BishopLamont

Banned
DayShallCome said:
Games just simply do not sell on PSP. Regardless of HW numbers.
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I don't think that's entirely true. Sure it doesn't look too good for small developers as a platform but for the big devs, I'm sure they don't mind trying to find the next MHP for the PSP.
 
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HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
BishopLamont said:
I don't think that's entirely true. Sure it doesn't look too good for small developers as a platform but for the big devs, I'm sure they don't mind trying to find the next MHP for the PSP.
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Just like trying to find the next big thing on the Wii...its not easy
 
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Segata Sanshiro

Member
BishopLamont said:
I don't think that's entirely true. Sure it doesn't look too good for small developers as a platform but for the big devs, I'm sure they don't mind trying to find the next MHP for the PSP.
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SEGA has virtually given up. Capcom isn't bringing anywhere near the noise or the funk. EA has scaled back to a ridiculous degree. Activision's been pulling back for the last several months. Take-Two/Rockstar are pretty much done, aside from 2K Baseball and some JoAG garbage. Lucasarts didn't even bother with a port of LEGO Star Wars - Complete Saga.

Sony's giving great support but most of it with the cloud of "Will port to PS2 later". Square-Enix is still supporting strong. Konami is pretty much maintaining their presence. Namco still seems keen. Atari is still there. Ubisoft is pulling back a little but not much really.

The support situation for the PSP is starting to look bad. I'm about the keenest keener on the PSP around, but the poor sales of software over the last long while worldwide are starting to show their effect. I'm not sure how it will get a chance to get better from here.
 
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mollipen

Member
God I wish software was selling better on the PSP. My love for the system has really re-ignited over the past year, and I wish it was getting far more software that is (or will probably be) getting.
 
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BishopLamont

Banned
Segata Sanshiro said:
SEGA has virtually given up. Capcom isn't bringing anywhere near the noise or the funk. EA has scaled back to a ridiculous degree. Activision's been pulling back for the last several months. Take-Two/Rockstar are pretty much done, aside from 2K Baseball and some JoAG garbage. Lucasarts didn't even bother with a port of LEGO Star Wars - Complete Saga.

Sony's giving great support but most of it with the cloud of "Will port to PS2 later". Square-Enix is still supporting strong. Konami is pretty much maintaining their presence. Namco still seems keen. Atari is still there. Ubisoft is pulling back a little but not much really.

The support situation for the PSP is starting to look bad. I'm about the keenest keener on the PSP around, but the poor sales of software over the last long while worldwide are starting to show their effect. I'm not sure how it will get a chance to get better from here.
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Yeah all this due to bad software sales, but I'm looking at hardware sales in the previous months, it's drastically better then what PSP was doing prior to the Slim release and I'm hoping this translates to better support.
 
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Segata Sanshiro

Member
BishopLamont said:
Yeah all this due to bad software sales, but I'm looking at hardware sales in the previous months, it's drastically better then what PSP was doing prior to the Slim release and I'm hoping this translates to better support.
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The only way the support comes back is if software starts to sell, and clearly the "guaranteed winners" aren't going to cut it for bringing the other third parties back. The problem is essentially a catch-22. The games aren't coming back until games start to sell better, but it's hard for the games to sell better if they don't exist.

These kind of hardware sales speak volumes, but it's amazing how quickly hardware sales volumes can be drowned out if the software keeps on splattering.
 
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kassatsu

Banned
Percentage drops from last week. PS3 had the smallest drop.

DS: 63.5%
WII: 59.3%
PSP: 55.9%
PS2: 54.7%
360: 52.0%
PS3: 39.4%
 
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Cheesemeister

Member
Segata Sanshiro said:
SEGA has virtually given up. Capcom isn't bringing anywhere near the noise or the funk. EA has scaled back to a ridiculous degree. Activision's been pulling back for the last several months. Take-Two/Rockstar are pretty much done, aside from 2K Baseball and some JoAG garbage. Lucasarts didn't even bother with a port of LEGO Star Wars - Complete Saga.

Sony's giving great support but most of it with the cloud of "Will port to PS2 later". Square-Enix is still supporting strong. Konami is pretty much maintaining their presence. Namco still seems keen. Atari is still there. Ubisoft is pulling back a little but not much really.

The support situation for the PSP is starting to look bad. I'm about the keenest keener on the PSP around, but the poor sales of software over the last long while worldwide are starting to show their effect. I'm not sure how it will get a chance to get better from here.
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Deku

Banned
PSP 2000 was succeeding as a CE device long before Slim and the redesign has only accelerated the pace. The trend of precipitous software decline and relatively steady hardware sales wasn't new. Slim simply increased HW sales without a corresponding software gain.

Whether piracy is to such an extent and so selective where one game can do 1.5+ million but the rest of the library basically can't get off the ground, is a purely academic concern and something we may find out eventually in the future when we can get a better view.

That said, The 'rise from the dead' analogy is probably more on the mark than its originator intended it to be. The corpse is resurrected, but it's still dead. Like a zombie.
 
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Mr. Pointy

Member
kassatsu said:
05./14. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd (Capcom) - 25,927 / 1,511,000

Hmm?
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All their noise and funk on the PSP is Monster Hunter related. There's no new Megaman, Ghouls N Ghosts, Street Fighter, Resident Evil, DMC, etc. The only non-MH thing I can think of that Capcom are doing for the PSP is Harvey Birdman. And if that tanks in the US, MH is all Capcom will be bringing.

I mean fuck, a cheap-ass RE Outbreak compilation would suffice, Cacpom.
 
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Galactic Fork

A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
HK-47 said:
Has MHP 3 been announced?
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Not officially, but I still believe part of the reason they chose the wii was because psp to wii ports aren't that uncommon, so they can design it for the PSP, toss in some motion controls for the MH3, then just wait till they can make some real money with MHP3.
 
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