slaughterking said:
Yeah..its actually somewhat unusual for a game to double its first day numbers. Given what I suspect is the front loaded nature of the demo..errr game, I think the numbers are decent. Should easily clear 200K and probably 250K.
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Media Create Sales: April 20-26
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Yeah..its actually somewhat unusual for a game to double its first day numbers. Given what I suspect is the front loaded nature of the demo..errr game, I think the numbers are decent. Should easily clear 200K and probably 250K.
Link is just being himself
The truth is MHG almost sold 100% of it's starter pak which coincidentally is what you need to play the game as MHG does NOT work with the wiimote/nunchuck
It's Capcoms fuckup. how can you sell more then you shipped?
The standalone was a port/re-release for the 4th time and I repeat you could not play it with default Wii controls. Who the hell is going to buy that over the starter pack
Also for shits any giggles the shipment was 120k starter and ~90k for standard
The truth is MHG almost sold 100% of it's starter pak which coincidentally is what you need to play the game as MHG does NOT work with the wiimote/nunchuck
It's Capcoms fuckup. how can you sell more then you shipped?
The standalone was a port/re-release for the 4th time and I repeat you could not play it with default Wii controls. Who the hell is going to buy that over the starter pack
Also for shits any giggles the shipment was 120k starter and ~90k for standard
sixteen-bit
Member
Deathsmiles <3
Surely a North American publisher picking this up is probably too much to ask for but prove me wrong Atlus or Aksys or Valcon or whoever else.
Surely a North American publisher picking this up is probably too much to ask for but prove me wrong Atlus or Aksys or Valcon or whoever else.
ShockingAlberto
Member
You phrase this to him as if it's accidental.Stopsign said:
Captain Smoker
Member
The ratio is 1.55 : 1Kenka said:
1.5 is the average.
Cosmonaut X
Member
markatisu said:
Wrong, AFAIK. It's perfectly playable with the remote/nunchuk combo.
Cosmonaut X
Member
schuelma said:
I'm pretty sure it is, although now you've said it I must doublecheck!
EDIT:
Just had a quick look and it seems I'm wrong. Apologies!
BishopLamont
Banned
MHG first day - first week ratio is normal if we go by Famitsu. Please don't mix different trackers.
MC hardware numbers:
PSP 41,187
DSi 37,495
PS3 23,351
Wii 18,439
Xbox 360 7,016
DS Lite 6,374
PS2 4,524
http://www.m-create.com/ranking/
PSP 41,187
DSi 37,495
PS3 23,351
Wii 18,439
Xbox 360 7,016
DS Lite 6,374
PS2 4,524
http://www.m-create.com/ranking/
Absolutely terrible bump for Wii hardware. Very poor numbers for MHG for the week overall, imo. The Wii continues to disappoint in Japan.
Enormous drop for the PS3. It was expect to fall, but that is a spectacular fall. It's going to fall below 20k again within a week or two, and then I expect a gradual drop back down to 10k.
Enormous drop for the PS3. It was expect to fall, but that is a spectacular fall. It's going to fall below 20k again within a week or two, and then I expect a gradual drop back down to 10k.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Wii did alright, it had a bump. But did you expect PS3 to not even fall 50%? This is no suprise at all. Next weeks numbers should be interesting.Opiate said:
It's also good to see some PS3 presence on a more consistent basis in the top 50. Still paltry though.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
markatisu said:
Damn Capcom talk about a boneheaded move.
I genuinely believe third parties have made a mess of things over in Japan. I can't exactly say what they should have done, but what they have done is splinter an already dwindling fanbase in to a host of smaller factions, which is absolutely untennable long term. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest a crash is coming to the Japanese gaming market now.
I'm not suggesting it's inevitable, but they've gone and messed things up very nicely.
I'm not suggesting it's inevitable, but they've gone and messed things up very nicely.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
Opiate said:
That was Famitsu's first day sales though. Famitsu's weekly sales were actually close to 145,000. It so going by famitsu the game sold 50,000 more copies during the last two days (released on Thursday, trackers end when Sunday hits) it was available. Not to mention that the Starter Pack had a very high sell through.
There really isn't anything to be shocked about. So far it doesn't seem to have worm legs, but then again it doesn't seem to be dying off immediately. Like others have said it's pretty much at average.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
gtj1092 said:
I assume you're talking about me in the previous Media Create thread.
Okay first off in that thread with Oboro I never went from Famitsu to Media Create I only used Media Create and only Media Create.
Second off I stated that I didn't go to the average with the multiple trackers due to Marvelous announcing that they were struggling to keep demand, something that didn't mesh well with Famitsu's sell-throughs but did with Media Creates.
There was nothing wrong with what I did at the time because it meshed with what was currently happening to the game. Sadly the game didn't seem to have legs as it isn't on this list.
Anyway what I did and what Link is doing have nothing in common.
Going in to more detail, I would analyze the situation in this manner: in terms of sales, the Wii has extremely strong first party support but weak third party support; the 360 has extremely weak first party support (this is Japan, Halo and Gears are anathema) but quite disproportionately large third party support; and the PS3 has recieved mediocre first party support with some sporadic blockbuster exclusive third party support, but very little AA or A support to flesh out the library in between those releases.
The result is a bizarrely fissured market where the only safe bet is the DS -- but I think some parties are very hesitant to put their important games on the DS because they're afraid of losing "mindshare," particularly amongst Western Gamers. Consider if Metal Gear Solid had been for the DS, for example. Dragon Quest is one of the few major games that can afford to be on the DS because it's already an ignored brand in the West.
It's really a very dangerous market place, and I entirely blame third parties for creating it.
The result is a bizarrely fissured market where the only safe bet is the DS -- but I think some parties are very hesitant to put their important games on the DS because they're afraid of losing "mindshare," particularly amongst Western Gamers. Consider if Metal Gear Solid had been for the DS, for example. Dragon Quest is one of the few major games that can afford to be on the DS because it's already an ignored brand in the West.
It's really a very dangerous market place, and I entirely blame third parties for creating it.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
Spiegel said:
I thought shipment numbers were set in stone information given by the publisher and didn't change between trackers? I mean trackers have to track sales but not shipment numbers. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
Opiate said:
Agreed. There truly isn't a platform(s) that are getting the lion share of support from the in general Japanese publishers.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
HK-47 said:
Good point. I find this true as well. With Nintendo especially IMO.
schuelma said:
:lol
Media-Create did come out with their 2008 Top 500 before Famitsu, though.
Also, I'm generally with Opiate on Monster Hunter G having a lackluster weekend performance (~50K) following the first day sales (~90K). I do think it is specifically due to not having enough Classic Controller bundles available, though.
Flying_Phoenix said:
I thought we only got the shipment numbers from Famitsu.
Flying_Phoenix said:
I know Famitsu estimates shipment numbers from the stores they track. Media-Create probably does the same.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
donny2112 said::lol
Media-Create did come out with their 2008 Top 500 before Famitsu, though.
Also, I'm generally with Opiate on Monster Hunter G having a lackluster weekend performance (~50K) following the first day sales (~90K). I do think it is specifically due to not having enough Classic Controller bundles available, though.
I agree that it didn't do what it was suppose to do, but it isn't "bad". To me its just average. This is the 3rd time this game has been released hasn't it?
donny2112 said:
Yeah but Famitsu doesn't track shipment numbers as they are given to them correct? Again someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.
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donny2112 said:
I see. I stand corrected. Sorry I wasn't previously aware of this.
The Japanese market sure is interesting this gen. It's amazing how trends can change so quickly.
Is any other territory so..fickle/malleable? It's hard to imagine momentum in one direction or the other being so turned on its head - even if only temporarily - in other territories. Or am I wrong?
Is any other territory so..fickle/malleable? It's hard to imagine momentum in one direction or the other being so turned on its head - even if only temporarily - in other territories. Or am I wrong?
HK-47 said:
Very tough to say. I might replace "entirely" with "90%," but that's not a hair I'm particularly interested in splitting.
Sony and Nintendo are doing precisely what they're supposed to do: creating games that are exclusive to their platforms to entice buyers.
Third parties have to understand that their games can also entice buyers, and by putting their games on comparatively unpopular platforms, they fracture the user base and create problems that only they have to do deal with: porting costs and demographic concerns.
Let me put this more simply: all fans of Nintendo games must own Nintendo systems to play them, and the same is true of Sony fans and Microsoft fans with their respective systems.
If I'm a fan of jRPGs made by Namco or Square, however, I would genuinely not know where to go.
AceBandage
Banned
gofreak said:
I don't know how it works in America, but in Japan, they have honor and shame.
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
Opiate said:
I guess this is why Western developers are so hesitant to go toward the Wii or DS. No point in splitting your userbase when they are currently all in one basket.
RpgN
Junior Member
Opiate said:
That's kind of one-sided, this statement.
Nintendo changed the market, promising to bring new gamers and satisfy the core gamers. Only, they went a little too far with the first and the Wii is associated with games for housewives now. Expecting third parties to all adept this strategy with success and throw their old formula out of the window, is asking for much. Nintendo changed too many rules this gen causing this confusion. Even though they won't admit it, but I think if the wii's graphics were comparable to the HD consoles and kept strong support for core gamers (like the first year) as well, a lot of third parties would have jumped early to support the leader. There would have been not a single excuse not to.
AndriaSang.com has an interesting writeup from Nintendo involving who uses the Wii in Japan from a video for the upcoming Wii-no-ma program. The data is based off of interviews in Osaka and Tokyo in January of 3,045 people.
Average number of users per household
DS - 2.9
PSP - 1.9
Wii - 3.4
PS3 - 2.1
Xbox360 - 1.5
PS2 - 2.3
Just my own interpretation, but I think the handheld numbers might also relate to the number of handhelds in the home. I don't see a situation where three people in the house share one DS. :lol
Gender/Age spread of Wii users
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blogs/anoop/2009/04/30/nintendo_graphs/images/2132379981/
Also, 87% of Wii owners use the Wii on the biggest TV in the house.
Average number of users per household
DS - 2.9
PSP - 1.9
Wii - 3.4
PS3 - 2.1
Xbox360 - 1.5
PS2 - 2.3
Just my own interpretation, but I think the handheld numbers might also relate to the number of handhelds in the home. I don't see a situation where three people in the house share one DS. :lol
Gender/Age spread of Wii users
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blogs/anoop/2009/04/30/nintendo_graphs/images/2132379981/
Also, 87% of Wii owners use the Wii on the biggest TV in the house.
Tylahedras
Banned
So Muramasa is gone never to return?
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
RpgN said:
I don't think that is really Nintendo's fault. It's up to the third parties to quickly adapt to changes, not Nintendo.
However what I do blame Nintendo for is not grasping the third parties immediately or very early in on the Wii's life.
Nintendo should have convinced Capcom to port Monster Hunter 3 and 2 other AAA titles early on. Nintendo should have convinced Square-Enix to release 2 AAA JRPG's on the Wii during its first 2 years on the market. Nintendo should have talked with third parties persuading them to release a specific versions of their multiplatform HD games on the Wii.
It was and is Nintendo's job to convince third parties to develop games on their platform and not vice versa. Yes they have Monster Hunter and Dragon Quest (Japan's two biggest third party IP's) but they can only push the platform so far if they're coming so late onto the systems life.
I'm not saying Nintendo should be like Microsoft or SONY where they consistently flash their wallets. But they should be a little less conservative with their money and use it at the right times with the right IP's. The kinda get the "right IP's" part but they really understand the concept of timing and the amount of games you need to turn the head of third parties.
frankie_baby
Member
I wonder if capcom will be able to ship out any more of the bundles or if they already shipped all they manufactured
Thought this was relevant, from another thread:
"we at Nintendo have to reflect on domestic Wii software deployment in the former half of this year. Like what had been to be released in the former half of this year was postponed to the latter, we were not able to reach the original goal to regularly make new proposals.
As for our deployment during the latter half of this year, I would like to announce on the other day as it is not todays main topic. I would like to address that Nintendo recognize that we have been short of new proposals during the former half of this year, so far."
Iwata's comments this week.
"we at Nintendo have to reflect on domestic Wii software deployment in the former half of this year. Like what had been to be released in the former half of this year was postponed to the latter, we were not able to reach the original goal to regularly make new proposals.
As for our deployment during the latter half of this year, I would like to announce on the other day as it is not todays main topic. I would like to address that Nintendo recognize that we have been short of new proposals during the former half of this year, so far."
Iwata's comments this week.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
This reminds me of a personal experience...
Sometimes I have an argument with my girlfriend. She wants me to do some chore or another. I don't think the chore really needs to be done, and to be honest, I'm not in the mood to do it either.
She asks me to do it, I sort of groan and then start doing it halfassedly. Then she gets mad at me because she did a bunch of other chores and what she's asking of me isn't a whole lot, and she's already taken care of everything else. She also says stuff like "I don't want you to do this, I want you to WANT to do this"
Is she right? Is she wrong?
Answer:
Secret Socially Inept Decoding Key: I'm a third party, my girlfriend is Nintendo, and the chore is a game for the Wii.
Sometimes I have an argument with my girlfriend. She wants me to do some chore or another. I don't think the chore really needs to be done, and to be honest, I'm not in the mood to do it either.
She asks me to do it, I sort of groan and then start doing it halfassedly. Then she gets mad at me because she did a bunch of other chores and what she's asking of me isn't a whole lot, and she's already taken care of everything else. She also says stuff like "I don't want you to do this, I want you to WANT to do this"
Is she right? Is she wrong?
Answer:
It doesn't matter who is right or wrong. What matters is whether the chore gets done in the end and who suffers more if it doesn't get done.
Secret Socially Inept Decoding Key: I'm a third party, my girlfriend is Nintendo, and the chore is a game for the Wii.