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Media Create sales: May 31-June 6
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schuelma said:
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if we see, for example, FFXV and KH3 on 3DS. Having good graphical tecnology and the absence of a competitor (because psp2 is nowhere to be seen and psp will be dead next year) means that there's nothing stopping 3DS from getting all the japanese third party support and the biggest franchises. Third parties now know that portables is what Japan wants and they are heavily supporting the console from the start.
3DS is looking to be DS+PSP. And that's better for us, we'll have to buy only one console.
Spiegel said:
Yeah. In terms of the next generation of home consoles, I see 2 niches- the really really graphically intensive demanding audience, and the social multiplayer crowd. As far as your typical single player gamer, I think the 3DS will dominate that group of gamers and games.
AranhaHunter
Banned
Chris1964 said:
Not at all, I never even once thought of buying a DS even though DQ is a series I really enjoy. With the launch lineup and 3rd party support, I'm already thinking of getting a 3DS day one.
Spiegel said:
With this thing already getting 2 PS2 ports (I think KH 3DS is a KH1 remake?) I can see it getting all sorts of ports from Dreamcast to Xbox to Gamecube to PS2 to PSP etc
Moor-Angol
Banned
Spiegel said:
oh yes, you are right...
sorry, i didn't see Monster Hunter on 3DS release list...
and you really believe sony is not working on PSP2 ?
and you forget there is TGS in September ?
very intesive analysis, really !
Moor-Angol said:
There's no need for Capcom to announce a MH game now. Don't be silly
They want to release MHP3 first, sell 3.5 millions and then announce a 3DS version.
That'd be a good business decision.
Moor-Angol said:
If they are working on one they surely are doing their best to make me believe otherwise.
onken said:
While there will still be new games being released on the DS, in correlation to the release of 3DS I think devs could release notable titles for both platforms in an attempt to seize it's potential growth in sales. Take for example, Layton 5. It's already been announced for the 3DS, but it was scheduled this year for the DS. The incentive will be there through the 3DS' backwards compatibility, and the assurance of future franchises moving over too.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Ehh, I don't know about a total switch. Wii+3DS for DQX would cover more of the market than PS3+X360 for FF XIII, though.schuelma said:
schuelma said:
DQX is a special case, though. Nintendo is intricately involved with DQIX overseas, and they wouldn't want to lose it from their home console for their handheld (presumably) that wouldn't need it for sales. I could see them letting a dual release happen, but that doesn't fit with the last 20 years of DQ release history.
If the Nintendo strategy of 3DS is to allow quick ports from Wii games, then it's a very interesting direction indeed. But I seriously doubt a DQ game would be available for both console and handheld at launch. It basically all depends on when DQX is planned for release. If it's mid-2011, the 3DS market will not be ready. Mid-2012? No problem.cw_sasuke said:
Sammy Samusu
Member
PS2 disagree.onken said:
JoshuaJSlone
Member
First few were multiplatform Famicom/MSX.donny2112 said:
I was just thinking, if 3DS launches late this year/early next year in Japan and sells like DS/Lite did from late 2005 on, it could catch up to Wii by mid-2012.Jonnyram said:
Of?Spiegel said:
Jonnyram said:
SE would still wait till the 3DS Userbase at its peak before releasing the next main DQ Game. The 3DS will probably get most upcoming Spin-Offs and a Remake of 7 or the first 3 games.
@Sammy Samusu
GameCube ?
charlequin
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onken said:
Ehn, it worked out fine for the PS2.
The benefit of competition for the consumer is that it destroys profits -- it forces companies to maintain smaller profit margins and sell products at lower prices or include more value to undercut their competitors. This part is purely beneficial to consumers. However, it also has market-altering effects that aren't always beneficial -- splitting games across multiple consoles (costing consumers more money to play them all), hurting the performance of software titles due to such splitting (meaning many games are less viable than they'd be on a single platform), creating arms races of dubious value to the consumer (the overpriced 360 and PS3 are a result of the two companies screwing up directly as a result of competing in pointless one-upsmanship with one another), etc.
The ideal for gaming specifically is probably something like the DS/PSP competition -- one hugely dominant winner that third parties can feel completely safe developing for and which gets all the benefits of economies of scale, and one also-ran who's just threatening enough that the market leader can't get complacent or slide into monopoly tactics. Although the 3DS doesn't currently seem to have a competitor, the system is already visibly designed to fend off a Sony challenge in its featureset (and probably in its price) which means Sony's competition last generation has already benefited us this coming handheld generation.
You are right that competition is important but we shouldn´t dismiss the fact that even with just one platform there still are all these developers and publishers competing with each other. And a hypothetical one platform future would atleast let them focus a bit more on their actual product instead of wasting resources on simple porting work.
charlequin
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Laguna said:
Also an excellent point. I think there's good reason to believe that competition between software is much more beneficial for the consumer overall than platform competition (which has both upsides and downsides.)
RPG_Fanatic
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Chris1964 said:
Good to see Xenoblade in the number 1 spot.
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
I agree, but only because platform competition is more or less non-existent in this market. I have a feeling that the console/handheld gaming market is one that is prone to natural monopolies. It's not a new idea, but the platform with the best software attracts the most users, the platform with the most users attracts the best software etc. in a big feedback loop until one platform dominates.charlequin said:
The only anomoly in seven generations has been the Wii and I firmly believe that this occurred because 3rd parties did not behave as rational actors with regards to it. It confused them and made them fearful, thus the Wii did not attract their best software.
Luckily for competing platform holders, it's also a market that resets every half-decade or so.
Also:
Cheer up, guys, come the 3DS, these threads'll get interesting again. It's just too bad there's nothing coming up that'll rival the DS vs PSP wars that dominated the discussion here once. Maybe something suprising will happen.
Heck, I've not been posting in these threads the last few months, mostly on account of having nothing new to say. The trends this gen have been interesting and occasionally bewildering. Trying to make sense of it all is what makes the discussion here so great.
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Laguna said:
People are forgetting that Nintendo sees Apple (and other cell phones/tablets) as a major source of competition in the portable market. The inclusion of 3D camera, 3D movie playback, and added communication features were more a response to that threat than anything Sony might offer.
Conrad Link
Member
Whooo go Xenoblade!
(and Mario Galaxy 2).
(and Mario Galaxy 2).
Sammy Samusu
Member
We not getting numberz?
JoshuaJSlone said:
Aren't those over 20 years ago, though?
ivysaur12 said:
http://www.inside-games.jp/ranking/weekly.php?week=159
They should be there first.
Chris1964 said:
Absolutely, we don't know the price, and for what we know the thing could be pirated the first week and create a serious problem (bear with me, It's just a very extreme example to illustrate my point). Nothing it´s a completely safe bet (there are only better bets than others, 3DS look a very good bet but I will wait a bit until it's a reality for the market).
Sammy Samusu
Member
Yeah, but I heard Xenoblade shipment was around 80k... really? I was expecting like 100k sold during it's first week, but, er, it's kinda impossible now.ivysaur12 said:
One of the things that always hurt PSP was being on the receiving end of watered down console ports. And 3DS hw delta to Wii looks to be almost identical to where PSP was from PS2.Jonnyram said:
Admittedly most JRPGs nowadays are still developed with NES as the baseline hw-spec, so it's less of an issue in Japan but still.
RurouniZel
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duckroll said:
Nothing earth-shattering sadly, but I kinda expected that. Respectable, but it seems to be a big budget RPG from Ninty so we'll just have to see if it ends up being profitable.
mutsu said:
Famitsu/Enterbrain numbers:
Baten Kaitos - first week 47k, LTD 108k
Baten Kaitos 2 - first week 12k, LTD 44k
Xenosaga Ep1 - first week 300k, LTD 439k
Xenosaga Ep2 - first week 183k, LTD 256k
Xenosaga Ep3 - first week 119k, LTD 181k
Xenosaga I+II - first week 11k, LTD 21k
Soma Bringer - first week 53k, LTD 100k
Magicpaint
Member
Pretty decent for Xenoblade, I suppose. It certainly beats the BK games and Soma Bringer (though that was also expected). 150k should be doable...I hope.
thestopsign
Member
I'm betting it follows Fire Emblem Wii's track pretty closely. I think that game started around 80k and got to 160k.
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
ファイアーエムブレム 暁の女神 Nintendo
任天堂 RPG 22/02/2007 73.337 42,66% 171.924
160-170k seems like a good bet.
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
ファイアーエムブレム 暁の女神 Nintendo
任天堂 RPG 22/02/2007 73.337 42,66% 171.924
160-170k seems like a good bet.
Shalashaska161
Member
Decent numbers for Xenoblade. Here's hoping that has some legs and doesn't drop off into oblivion next week. Anything big coming out next week in Japan to challenge it?