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Media Create Sales: Week 25, 2012 (Jun 18 - Jun 24)
- Thread starter donny2112
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Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Wait, NSMB2 is out next week?
No. End of the month.
electroplankton
Banned
Would Monster Hunter 4 have had the same sales potential without Monster Hunter 3G to set the ground?
This is a though one to answer. By the way, it is sure that releasing spin-off and remake titles before the mainline entry of a huge series comes out works. Square Enix has used this strategy since PS1 with Dragon Quest and also Nintendo barely did this with Pokémon. When you have a game that has to sell million of units, building the fanbase step by step on the console that has been chosen is useful and probably also profitable.
Will Monster Hunter 3G sales be affected by the release of Monster Hunter 4?
Well, probably yes. But 4 is a 2013 release, there are still at least nine months in which 3G can sell a respectable amount of units, also thanks to a budget release. Given that, the game has already overcome Capcom's expectations by a great extent, and therefore it could also stop selling now and I doubt it would be a huge problem for the software house (that's hyperbolic, sure).
I think these were the two issues raised by test_account.
This is a though one to answer. By the way, it is sure that releasing spin-off and remake titles before the mainline entry of a huge series comes out works. Square Enix has used this strategy since PS1 with Dragon Quest and also Nintendo barely did this with Pokémon. When you have a game that has to sell million of units, building the fanbase step by step on the console that has been chosen is useful and probably also profitable.
Will Monster Hunter 3G sales be affected by the release of Monster Hunter 4?
Well, probably yes. But 4 is a 2013 release, there are still at least nine months in which 3G can sell a respectable amount of units, also thanks to a budget release. Given that, the game has already overcome Capcom's expectations by a great extent, and therefore it could also stop selling now and I doubt it would be a huge problem for the software house (that's hyperbolic, sure).
I think these were the two issues raised by test_account.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Nintendo to report their Q1 earnings on July 25.
BishopLamont
Banned
You guys think too much, Demon Training is perfect as it is.
Also, reading test_account's posts is a headache.
Also, reading test_account's posts is a headache.
[3DS] Etrian Odyssey IV (4 weeks) - 122,000
[3DS] Little Battlers eXperience Explosive Boost (4 weeks) - 68,000
[3DS] Taiko Drum Master: Chibi Dragon (3 weeks) - 75,000
[PSV] Time Travelers (3 weeks) - 51,000
[3DS] Time Travelers (3 weeks) - 60,000
[PSP] Time Travelers (2 weeks) - 27,000
[3DS] Rune Factory 4 (2 weeks) - 90,000
[WII] Kirby 20th Anniversary Collection (2 weeks) - 115,000
[PS3] Persona 4: Arena - 125,000
[3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 (1 weeks) - 623,000
[3DS] Demon Training (1 weeks) - 37,000
[3DS] Little Battlers eXperience Explosive Boost (4 weeks) - 68,000
[3DS] Taiko Drum Master: Chibi Dragon (3 weeks) - 75,000
[PSV] Time Travelers (3 weeks) - 51,000
[3DS] Time Travelers (3 weeks) - 60,000
[PSP] Time Travelers (2 weeks) - 27,000
[3DS] Rune Factory 4 (2 weeks) - 90,000
[WII] Kirby 20th Anniversary Collection (2 weeks) - 115,000
[PS3] Persona 4: Arena - 125,000
[3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 (1 weeks) - 623,000
[3DS] Demon Training (1 weeks) - 37,000
If the purpose is to train your demons or train to become a better demon, like Brain Training trains your brain and English Training trains you to use English better, then, yeah! If not, then it's a horribly misleading title when translated to English.
BishopLamont
Banned
Well the new Dr.Kawashima IS a demon so....yeah. You're trained by a demon, and I think thats enough to justify calling the game Demon Training.If the purpose is to train your demons or train to become a better demon, like Brain Training trains your brain and English Training trains you to use English better, then, yeah! If not, then it's a horribly misleading title when translated to English.
If the purpose is to train your demons or train to become a better demon, like Brain Training trains your brain and English Training trains you to use English better, then, yeah! If not, then it's a horribly misleading title when translated to English.
Easy solution:
Use the other branding.
Call it "Big Demon Academy"
Release to coincide with Monsters U
Profit!
RO had sold 62k at retail a month or two ago.
Look at this lunchwithyuzo. I guess the game is now a success!
Look at this lunchwithyuzo. I guess the game is now a success!
test_account
XP-39C²
With a Best Price version, and holiday bump on top of that, i think the sales can get a noticeable increase indeed.
Yep, i think this would be smart move, to release a Best Price version in October or November.
What you (and other people) say about being a bridge title makes sense, so i agree that it isnt a bad move. I just wonder/think that MH4 could be a big enough title on its own to spark a lot of interest in the game. But as you say, we will never know this.
My first thought when reading this is: what is the point of telling me this? But my second though is that i could ask why, out of curiousity. I feel that my english is good enough, and i try to space out my paragraphs for easier reading. So what do you have problems with when you're reading my posts? Or do you mean that the questions i asked are too hard to answer, so it gave you a headache to think about the answers?
But if my posts give you a headache, i honestly suggest that you stop reading my posts or simply put me on your ignore list. I dont want to cause anyone problems, but i'm not going to stop posting, so put me on your ignore list or stop reading my posts are the only solutions i can give you, sorry.
Long time lurker here too, first Sales-age post, please be nice!
Probably 25k on psn? Good numbers for RO, it seems that psvita users still love monster hunter type games.
Probably 25k on psn? Good numbers for RO, it seems that psvita users still love monster hunter type games.
test_account
XP-39C²
I dont know about how much of the developement of TriG was done by who, but making titles like this is indeed a good way to get more technical experience developing for a specific hardware. With more experience like this, it could make the "main game" better, at least on a technical level (graphics etc.).
Yep, have spinoffs/bridge titles isnt a bad thing, i fully agree with that. I just wonder if huge games like MH4 could manage great sales on their own. But as you say, it isnt always easy to know the answer to this.
Yeah, i'm curious to see if a Best Price version could boost the sales much. The recent TriG sales are quite low, but the sales might pick up in the next months.
electroplankton
Banned
You must also consider that 3DS is the console after DS, which did not have any Monster Hunter title. Therefore, it was a smart move to set the ground for the next mainline title with a kind of cheap game, so to start the fanbase growing on that hardware.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
So was RE Mercenaries, to Tose. Eighting handling MH3G sort of betrays what Capcom was really planning for this game, it was a pure system warm up rather than an intended multimillion seller in it's own right. Eighting also did MHG Wii for comparison.
PSN saves the day again. I need to get used to this excuse before NSMB2/Onitore.Look at this lunchwithyuzo. I guess the game is now a success!
Well, probably a title to establish more and more the brand on 3DS would be a spinoff like Poka Poka Airu or another one absolutely new and with good production values...not the Puzzle Fighter one XD
electroplankton
Banned
That's called desperate milking over a dead platform.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I just realized PSO2 Vita and MH4 are planned for the same period (spring 2013). I wonder if Sega will move or just go for suicide?
PSN saves the day again. I need to get used to this excuse before NSMB2/Onitore.
It's not an excuse if gamers are actually buying things over PSN. It's a reality.
And I don't think Ragnarok was overshipped considering Gungho shipped 35k in the first week and now it's at 62k sold.
PSN sales seem to be higher than most of us thought.
PSO2 is free to play and might not even have a physical release (though, given Samurai & Dragons does it likely will). Why would they move?
test_account
XP-39C²
Personally i dont think that there is much of a platform diversity in the general public. I think that people buy the hardware because they think looks interesting, not because it is Microsoft, Nintendo or Sony branded. Obviously people do this as well, but i dont think that the general public care much about this as long as the hardware looks interesting.
I also think that tons of the PSP and DS owners own both systems as well.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
So you think they'll just pull a Scamco then? Launch alongside the genre king at watch as it kills their own sales?
michaelius
Banned
Hmm while we knew MH4 was going to be on 3DS the timing of big media blowout just a day after White Vita SKU is very interesting.
Looks like Capcom is taking directly hostile stance against Sony this time.
Looks like Capcom is taking directly hostile stance against Sony this time.
metalslimer
Member
What about the idea that it is better to transition a local coop multiplayer franchise before dropping a bomb on them? I agree something like Final Fantasy, Mario, or Pokemon doesn't need some kind of introduction to get people on the system but for a platform where playing with a bunch of people locally is important it is important that fanbase don't feel any need to stick around with the old thing.
Is this sarcasm? The whole Sony/Capcom feud conspiracy theory is kind of ludicrous if you ask me.
Is this sarcasm? The whole Sony/Capcom feud conspiracy theory is kind of ludicrous if you ask me.
It's free to play, do you think sales would be high if they launched in the middle of a time where there was no games? I don't. From what little figures we have it seems even Japan is connecting their Vitas to PSN, and I'm sure they'll do the same for a free PSO game.
test_account
XP-39C²
I doubt that. Capcom Fiesta (or what it was called) was planned for quite some time, and it was expected to see MH4 news there. So it probably just a coincidence that it fell on the same date as the release of white Vita.
MH4 is a new game, so it will start from scratch anyway in that regard. It still requires everyone to buy MH4 if they want to play MH4 against eachother.
Even with coop play, i think that the serie is such hugely popular that it could stand on its own legs without needing a bridge title. So many people have already played Monster Hunter, so they know what the game is about. But of course, bridge titles doesnt hurt.
test_account
XP-39C²
Double post, sorry.
I'd agree with that. I also think having transition titles are more important when you're switching platforms from one competitor to the other.
The combination of MH3G and MH4 being announced at the same time was a way of indicating just where the future of the franchise was. Nobody could mistake MH4 for some sort of one-off platform switch.
metalslimer
Member
I don't necessarily disagree, but your whole premise was launching 3G on the PSP which may have sent the wrong message to MH fans that PSP was still a MH platform going forward.
Do you have a source for this?
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
How did Samuari & Dragons do again? I don't think FTP is a magic bullet, especially not against a genre king as huge as Mohun. I'm not saying launch in a quiet period, I'm saying don't launch against the game whose audience was the only reason you ever exceeded 250k.
test_account
XP-39C²
I think that it was expected that MH4 (or MHP4) would not be on PSP. It would be really surprising to me if MH4 was a PSP game at least. It would have to do the switch to newer platform some time.
But yeah, that was the premise. That is exactly why Nintendo also announced MH4 at the same time as TriG. It was show that TriG was not just one game on the system, but that the next installment would also be there. They did something similar with Dragon Quest 9 and 10 too, although on different platforms (DS and Wii). I think Nintendo did a smart move by doing this. I'm just more wondering if MH4 could have the same success even without a bridge title like TriG. We will never know the answer to it, so it is just more about thinking out loud and speculating
We got updated Vita LTD numbers from Media-Create some weeks ago. They were posted on one of these threads.
PSO2 isn't PSP. PSP benefited from MH in that it used local multiplayer communities. PSO2 is an always online experience, and thus can't do that.
For what it's worth I don't actually think SEGA's going to launch within the same month as MH4. "Spring 2013" is pretty vague.
electroplankton
Banned
So, what's the point?
Why did not Capcom decide something that make totally no sense?
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
So basically, you think Sega will do the sensible thing and get the hell out of the way. Thanks for answering my question.
So basically, you think Sega will do the sensible thing and get the hell out of the way. Thanks for answering my question.
Spring 2012 is a vague release. I think PSO2 for Vita's probably further along than MH4 is.
test_account
XP-39C²
You mean the point of releasing 3rdG on PSP? To maximize sales. Same point of why Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 were released on DS and not moved to 3DS, eventhough that the DS havnt been much of an active platform for maybe the last ~1.5 years. Come to think of it, this is actually a very similar example. But i dont think that Nintendo is sending mixed messages because of this, and i dont think that many expect the next Pokemon games to be on DS.So, what's the point?
Why did not Capcom decide something that make totally no sense?
I edited my previous post a bit by the way. This is just me speculation/thinking out loud. It is not something that we will ever get the answer to.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Do you? I mean, it started development about a year later, albeit being just a downport.
I wonder if Capcom's targeting Golden Week?
michaelius
Banned
Well maybe but the timing of release for MH3 on 3DS and now MH4 news seem to be a bit too good for a coincidence.
Especially when you consider whole lineup of Capcom on PSV is 2 fightning games.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Capcom Summer Jam was dated before white Vita though. Maybe SCEI was trying to get back at Capcom for spoiling TGS and Vita launch for them?
electroplankton
Banned
I think that the point is the userbase, now. People do know next Pokémon generation will be on 3DS, so Nintendo can take the risk of developing a sequel of the previous generation on DS. People, instead, were not certain the next mainline Monster Hunter will happen on 3DS; indeed, when it was announced, nobody expected it, even though Monster Hunter 3G was known.
Developing another Monster Hunter on PSP might have given the idea that the follow-up would have been either on PSP or PSVita, without anything happening on 3DS.
These games are still playable on the system which will get the next main titles though - so you can't really compare the situations.
test_account
XP-39C²
TriG was coming out last holiday season, so the announcement in September/October made sense. I think that Nintendo is happy about it this, but i do think that the timing is more of a coincidence.
But even if it was planned, it is just business. I dont think that Capcom have any reason to hold any grudge against Sony. Only time will tell if Capcom have any further projects for the Vita other than fighting game ports.
I think it is unlikely that people thought MH4 would be on PSP, especially when 3DS and Vita have been on the market for a while. Just like i think it was unlikely that people thought that the next Pokemon game would be for DS when B&W 2 was announced. I dont think we knew where the next Pokemon game would be at this time?
But this comes back to my previous point that i dont think a bridge title is really that necessary for such a big game. If 3rdG was for PSP, then MH4 got announced for 3DS, i think both games would have sold amazing regardless. But a bridge title doesnt hurt of course.
Was TriG known before MH4 by the way? I thought that both games were announced at the same day.
Fair enough, but the comparison i made was more about where the next installment in the serie would be released. I dont think that B&W 2 on DS sent any mixed messages, resulting in that people though the next Pokemon game would be a DS game.
electroplankton
Banned
But between 3DS and Vita, the most obvious choice was Vita, and not 3DS, given the history of the franchise.
Why is it not necessary?
I mean: will Monster Hunter 3G hurt Monster Hunter 4 sales? No.
Is it profitable? Yes.
Did it set the ground for the main entry in the series? That's true as well.
I wonder why should Capcom have continued to exploit another old-gen platform when the next mainline entry would have not been there?
Were Dragon Quest remakes necessary on DS? I do think they did their work in bringing more userbase on the platform. And the same goes for Pokémon title on DS before Diamond and Pearl.
Monster Hunter 3G was revealed on Famitsu just a week before the announcement of Monster Hunter 4.
Before Tri G, sure.
test_account
XP-39C²
I agree, but i dont see why this matters much. If people buy a system based on their own believes of which games that will come, then it is their own choice and responsibility.
Because i think these games are such known and big that they would be able to support themself. People already know what the games are about.
The reason for using an old platform is to maximize sales. The PSP isnt completely dead. Not any less dead than what the DS was at the release of B&W 2.
The things you mention there are things that can have a positive effect. I always argreed to this. But i dont think that they are always very necessary to achieve great sales. Another example, do you think that New Super Mario Bros 2would have sold much less if it wasnt for Super Mario 3D Land?
By the way, just to clearify, i'm not saying that this is the best solution. It is just what i think could be a good solution (not that it really matter much at this point because TriG is already out on 3DS, but still). The reason why i asked to begin with is because i wanted to hear other people's thought on it =) I also asked to hear people's thought on how MH4 could potentially affect TriG's sales.
Ah ok, i didnt know that, thanks