Sure. I'm not suggesting otherwise, just clueing the guy in to the fact that sales threads have their own language.
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Media Create Sales: Week 34, 2014 (Aug 18 - Aug 24)
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Psycho_Mantis
Banned
My guesses:
RE R sold pretty badly for an RE spin off on 3DS. Capcom are aiming for the console audience since that is where the RE fanbase is and so the game is probably too powerful for any 3DS to handle.
WiiU is no surprise.
It's not like RE:R 3DS was an amazing success that grew the fanbase and now they are going to lose a significant amount of sales for not having the sequel on the system.
It sold well for a RE spinoff in Japan, but if they are developing the sequel as a multiplatform game (on five platforms) it makes sense to target higher end of specs and don't bother making an effort to port the game to the 3DS.
The Resident Evil userbase in Japan owns a PS3 already.
It sold well for a RE spinoff in Japan, but if they are developing the sequel as a multiplatform game (on five platforms) it makes sense to target higher end of specs and don't bother making an effort to port the game to the 3DS.
The Resident Evil userbase in Japan owns a PS3 already.
Talking about Japan since this conference is Japan specific and the new announcement basically irrelevant outside of Japan.
The most appalling thing was that during the conference Sony in many cases tried to fool the audience into thinking the games were PS4 exclusives. In general the cross-gen strategy isn´t great but obviously the only way to get PS4 support. The target audience will be nearly the same due to a large overlap between Sonys ecosystem, software sales will mostly just be splitted between more systems than before and therefore the amount of royalties could basically remain the same, depending if there are any incentives maybe even less. It will help selling systems but this strategy already just lead to mediocre results on PSV. The only really promising announcement was DQH but later we knew it was just a cross-gen title.
Talking about PSV, it´s actually ironic that while in the beginning the system was actually the one to benefit the most from this cross-gen stuff (PS3 beeing an old system while PSV the new toy for a while surely wasn´t detrimental), right now its lineup is actually losing some strength due to beeing multi with the new toy. First Tearaway for PS4 a few weeks ago and now games like Senran Kagura Estival, Ys and God Eater are on PS4 as well.
In general the PSV was really neglected in the conference, no noteworthy exclusive content, absolutely no reaction to its competitor and the sure-bets like another update of a Monster Hunter clone etc. even weakend due to ports to a newer shinier Sony system. Not really a great move since it actually is there top system right now and most likely also next year. Basically it seems like they threw the PSV under the bus in favour of PS4, with very little guarantee of actually beeing worth it in Japan. It´s unfortunate because if PSV gets even weaker in its sole lifesupporting market it won´t be pretty.
This is a sales thread, so we are talking about potential sales and it looks like there a nearly no heavy hitters on Vita. Please take note, i wrote nearly not nothing
But we know Vita don´t need them to be semi successful.
It's amazing how much this actually works. Two of my friends have said several times that they might get a PS4 for LBP3. They have no idea it's also on PS3 >.>
Nightengale
Member
Well, there's a reason companies continue to do this.
Sony will sell so, so, so many PS4s this month just on Destiny alone, which is not only cross-gen, it's not even exclusive.
The power of marketing.
Pennywise83
Banned
True. But do they care about Revelations formula? 3DS version sold around 300k; PS3 version around 200k. PS3 already showed how late portings could even outsell original versions (e.g. Tales of, Samurai Warriors), but it did not happen that time (Operation Raccoon City sold close to 300k instead).
Oh, I didn't want to be rude, sorry (I've read my post again)
Oh, I agree. But looking at how much the game sold on 3DS VS other platfroms, probably IF the port would have been easier, they could have tried it. Probably, developing for cross-gen, the 3DS could have needed too much of a rework in terms of programming. Otherwise I can't see them dropping it so easily considering the previous sales.
I agree that somehow Vita is weaker for the PS4 multiplatform announcement; this is the downside of the "ecosystem" concept we were talking about.
Let's say that it seems that Sony is trying to sustain the diversity between Japanese and Western markets trying to offer a unique "landscape" (for prgrammers and customers) accessible through various "form factors" (aka different platforms).
You know, this makes me realise Nintendo pretty much never do/get cross-gen games. Generally, ports go from console > handheld, but never cross-gen.
The only example I can think of is Twilight Princess, and that's probably only because architecture is pretty much the same between the GC and the Wii.
Nintendo tends to just switch everything to next-gen (or stick to old-gen, like they did with Pokémon Black 2... so in that case, I believe it was more them needing one last DS games because Game Freak was obviously not prepared for full 3D Pokémon on 3DS). And 3rd-party publishers aen't doing those either (then again, it IS a pretty recent phenomenom...).
The only example I can think of is Twilight Princess, and that's probably only because architecture is pretty much the same between the GC and the Wii.
Nintendo tends to just switch everything to next-gen (or stick to old-gen, like they did with Pokémon Black 2... so in that case, I believe it was more them needing one last DS games because Game Freak was obviously not prepared for full 3D Pokémon on 3DS). And 3rd-party publishers aen't doing those either (then again, it IS a pretty recent phenomenom...).
Pennywise83
Banned
Well, yeah, PS3, PS4 and Vita seem to be all part of a "family" of devices in Japan, receiving games that they share, but it doesn't still seem a complete "ecosystem". In the sense, retail games aren't a part of cross-buy initiatives, not even in one sense (like it was in late 2012 here in the West): you can't buy it on Vita and then, for free / for a little fee, you can play it on PS3/PS4 and you can't buy it on PS3/PS4 getting the Vita version for free (included in the price, higher than getting the Vita version). Also, the devices still fell "separated" and not being a "family" (for example, talking about sales, we deal with PS4, Vita, PS3, not with all of them being considered as a unique platform with several form factors).
That's why it's going to be interesting to see the NintendOS' approach implemented in next gen systems: while it shares features with the PS3/PS4/Vita multiplatformism, it sounds like it could be something even deeper, between NNID becoming the actual platform, device-agnostic and awarding most loyal customers. Something far nearer to Apple compared to what Sony's doing.
That's why it's going to be interesting to see the NintendOS' approach implemented in next gen systems: while it shares features with the PS3/PS4/Vita multiplatformism, it sounds like it could be something even deeper, between NNID becoming the actual platform, device-agnostic and awarding most loyal customers. Something far nearer to Apple compared to what Sony's doing.
Today God Eater 2 Rage Burst (Vita/PS4) and BladeStorm (PS4) have been announced for the end of the year.
GE2 is coming this year? That's great.
oh. Ok. (I wasn't asking the question to be snarky- I assumed there had to be something substantial Sony had worked up for this November/December)
Those other late ports had expanded content
RE:R didn't have anything of note.
It wouldn't be the first time they have nothing (see Vita 2012)
True, but RER was sold at least 20$/ cheaper than regular games (more at certain retailers). They certainly weren't sold full-price.
I have another question:
we saw with Skylander and Infinity that the interactive toys segment could be very interestig and profitable.
I thknk that Skylander launched in Japan, but with not-so-great numbers. This is probably due to the western soul of the project itself, isn't it?
Did Inifnity launched in Japan? Because I think that Disney is pretty popular over there too!
What do you think aboout amiibo? It is pretty clear that Ninetndo mascotes are popular in Japan, and the lack of a proper competition (unlike the West) could be a good thing for amiibos, but I also think that Nintendo is missing an opportunity to not build a proper dedicated software around those figures (a Skylander-like Mushroom Kingdom Hearts for 3DS would be a perfect fit probably),
we saw with Skylander and Infinity that the interactive toys segment could be very interestig and profitable.
I thknk that Skylander launched in Japan, but with not-so-great numbers. This is probably due to the western soul of the project itself, isn't it?
Did Inifnity launched in Japan? Because I think that Disney is pretty popular over there too!
What do you think aboout amiibo? It is pretty clear that Ninetndo mascotes are popular in Japan, and the lack of a proper competition (unlike the West) could be a good thing for amiibos, but I also think that Nintendo is missing an opportunity to not build a proper dedicated software around those figures (a Skylander-like Mushroom Kingdom Hearts for 3DS would be a perfect fit probably),
I still do not understand completely what the figures really do. Like much of what Nintendo is doing these days, their NFC solution seems confusing and convoluted.
Pennywise83
Banned
Disney Infinity was launched exclusively on 3DS and Wii U and bombed.
I still remember how, after last year's TGS pre-conference, PS4 had something like...I don't know...10 announcements for the following 10 months? And some of them were ports / from Koei Tecmo. Hopefully this time they didn't concentrate all the announcements in one place and then nothinf for months again. At least, this year's amount of PS4 games was much better than what we got last year, honestly.
Oh, so: is Japan not interest in interactive toys? I can't see amiibo doing great thing, if even Infinity bombed hard.
I agree. I think that Smash is a good way to introduce various IPs under the same umbrella "in time" (probably a dedicated software IS in development but still not ready), and the concept of a figurine being useful in various games is good (it adds value to the single statue), but up to now they are missing the unique cohesive title that could communicate the concept easily
Well, they can't possibly do any worse. Only thing worse than the past year would be to reach Wii U levels.
Which means 1 third-party title for the next 6 months... which hasn't even been officially confirmed (Taiko).
About Disney Infinity, probably more to do with how
Amiibo should be pretty successful as Nintendo is a powerful, its characters are pretty popular, and Nintendo will try to push them real hard... meanwhile, SC kinda just released DI in Japan and called it a day.
Pennywise83
Banned
Just wait and see when YW interactive toys will launch.
It was a Toys-R-Us exclusive so always was going to 'bomb'.
shinra-bansho
Member
You sure are optimistic about their ability to execute any form of cross-platform ecosystem creation, especially given the backdrop of generally non-industry standard execution of account systems/digital services/software features and functionality and the lack of partners to actually build the network effects of an ecosystem.
Nightengale
Member
The issue wasn't so much what transpires after, but that fact that practically every new PS4 game announced at the pre-conference got featured in this year's conference again as 2015 titles. ( and one even skipped, wtf? IM@S )
Gundam, Let It Die, EDF.
At least now for this conference, it seems like there's a healthy amount of desirable Japanese games that are coming out throughout the entire 2015 calendar year.
Sammy Samusu
Member
MH4U, PSN, GE2B and FFE.
Stay classy, Japan.
Stay classy, Japan.
Well, at least Let It Die is becoming more concrete (Lily ;_; ) and EDF is now officially announced. Gundam still is in such a premature state the only thing we've seen is a CG-20 seconds trailer, what the hell.
Completely forgot FFE. Let's see if the japanese will follow suit.
Nightengale
Member
That kyouto-game bubble, man.
At least there's a date/year now.
I liked how mostly everything announced at today's show has a targeted period that clearly states 2015, as opposed to announcements with no dates, which are the goddamn worst. (MinnaGolf has no date, Sony pls)
Well, Iwata used Apple's iOS and Google's Android as examples of how Nintendo consoles' relationships between each other should be. At least, in terms of filosophy behind the whole concept. Of course, the execution for next systems has yet to be seen, and we won't see it for quite some time, unfortunately. That's certainly the major concern in order to see if it'll work / it'll fail.
Yup
601. [WIU] Disney Infinity: Starter Pack <ADV> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.28} (¥7.980) - 6.873 / 6.873
785. [3DS] Disney Infinity: Starter Pack <TBL> (Bandai Namco Games) {2013.11.28} (¥6.980) - 4.182 / 4.182
From Media Create Top 1000 2013
Thoughts re: Sony's conference
This seals the fate of the Vita as the new saturn. It will top at 5-6M at best.
At this point, if Sony were investing on Vita in Japan, this would be the conference were bigger games would be announced and other games like DQ:W would be coming to the system (it's a musou game with a PS3 version, it can't get easier than that).
Also I think PS4 will be fine. It's getting all the big franchises, even if not exclusively and, in the end, the userbase will move there.
This seals the fate of the Vita as the new saturn. It will top at 5-6M at best.
At this point, if Sony were investing on Vita in Japan, this would be the conference were bigger games would be announced and other games like DQ:W would be coming to the system (it's a musou game with a PS3 version, it can't get easier than that).
Also I think PS4 will be fine. It's getting all the big franchises, even if not exclusively and, in the end, the userbase will move there.
Sammy Samusu
Member
a steamrolled mess
Sad because FF Hunter had potential, but not under a mobile sized budget. I believe it's also been rushed for a holiday release and we know how content is important for hunting games.
Will be interesting to watch.
You seem to have some inder info regarding FFE, care to share it?
About FFE, I really got no idea how it'll perform. It's got the FF name, but that doesn't mean success is guaranteed... especially since it'll be quite busy in December.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Pennywise83
Banned
I guess it's not fine if a software house "clone" its own games.
I basically agree, but I think the userbase that will make the move is even smaller this time around.
With fine I mean 8-9M and PS3-level of third party support.
Sounds about right, though along with the userbase I think the overall software ecosystem will shrink as well.
Comgnet Ranking:
Tsutaya Ranking:
Code:
1. [PSV] Toukiden Kiwami - 210Pt
2. [3DS] Yokai Watch 2 - 143pt
3. [PS3] Persona 4 Ultimax (Premium Edition) - 138pt
4. [3DS] Yokai Watch 2 - 121pt
5. [PS3] Persona 4 Ultimax (Normal Edition) - 74Pt
6. [PSV] Hyperdimension Neptunia U (Limited Edition) - 52pt
7. [PSP] Toukiden Kiwami - 46pt
8. [PSV] Hyperdimension Neptunia U (Normal Edition) - 40pt
9. [PS3] Super Robot Taisen OG Saga Masou machine God F COFFIN OF THE END (Limited Edition) - 39Pt
10. [PS3] Super Robot Taisen OG Saga Masou machine God F COFFIN OF THE END (Normal Edition) - 35Pt
11. [3DS] Medabots 8 Kabuto - 33pt
12. [PS4] The Last of Us Remastered - 32pt
13. [3DS] Medabots 8 Stag - 32pt
14. [PS3] Grand Theft Auto V - 31pt
15. [3DS] New Yoshi's Island - 21pt
16. [3DS] Dragon Ball Heroes Ultimate Mission 2 - 19pt
17. [PSV] Bullet Girls - 18pt
18. [3DS] The Adventures of space-time gurus Donto and Taiko - 18pt
19. [PSV] Rewrite - 17pt
20. [WIU] Mario Kart 8 - 16ptTsutaya Ranking:
Code:
1. [PSV] Toukiden Kiwami
2. [PS3] Persona 4 Ultimax (Premium Edition)
3. [3DS] Yokai Watch 2 Gold
4. [PS3] Persona 4 Ultimax (Normal Edition)
5. [3DS] Yokai Watch 2 Silver
6. [PS3] Super Robot Taisen OG Saga Masou machine God F COFFIN OF THE END
7. [PSP] Toukiden Kiwami
8. [3DS] Medabots 8 Kabuto
9. [PSV] Hyperdimension Neptunia U
10. [3DS] Medabots 8 Stag
11. [PSV] Love Live! School Idol Paradise Vol. 2 BiBi
12. [PS3] Diablo III Reaper of Seoul
13. [PS4] The Last of Us Remastered
14. [PS4] Diablo III Reaper of Seoul
15. [PSV] Bullet Girls
16. [WIU] Hyrule Warriors
17. [3DS] New Yoshi's Island
18. [PSV] Love Live! School Idol Paradise Vol. 1 Printemps
20. [WIU] Mario Kart 8
20. [PSV] Love Live! School Idol Paradise Vol. 3 Lily White