Devilgunman
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You've gone too far with that statement. MH wouldn't be what it is today if there was no PSP.
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Media Create Sales: Week 42, 2013 (Oct 14 - Oct 20)
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You've gone too far with that statement. MH wouldn't be what it is today if there was no PSP.
Ninty Legend
Member
Yeah, MH owes a lot of its recent success to handhelds. Having an opinion isn't going to change that fact.
It's the sort of position that ignores all economic realities. I suppose I too wish that every game I ever enjoyed was made with me exclusively in mind, but I don't know why Mileena stopped at consoles; why not go all the way and make them for very high end PCs? I mean, if his goal is only to produce the highest quality graphics with the best possible networking infrastructure, surely this bests consoles in every way.
Of course, I know that's not economically feasible, and the result of making such a Monster Hunter would be the end of Monster Hunter forever after as such a business model is unsustainable. But if we're just going to forget economics entirely and focus exclusively on what would produce the most graphically impressive, highest tech games, I'm always amused when people conclude by wanting the game on PS3 or Xbone or PS4. It suggests that their purpose isn't really the best graphics or best networking or whatever, it's just that they personally prefer consoles and would rather all games be made for them and not for handhelds or iOS or even PC.
metalslimer
Member
Completely agreed
Canis lupus
Member
Ouch Wii U, MH4 has them legs.
Aquamarine
Member
USA:
Wind Waker HD (North American eShop) (as of September 26th): 66,000
Wind Waker HD (USA retail, standalone + hardware bundle) (as of October 5th): 123,000 (good majority is hardware bundles)
Projecting the same optimistic eShop ratio onto Japanese sales:
Wind Waker HD (eShop): ~20,000
Wind Waker HD (Retail): ~41,102 (Japan) (As of October 13th)
In reality though, Japanese eShop sales are probably lower than that figure, because digital and retail versions were released on the same day, unlike the digital bonus that North America enjoyed.
But 20,000 Japanese eShop sales would probably be the maximum threshold for Wind Waker's success. So if I were to peg Wind Waker's total Japanese sales, it would be somewhere <61K.
Wind Waker HD (North American eShop) (as of September 26th): 66,000
Wind Waker HD (USA retail, standalone + hardware bundle) (as of October 5th): 123,000 (good majority is hardware bundles)
Projecting the same optimistic eShop ratio onto Japanese sales:
Wind Waker HD (eShop): ~20,000
Wind Waker HD (Retail): ~41,102 (Japan) (As of October 13th)
In reality though, Japanese eShop sales are probably lower than that figure, because digital and retail versions were released on the same day, unlike the digital bonus that North America enjoyed.
But 20,000 Japanese eShop sales would probably be the maximum threshold for Wind Waker's success. So if I were to peg Wind Waker's total Japanese sales, it would be somewhere <61K.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
I think the bundle week needs to sell >15k Wii Us and Mario 3D World week needs to sell >30k Wii Us or else I'd consider the system as honestly totally dead without chance for recovery in Japan, but I think it's very possible they'll break those numbers.
Well there's still the GE2 bundle people could be waiting for. But in terms of Vita going below 10,000 I can safely say that won't happen for a good long while. Of course I'm including the Vita TV, the Vita line looks to be pretty healthy. I predict Sony will drop the price of the Vita by 40-50 dollars or the equivalent of yin by April 2014. Just in time for SS
and PSO. By that time Tokiden 2 may be ready by the end of the year along with Freedom Wars. Sony set themselves up for turning this failure into some sort of success.
and PSO. By that time Tokiden 2 may be ready by the end of the year along with Freedom Wars. Sony set themselves up for turning this failure into some sort of success.Tearaway is a niche title not just for Japan but for every market out there.
airmangataosenai
Member
WTF @ people saying MH4 is tracking anywhere near MHP3? MHP3 was at 4 million on Media Create by this point. Yes, it will start tracking above it starting next week but the chasm between the two games is massive even with digital sales and the longer holiday.
Sony seems to love making niche titles then be surprised when they flop. Like when Shuhei Yoshida expressed sadness on Twitter about Puppeteer and Killzone Mercenary's performance in Japan. lol, as if they could legitimately expect big numbers from those in the region.
Sony can afford to drop the price of the Vita 2000, except that they won't - they are keeping the Vita price away from the PSVtv price in order to give the PSVtv a chance to sell. If they drop price 40-50 it would be around the same cost as PSVtv+controller. If you see that price drop, it means Sony gave up on PSVtv in Japan.
I never mentioned any numbers, but now that you mention 1 million, I think it would feasible for FFX/X-2 on both Vita and PS3 WW LTD.
Launch weeks for P4G (another PS2 port) was 137k+, (Vita exclusive) and for Dragon's Crown and the latest Sen no Kiseki (both available on Vita and PS3) was 71k+ and 81k+ on Vita respectively.
The FFX/X-2 Vita Twin Pack and PS3 disc are cheaper than any of those and come with two games, one of which happens to be one of the most popular main FF entries (port or not) among the japanese.
Wouldn't it be possible for FFX/X-2 to sell 200k on Vita (and more on PS3) on launch week based on the launches mentioned above? Or is that simply way too optimistic. Honest question.
Sad but true I have to admit. Especially for Tearaway, since Sony seems to be sending the game to die. The worst is that at least in the case of Tearaway, it looks like an amazing game.
I see. My bad.
I tried to understand what you wrote but I failed.
One more time, it's not coming to Vita.
Zzz.
Devilgunman
Member
If Vita can't net at least 200k in Nov with that kind of lineups I will call it an absolute failure, especially if Vita TV is included.
PS3 + Vita, it could do more
Reneledarker
Banned
It is still too early to tell. By January we are going to know if MH4 will be able to have the same success than MHP3.
MH4 needs to sell around 800k-1000K in December-first week of January if it hopes to get close or surpass MHP3.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Didnt the PSP have a bigger userbase at the point of MHP3's release?
Graphics Horse
Member
Hey Dave, you never posted in this week's PAL thread, I even bought a Vita and everything
I think it was 15.7 million or something around that.
The God of sales age has a poor attitude. He is the "Get off my lawn" kind of guy.
Really? A failure? After coming from the PSP that did not dominate and having it's "exclusives" striped from it, the Vita is basically at square one with customers. It has to prove that it's a worthy platform for customers and publishers alike. Sony has been setting up in-house exclusives to build it's reputation as a healthy platform so success will take time. I said it before and I'll say it again: It took time for MH to become the mega hit it is now, 4 years to be exact. The same thing applies to most things really so to expect immediate success especially coming from failure is a bit much.
You're Right. But maybe $170 then...
Sammy Samusu
Member
Monster Hunter 4 is doing fine and aiming for 4 million. #nobasiczone
Ah, sorry man. I'm away at the moment, only having a quick browse here 'n' there. Congrats on the Vita, hope you're enjoying it!Hey Dave, you never posted in this week's PAL thread, I even bought a Vita and everything
Man, sub-3k for the Wii U is brutal. To put how bad that is in perspective, if the X360 never sold another console in Japan and the Wii U continues to sell 3k a week, it will take 3.5 years for it to overtake the X360 in sales. That is pretty mind-boggling. I don't expect the upcoming NSMBU bundles to do more than a brief bump to 10-15k (if they're lucky). 3D World won't have much of an impact either, as home console 3D Mario traditionally sells poorly in Japan (e.g. SMG sold ~250K first week, while SMG2 sold ~340K, both on a much larger install base) and I'd reckon most people interested in home console Mario already bought a Wii U for NSMBU long ago.
Vita drop to 25k is a bit lower than I expected, but still far from the sub-10k doldrums. Next week will be interesting, but not as interesting as the month of November.
Vita drop to 25k is a bit lower than I expected, but still far from the sub-10k doldrums. Next week will be interesting, but not as interesting as the month of November.
bigmit3737
Member
So Vita will go down to 15k next week ? What do you guys think?
The Mana Legend
Banned
Now you're stretching.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Eh, PSP had more momentum at the end of it's life than the DS did. It was even handily kicking the ass of the 3DS during most of it's first year. So PsP having no momentum is completely false. The reason why the Vita had no momentum from the psp was simply due to Sony and they're significant screw ups. No physical backwards compatibility (which is pretty much what the vast majority of Japan dealt with) so they essentially competed against, hidden costs when obtaining the device, no MH whatsoever despite the fact it singlehanded saved the psp in Japan and the list goes on.
Yeah, because the Dreamcast wasn't as huge a failure initially as you'd think. It was more a failure because SEGA ran out of money to afford to keep it on the market.
Aquamarine
Member
Dreamcast LTD: 1.014 million
Dreamcast (past four weeks, post-price cut):
Week 43: 15,284
Week 44: 16,569
Week 45: 32,354
Week 46: 16,519
Wii U LTD: 1.081 million
Wii U (past four weeks, pre-bundle):
Week 43: 5,560
Week 44: 3,853
Week 45: 3,405
Week 46: 3,083
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Has no one seriously reworked the <X> Will Save PS3 chalkboard picture for the Wii U yet?
Aquamarine
Member
360 LTD: 248,000
360 (past four weeks)
Week 43: 1,039
Week 44: 2,016
Week 45: 1,632
Week 46: 1,266
The 360 could have done better had they had Game & Wario.
Ok so the WiiU isn't Xbox-in-Japan levels of failure yet, although the Xbox didn't have much in terms of games for that market. God help them if that number keeps dipping though. I wonder when Iwata concedes the CEO position.
God the Wii U is such a disaster. I wonder what Nintendo's plan out of this is? They need to eke a profit out of the Wii U then launch a new home console pronto or get out of the console business all together. I don't think they can leave a stinker like that on the market any longer than absolutely necessary.
