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[Gaborn]

you may like to note that all that announces is a new Monster Hunter - PS3 has also been the temporary home of a Monster Hunter game. Like i say, that user base doesn't get up to X level and if MH3 doesn't hit good sales and you can kiss goodbye to MH4 on 3DS (or, i guess, plan B is to have MH4 on Nintendo hardware and keep MH4Portable on Sony hardware. Which would make the most sense - clearly define both as different incompatible games and just sell to a broad audience)

I like how DCharlie seems to assume here that "if the 3DS doesn't get to a certain level" why, OBVIOUSLY the Vita will. Even if the 3DS has sluggish sales which, (at least in Japan since this is a media create thread and we ARE talking about THE Japanese franchise) has already not seemed to be the case recently, but even IF... what indication is there that the Vita will have a larger userbase at that point? I would LOVE to hear the month someone who BELIEVES the PSV will pass the 3DS expects it to happen. Hell, give me the YEAR and I'll be thrilled. Because I don't see it happening.

 

[madmaxx350]

I like how DCharlie seems to assume here that "if the 3DS doesn't get to a certain level" why, OBVIOUSLY the Vita will. Even if the 3DS has sluggish sales (which, at least in Japan since this is a media create thread and we ARE talking about THE Japanese franchise) has already not seemed to be the case recently, but even IF... what indication is there that the Vita will have a larger userbase at that point? I would LOVE to hear the month someone who BELIEVES the PSV will pass the 3DS expects it to happen. Hell, give me the YEAR and I'll be thrilled. Because I don't see it happening.

I'm pretty sure he insisted that he wanted the next game to be released on PSP not Vita.

 

[Gaborn]

I'm pretty sure he insisted that he wanted the next game to be released on PSP not Vita.

That makes even LESS sense. I would think Capcom would want their mainline franchises to be on the latest hardware generation. And I KNOW Sony would want that to give fans a reason to upgrade. And given a choice between Vita's userbase and 3DS's I think Capcom is making the right call. Seriously, it was the ONLY call for them.

 

[AdventureRacing]

It's hilariously bad timing that you just said this, as moments ago Monster Hunter: Dynamic Hunting was anounced as a GREE game for Android and iOS, haha. So now Monster Hunter will have appeared on PS2, PC, PSP, Wii, Random Japanese Cellphone, PS3, 3DS, Xbox 360, iOS, and Android.

So basically the Vita can look forward to getting a monster hunter spinoff at some point in its future? How many of those platforms were given a mainline MH game, as in a direct sequel? Because anything less than that will mean absolutely nothing.

I'm not saying the Vita won't get this but IOS and android getting some MH spinoff really doesn't mean much at all.

 

[madmaxx350]

That makes even LESS sense. I would think Capcom would want their mainline franchises to be on the latest hardware generation. And I KNOW Sony would want that to give fans a reason to upgrade. And given a choice between Vita's userbase and 3DS's I think Capcom is making the right call. Seriously, it was the ONLY call for them.

I don't know about that, if it was a question of userbase,and seeing the game is just an expansion(nothing worth getting a new platform for IMO, especially since you usually use your old save from the original game and start from there) of Tri the right call would be to release on the Wii for the original Tri Users or if they had to go portable the PSP would make more sense since the core of the Fans are probably there and the userbase is at least 3+x the 3ds.

Personally I think it was supposed to be a Wii G expansion that Nintendo had a say in making Capcom go the 3DS route.

 

[Father_Brain]

It's hilariously bad timing that you just said this, as moments ago Monster Hunter: Dynamic Hunting was anounced as a GREE game for Android and iOS, haha. So now Monster Hunter will have appeared on PS2, PC, PSP, Wii, Random Japanese Cellphone, PS3, 3DS, Xbox 360, iOS, and Android.

MHH was released months ago, and I don't think a low-budget Punch-Out-esque spinoff exactly does much to disprove charlequin's point.

 

[Takao]

So basically the Vita can look forward to getting a monster hunter spinoff at some point in its future? How many of those platforms were given a mainline MH game, as in a direct sequel? Because anything less than that will mean absolutely nothing.

I'm not saying the Vita won't get this but IOS and android getting some MH spinoff really doesn't mean much at all.

Well charlequin was talking about whoring the franchise out everywhere, and tonnes of spinoffs would count as whoring it out. You know, so does the yearly cycle that the Monster Hunter main games have taken now...

MHH was released months ago, and I don't think a low-budget Punch-Out-esque spinoff exactly does much to disprove charlequin's point.

But now on Android with GREE support! Totally (not very) different! However, it still is an example of whoring out MH everywhere...

 

[donny2112]

I imagine something, somewhere will replace Monster Hunter on the Vita.

No, nothing known is going to fill MHP's shoes on Vita, and to expect such a thing to happen is expecting lightning to strike twice in the same spot.

Obviously I can't tell you what. But if Sony pushes the hardware long enough, with decent games something's going to happen.

Not particularly likely on the scale of Monster Hunter on PSP, though.

Haha, seriously?
Oh my...
Charlie Charlie Charlie.

I don't think DCharlie actually cares. It seems more likely that he just wants to stir the pot and see what rises to the top. *shrugs*

But I'm confident that if the platform has a pulse for long enough, the audience will find something and cling onto it.

Well, they'd have to, unless they're just interested in the brand and don't care about the games. It'd have to provide some interesting games to keep going. Doesn't make what they'll cling onto automatically on the same level as MHP, though.

"Nintendo secures Final Fantasy XV through XX until 2045";

Ewww. Talk about latching onto a sinking ship.

I would think Capcom would want their mainline franchises to be on the latest hardware generation.

You would think wrong. See Wii (CCPro usage) and sharing assets with PSP. 3DS is at the similar level of those two. Capcom has taken large steps to avoid "uprezzing" MH and upping the costs along with it.

 

[AdventureRacing]

Well charlequin was talking about whoring the franchise out everywhere, and tonnes of spinoffs would count as whoring it out. You know, so does the yearly cycle that the Monster Hunter main games have taken now...

Yeah i just reread what he wrote. Still though if vita only gets an MH spinoff i can't see that really affecting anything.

 

[DCharlie]

That makes even LESS sense. I would think Capcom would want their mainline franchises to be on the latest hardware generation. And I KNOW Sony would want that to give fans a reason to upgrade. And given a choice between Vita's userbase and 3DS's I think Capcom is making the right call. Seriously, it was the ONLY call for them.

Huh? Vita plays PSP games - but thats besides the point.

What is missed is the assumption that Mh players are sitting around wanting an hardware upgrade. The 3ds game looks better than the PSP version , but it's not mindblowingly better than the PSP version.
Again - MH Is driven by *who* you play with. Unless your group buys in then it's not going to have the same draw. Mhp had some weird atars alligned magic about its momentum - just switching to either PSV or 3DS isn't a guarantee of sales. Again - i think this is the problem with the 3ds version - school kids an gangs who are already bought into to the PSP. Either the effect will be one person buying will push the others OR it'll be met with apathy.

Mh4 would/will be a whole different kettle of fish though.

And to clarify - i believe the PSP made more sense. If i had my way the next version i'd want would be on ps3/x360/vita based on the Dragon Dogma engine

 

[jeremy1456]

I think Capcom is (wisely) waiting to see Vita's performance.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Meanwhile, DQX is just a terrible franchise/platform/audience mismatch.

So Ni No Kuni all over again?

I think the issue is more the direction the game itself is taking (fee based MMORPG), franchise/platform/audience doesn't seem bad at all. Mainstream game on the console where mainstream games can actually sell, what's the problem?

 

[BurntPork]

And to clarify - i believe the PSP made more sense. If i had my way the next version i'd want would be on ps3/x360/vita based on the Dragon Dogma engine

Why not PC and Wii U?

 

[madmaxx350]

I think Capcom is (wisely) waiting to see Vita's performance.for a big SCE paycheck

Fixed.

 

[Kagari]

Fixed.

They got one last night for 4 million yen! lol

 

[Jonnyram]

DCharlie is hitting them out of the park today.

MH's success on PSP was purely down to social acceptance & peer pressure. It was massive in middle schools and high schools. Many games have tried to capture that crowd since, but they've all fallen far of the mark. God Eater is probably the closest.

But even then, it's a question of whether this formula will last, even if we just stick to the same platform. To some extent, we can assume the formula is a good one and should remain popular in the short term, because 3rd sold even better than the previous installment, but that's still reliant on that particular age group accepting the hardware en masse.

 

[madmaxx350]

They got one last night for 4 million yen! lol

That was for the PSP version which will come out sometime next year, a Vita version is about 1.5-2x that

 

[Takao]

I think Capcom is (wisely) waiting to see Vita's performance.

Their actions point to the exact opposite. They've already made up their mind.

A company who had their amount of success on PSP shouldn't be waiting to see success from Vita, while announcing much greater support to the (then struggling) successor to a platform they didn't have nearly as big a success on.

 

[thestopsign]

I think in a way DCharlie is correct. I don't think the 3DS will be able to pick up that whole Monster Hunter audience that was on the PSP. I do think it will pick up a lot more than he is implying and it will also pick up some interested Nintendo gamers which will bridge the gap a bit. Predicting 800k is just hard to believe. The drop offs he used earlier in this thread don't take into account the holiday period at all.

 

[madmaxx350]

I think in a way DCharlie is correct. I don't think the 3DS will be able to pick up that whole Monster Hunter audience that was on the PSP. I do think it will pick up a lot more than he is implying and it will also pick up some interested Nintendo gamers which will bridge the gap a bit. Predicting 800k is just hard to believe. The drop offs he used earlier in this thread don't take into account the holiday period at all.

He has a point but the game will do better than 800k by february.

 

[cvxfreak]

If the series declines in popularity, it's not because the 3DS and Nintendo will have failed it and Sony is some godsend to Capcom's gaming properties.

The environment for putting MH on the 3DS doesn't get anymore ideal than this.

 

[Boney]

One of the biggest differences is that 3DS is cheaper than the current PSP while the Vita is significantly more expensive. That really allow both 3DS and MH to reach to people who really aren't invested in games but like playing MH because of the afterschool parties or what not.

 

[cvxfreak]

One of the biggest differences is that 3DS is cheaper than the current PSP while the Vita is significantly more expensive. That really allow both 3DS and MH to reach to people who really aren't invested in games but like playing MH because of the afterschool parties or what not.

I will be clear: I don't expect the Vita to be very successful for the first 2 years. SCE has brought nothing new to the table that has convinced me that they could stay relevant.

The 3DS has the same problem, but at least Nintendo's stuff actually sells.

 

[DCharlie]

He has a point but the game will do better than 800k by february.

well, that all depends on how conservative Capcom go and how those first few weeks of sales go.

We know week 1 has an upper limit of 420k for a kick off, so it's not going to be WTFFF of MH3rdP's 2.6m in 2 weeks.

 

[watershed]

Also it seems like a big reason Capcom put MHTriG on the 3ds and is chum with Nintendo in general, besides money hats, is the opportunity to grow their franchises outside of Japan. Nintendo has proven with DQ and MHTri that they will work with 3rd parties and use a lot of money to help advertise a game and grow a brand. So MHTriG's success will probably be measured by more than its Japanese sales though I'm sure it will be success in Japan as well.

 

[Jonnyram]

The environment for putting MH on the 3DS doesn't get anymore ideal than this.

How does that explain the Frankenstick and lack of online?

 

[DCharlie]

The environment for putting MH on the 3DS doesn't get anymore ideal than this.

If the series declines in popularity, it's not because the 3DS and Nintendo will have failed it and Sony is some godsend to Capcom's gaming properties.

lol - so - lets get this straight. Conditions are perfect apparently but if people don't buy it it's because the series has declined and nothing to do with the decission to go 3ds?

The PSP had some X factor - i'm not crediting Sony. IT was just some random fluke mass event. It just -happened- just -so-

But the pre-emptive "well if it doesn't sell, it's the series not Capcom/3ds's fault because conditions are perfect" ? Come on man....

One of the biggest differences is that 3DS is cheaper than the current PSP while the Vita is significantly more expensive. That really allow both 3DS and MH to reach to people who really aren't invested in games but like playing MH because of the afterschool parties or what not.

with close to 5m sales of MH3rdP i'm going to go out on a limb and say that people who like playing Monster Hunter already own a PSP. Buying a 3DS -DOES NOT- get them into that after school club - but you're getting to my line of thinking. The platform switch isn't a great idea - not without it being a significant release (MH4)

 

[Erethian]

Also it seems like a big reason Capcom put MHTriG on the 3ds and is chum with Nintendo in general, besides money hats, is the opportunity to grow their franchises outside of Japan. Nintendo has proven with DQ and MHTri that they will work with 3rd parties and use a lot of money to help advertise a game and grow a brand. So MHTriG's success will probably be measured by more than its Japanese sales though I'm sure it will be success in Japan as well.

I'm sure Nintendo is reminding third-parties every chance they get of the sales fragmentation of the PSP, which ended up killing any plans Japanese devs might have to sell their games to a worldwide market. Without resorting to porting to other platforms.

It's why the next big Kingdom Hearts is on 3DS. And partly because a crappy spin-off sold more than BBS outside Japan, though I guess that goes back to the whole sales fragmentation thing.

 

[cvxfreak]

How does that explain the Frankenstick and lack of online?

Because they have nothing to do each other. The PSP had no Frankenstick or online either.

lol - so - lets get this straight. Conditions are perfect apparently but if people don't buy it it's because the series has declined and nothing to do with the decission to go 3ds?

The PSP had some X factor - i'm not crediting Sony. IT was just some random fluke mass event. It just -happened- just -so-

But the pre-emptive "well if it doesn't sell, it's the series not Capcom/3ds's fault because conditions are perfect" ? Come on man....

What do you want Capcom to do? Release it next summer? lol.

 

[DCharlie]

What do you want Capcom to do? Release it next summer? lol.

already said what they should do if they wanted to sell units - release it on PSP for this xmas.

It was slamdunk simple, there's no reason to put it on 3DS or Vita right now.

It doens't get any more "perfect condition" that releasing a new iteration of your game that sold a feckton to a set of people who don't have to go and buy new hardware and probably haven't been overly inundated with new games to play.

Worry about 3DS/Vita or whatever when the userbase grows.

 

[Jonnyram]

Because they have nothing to do each other. The PSP had no Frankenstick or online either.

Online was in place (ad-hoc Party) by the time 3rd launched. And the Frankenstick bundle represents a large chunk of the initial shipment.
If you weren't talking about the hardware itself, what did you mean when you said the environment is ideal? Because a 2.7M install base doesn't sound like ideal either.

 

[NateDrake]

I will be clear: I don't expect the Vita to be very successful for the first 2 years. SCE has brought nothing new to the table that has convinced me that they could stay relevant.

The 3DS has the same problem, but at least Nintendo's stuff actually sells.

Considering the way PS3 software sells worldwide, or I should say Sony PS3 titles, Vita will do the same thing. It'll do well in North America/Europe but Japan it may hit rough spots. Too many Sony Vita games are just portable titles of PS3 games that have failed to achieve mass sales.

Why will Killzone Vita, Resistance Vita, or even Uncharted Golden Abyss be massive hardware sellers when they aren't sale juggernauts on PS3? Thankfully Vita has Gravity Daze and that is enough to make me happy.

 

[cvxfreak]

Online was in place (ad-hoc Party) by the time 3rd launched. And the Frankenstick bundle represents a large chunk of the initial shipment.
If you weren't talking about the hardware itself, what did you mean when you said the environment is ideal? Because a 2.7M install base doesn't sound like ideal either.

That's why we're getting MH3G instead of MH4 this month.

 

[cw_sasuke]

The upcoming weeks will be funny, there are still
many Gaffers who want the 3DS to fail ...it will be interesting to see how Tri G performs, even if it sells 2 million their would be people who would think it would have sold better on a 25K Yen device with a userbase of 0.

No matter how TriG performs - I'm happy that it'll at least be in Europe via. Nintendo, even though it isn't official yet. Summer 12 can't come soon enough.

 

[Man God]

The audience for MH was on the PS2, why would they ever move on from that gigantic audience?

The plan should have been MH 3G PS2 this Christmas.

 

[DCharlie]

The upcoming weeks will be funny, there are still
many Gaffers who want the 3DS to fail ...it will be interesting to see how Tri G performs, even if it sells 2 million their would be people who would think it would have sold better on a 25K Yen device with a userbase of 0.

No matter how TriG performs - I'm happy that it'll at least be in Europe via. Nintendo, even though it isn't official yet. Summer 12 can't come soon enough.

I'm not in the 3ds fail group, or the vita mh at launch group.

 

[madmaxx350]

The upcoming weeks will be funny, there are still
many Gaffers who want the 3DS to fail ...it will be interesting to see how Tri G performs, even if it sells 2 million their would be people who would think it would have sold better on a 25K Yen device with a userbase of 0.

No matter how TriG performs - I'm happy that it'll at least be in Europe via. Nintendo, even though it isn't official yet. Summer 12 can't come soon enough.

I really don't see where you got that part from the Past couple pages, all I see is one guy making a case that TriG would have been better on the PSP and a lot of people disagreeing with him.

The audience for MH was on the PS2, why would they ever move on from that gigantic audience?

The plan should have been MH 3G PS2 this Christmas.

You point, w/e it is, would stand if any of the PS2 iteration of the series sold 4 million+.

I'm not in the 3ds fail group, or the vita mh at launch group.

I really don't see where he got that from...

 

[DCharlie]

I really don't see where he got that from...

i'm quite the wee 3DS fanboy on the sly

I really don't see where he got that from...

The plan should have been MH 3G PS2 this Christmas.

funnily enough, i'm pretty sure i moaned and moaned and moaned about MH3rd being on PSP and not on consoles.

 

[cw_sasuke]

Tri G is on 3DS because they are building a MH Fanbase on a next Generation System. No matter how suceessful your ip is, once the new gen rolls in you have to decide which plans are the best for it long-term.

Even on DS they put out many Spin-Offs and Remakes before releasing DQ9, it's always better to build up the fanbase with some titles before putting out the next main game, even if it's as big a MH.

Capcom has all their big IPs on 3DS and continues to get support from Nintendo for its western releases - MH on 3DS isnt really surprising
, especially not Tri G.

 

[Takao]

funnily enough, i'm pretty sure i moaned and moaned and moaned about MH3rd being on PSP and not on consoles.

Then I imagine Monster Hunter 4 being on a handheld makes you ecstatic.

 

[DCharlie]

again, i see what the plan is - i just don't see why they'd decide to not take a final huge pay off from a PSP version.


*ponder* if it's going over to the west, i wonder if 8-4 are involved again?

Then I imagine Monster Hunter 4 being on a handheld makes you ecstatic.

i've change my whole outlook really. due to having a kid it's difficult to sit and play games when my son is around. So i'm moving rapidly towards portable gaming and playing during commutes - so MH4 on a handheld is fine with me. I -still- day dream of a MH on consoles that looks like Dragon Dogma, but the reality is gaming-on-the-go is way more likely for me.

 

[waicol]

I really don't see where you got that part from the Past couple pages, all I see is one guy making a case that TriG would have been better on the PSP and a lot of people disagreeing with him.

Any person should know that capcom based tri on nintendo hardware, hence MH3G. Also, can the psp run the Wii game?, or mt framework?, i guess you know the answer.

 

[Takao]

Any person should know that capcom based tri on nintendo hardware, hence MH3G. Also, can the psp run the Wii game?, or mt framework?, i guess you know the answer.

I was under the impression that one of the reasons Capcom chose Wii for Tri was that it was easier to transfer content to PSP, than a PS3 game... There are assets from Tri in Portable 3rd IIRC.

 

[Jonnyram]

That's why we're getting MH3G instead of MH4 this month.

And that's why I'm done here.

*You* (and others) are the one saying MH3G is gonna sell 1m+ and do wonders for the 3DS, yet here you are with your back out clause of "oh, it's not the real deal anyway". Make a decision and stick with it. I'm not talking about MH4, and I don't think anyone else was until you mentioned it right now.

 

[waicol]

Certainly, but wasn't this game coming to Wii first?, but Nintendo pushed it to be on 3ds. That pretty much settles that in no way in hell "this" game was coming to psp, or coulda.

 

[watershed]

And that's why I'm done here.

*You* (and others) are the one saying MH3G is gonna sell 1m+ and do wonders for the 3DS, yet here you are with your back out clause of "oh, it's not the real deal anyway". Make a decision and stick with it. I'm not talking about MH4, and I don't think anyone else was until you mentioned it right now.

Doesn't it make sense for Capcom to have a multi-stage strategy for MH on the 3ds? TriG was made fairly quickly and I'm assuming cheaply because of the re-used assets to start attracting MH gamers and new gamers to the MH series on a new platform while MH4 is in the cooker. I think MHTriG will do 1mil LTD but its probably more about growing the brand (tapping into traditional Nintendo consumers and selling outside Japan) so it can be used as a lead-in and or measuring stick for MH4 in the future.

 

[Takao]

Certainly, but wasn't this game coming to Wii first?, but Nintendo pushed it to be on 3ds. That pretty much settles that in no way in hell "this" game was coming to psp, or coulda.

Well, not necessarily Tri G, but it is weird there isn't a Portable 3rd G. Who knows, maybe there will be, maybe there won't be.

 

[madmaxx350]

Doesn't it make sense for Capcom to have a multi-stage strategy for MH on the 3ds? TriG was made fairly quickly and I'm assuming cheaply because of the re-used assets to start attracting MH gamers and new gamers to the MH series on a new platform while MH4 is in the cooker. I think MHTriG will do 1mil LTD but its probably more about growing the brand (tapping into traditional Nintendo consumers and selling outside Japan) so it can be used as a lead-in and or measuring stick for MH4 in the future.

This I agree with.

 

[Erethian]

Certainly, but wasn't this game coming to Wii first?, but Nintendo pushed it to be on 3ds. That pretty much settles that in no way in hell "this" game was coming to psp, or coulda.

There was no guarantee it was going to be made at all, actually.

And in the Iwata Asks they talk about working on this and MH4 simultaneously, so it's quite obviously a situation where MH4 for 3DS was decided first, then they decided to do a G version of MH3/Tri to help build the userbase. Which makes a whole heap of sense.

 

[cvxfreak]

And that's why I'm done here.

*You* (and others) are the one saying MH3G is gonna sell 1m+ and do wonders for the 3DS, yet here you are with your back out clause of "oh, it's not the real deal anyway". Make a decision and stick with it. I'm not talking about MH4, and I don't think anyone else was until you mentioned it right now.

I said it's not the real deal? Where? If you think MH3G is going to be anywhere near as important as MH4, then you're deluding yourself. Believing MH3G will do wonders for the 3DS and knowing where it stands in the grand scheme of things are not mutually exclusive.

I suppose you believed DQIV's DS remake was just as important as DQIX, right? See, I can put words in people's mouths too!