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[Arsic]

There are mechanical differences like the lack of any key items and doors/switches to interact with. In both Sigma and "Black" you are also incapable of doing Rods of Trial challenges, throwing explosive kunai, throwing a giant windmill shuriken, or charging arrows to do major damage. You are also forced to play as a poorly implemented Momji and Rachel (relative to NGS and NG3RE) through retreads of Ryu sections which waste your time and break pacing.

None of what you are saying is wrong. I would wager that those versions have a lot of great things that are not in black.

However, the stance that this version or sigma are completely unplayable donkey shit that should be thrown into a volcano is completely wrong.

All versions are good There’s nothing we can do when the source code is lost.

 

[NeverYouMind]

None of what you are saying is wrong. I would wager that those versions have a lot of great things that are not in black.

However, the stance that this version or sigma are completely unplayable donkey shit that should be thrown into a volcano is completely wrong.

All versions are good There’s nothing we can do when the source code is lost.

I agree. If you never played the original version there would be nothing to take issue with. However, given the choice there are shortcomings in the Sigma-based versions that have never been addressed by the developers and the task of bridging the two versions together has been left to modders.

 

[benzy]

 

[Neff]

I've had NGII in my Xbox wish list for over 2 years and it's never dropped in price. I'm thinking I might just pull the trigger.

 

[RedC]

I've had NGII in my Xbox wish list for over 2 years and it's never dropped in price. I'm thinking I might just pull the trigger.

 

[cireza]

God I fucking hate this engine.

Please look at this magnificent entirely white texture while I actually realize that the point of view has changed and I start displaying the actual texture. This shit has plagued Unreal games for years, and you still get some of this here.

And WTF was wrong with the hair of the girl in the very first cut-scene ?

Not a fan of the visual bloat, but I guess this is how it is nowadays. Intense shadows and lighting, tons of reflecting surfaces and added effects make the game much more difficult to clearly see.

Otherwise, first stage was fun. I find the character a bit heavy, clearly not as responsive as Razor's Edge though.

 

[FeralEcho]

You can still play it. In 4K 60 too!

Buy NINJA GAIDEN II | Xbox

This long-awaited sequel to the best-selling Xbox action game pits legendary ninja Ryu Hayabusa against hordes of malicious enemies as he sets out on a journey that will determine the fate of the human race. With an assortment of new weapons, moves, enemies, and locations, Ninja Gaiden II...

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The OG is so good,one of the main reasons I got a 360 initially and a Series console this gen.

 

[AFBT88]

They lied to us and sold us Sigma again.

I’m not completely mad because the game is still better than any other action game.

But if you want to play the real NGII, you’re going to need to buy an Xbox.

There is no "real" or "fake" NGII, it's only in your heads.

 

[ManaByte]

There is no "real" or "fake" NGII, it's only in your heads.

The real NG2 is the original Xbox 360 version.

Sigma is an inferior port without Big Dick Itagaki involved.

 

[Timberwolf25]

The real NG2 is the original Xbox 360 version.

Sigma is an inferior port without Big Dick Itagaki involved.

Itagaki really was a genius of that time.

 

[AFBT88]

The real NG2 is the original Xbox 360 version.

Sigma is an inferior port without Big Dick Itagaki involved.

Again, it's in your head. If you think the OG is the "real" one, good for you. Don't try to push it as a fact. For me the better visuals far outweights some negative gameplay changes. For you it's the other way.

 

[Caffeine]

I think the only thing that kinda irks me and it might just be my brain going where the fuck are all the lights

 

[Arsic]

Itagaki really was a genius of that time.

Honestly if someone like Miyamoto left Nintendo do you really think he wouldn’t make a new banger game?

Itagaki left to make turds.

I don’t think he had jack shit to really do with how the originals turned out. Most games that we look back on as amazing and timeless classics that can be played even today often fall to just a lot of luck colliding together.

Diablo 2 is my favorite game of all time and yet the new game leads who worked on this are working on now looks quite “meh.” I’m able to admit the reason that game is crack to this day is again, blind luck colliding.

 

[DeVeAn]

Man, the original on 360 was BRUTAL. So far this version is much easier. Feels like a mash of OG/Sigma 2 for me.

 

[Timberwolf25]

Honestly if someone like Miyamoto left Nintendo do you really think he wouldn’t make a new banger game?

Itagaki left to make turds.

I don’t think he had jack shit to really do with how the originals turned out. Most games that we look back on as amazing and timeless classics that can be played even today often fall to just a lot of luck colliding together.

Diablo 2 is my favorite game of all time and yet the new game leads who worked on this are working on now looks quite “meh.” I’m able to admit the reason that game is crack to this day is again, blind luck colliding.

There are many creatives that have had 1 and done type or a couple of hits where they never surpassed their earlier work. Doesn't discount the fact that DOA and Ninja Gaiden was made at his direction.
The fact that we are getting a remake/remaster of his original work and that the very company, Team Ninja, was founded based on his team doesn't change that.

Every follow up to his original work, from the Sigma versions to NG3, have all compared poorly to his versions by most people that have played them.

Miyamoto really is a superlative talent that continues to create bangers, so a lot credit to him. He is unique in the gaming world.

 

[DeVeAn]

I gotta say I'm way more excited than I expected to be for this. Thinking about how I wanna play this after work ASAP.

 

[FreeY$L]

Just beat the game, this is definitely better than OG NG2 imo, enemy count is almost the same (give or take one less enemy in every encounter), on mentor its absolutely harder than the OG.

 

[ChoosableOne]

I think I should've played this game before playing any souls games or dmc. I'm tired of dealing with the camera and trying to hit enemies.

 

[M1987]

The camera is a mess

 

[kevboard]

The camera is a mess

welcome to Ninja Gaiden

be happy it's not vanilla Ninja Gaiden 1

 

[R6Rider]

So knowing almost nothing about Ninja Gaiden, but knowing that the majority of the fanbase agrees that OG 2 is better than Sigma 2....how does this compare?

Also, it's odd how they went OG > Black > Sigma with the first game and now with 2 it's OG > Sigma > Black.

 

[MazingerDUDE]

It's just amazing to see how added gore effect makes this game harder and to have more enemies on screen

when everything is actually identical to the 'inferior' Sigma version

And it's just sad to imagine that these are the same people

who would tell everyone how OG NG2 is better than Sigma 2

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

It's just amazing to see how added gore effect makes this game harder and to have more enemies on screen

when everything is actually identical to the 'inferior' Sigma version

And it's just sad to image that these are the same people

who would tell everyone how OG NG2 is better than Sigma 2

What is this paragraph format? Are you writing a haiku?

 

[Sintoid]

Is it me or this game look now less colored than the original one (at least in this game section)

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Also, it's odd how they went OG > Black > Sigma with the first game and now with 2 it's OG > Sigma > Black.

"sigma" only happened because microsoft owns the publishing rights to "ninja gaiden 2"; it was a loophole.

 

[MazingerDUDE]

What is this paragraph format? Are you writing a haiku?

OG NG2 and Sigma 2 are vastly different in game play, but added gore makes people think they're the same, and that's sad.

 

[MMaRsu]

''At first it was easier,but when the testers said ''this is too difficult', I made it even more difficult.''-Itagaki

 

[Timberwolf25]

''At first it was easier,but when the testers said ''this is too difficult', I made it even more difficult.''-Itagaki

Love that quote from him

 

[MMaRsu]

All in all. I have never played Sigma because I read about the changes and then the gore removal, I was like lol I aint playing this shit.

Ill play this tho, it looks cool. But it's def worse than normal II, I can already tell a few stages in.

Which is sad, I guess we'll have to wait for modders to fix things. But how are you going to fix changes to the level and having no bow Ult?

I love charging the bow in the original, it's pretty satisfying. And I want the tests of Valor.

 

[Fbh]

Is it me or this game look now less colored than the original one (at least in this game section)

OG has a warmer and brighter look, but I wouldn't necessarily call it more colored.
Still, while the remake looks better in some places I actually think this video is a good example of how a more realistic art direction with higher quality assets doesn't always look better. That first shot in particular IMO looks way better with the more stylized glowing cherry trees vs the more realistic and higher quality looking ones in the remake.

 

[MazingerDUDE]

These are same chapters and as you can see they are entirely different game.

NG2 Black has just added gore to Sigma 2 and people feel it's the same as OG NG2

 

[Arsic]

The camera is a mess

Not really.

Set the horizontal sensitivity to 10. Make use of R1 to put it behind you. 0 issues.

 

[TheShocker]

Just uninstalled the Gamepass version and bought the Steam version. Well worth it imo. Microsft/Xbox needs to get their shit together for PC releases. It controls and performs way better.

 

[RedC]

These are same chapters and as you can see they are entirely different game.

NG2 Black has just added gore to Sigma 2 and people feel it's the same as OG NG2

Yeah, I saw a youtuber comment that a more accurate title for this game should've been Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 Black

 

[Alexios]

None of what you are saying is wrong. I would wager that those versions have a lot of great things that are not in black.

However, the stance that this version or sigma are completely unplayable donkey shit that should be thrown into a volcano is completely wrong.

All versions are good There’s nothing we can do when the source code is lost.

NG 1 & 2 (any), DMC 1, 3, 4 & 5, all the Bayonettas, are miles ahead of stuff like Stellar Blade people lap up but somehow froth with hatred for true greats because they're not the one character action game to top them all (which is subjective), hence the genre's decay and publishers' neglect of it

 

[Giallo Corsa]

After 1 day of owning and playing it...these are some of the worst 50 euros I've ever spent on a game.

Maybe there's some new enemy placements here and there but, for all intents and purposes this is Sigma 2 with gore using UE5 and...that's pretty much it, a quick and dirty® "remake" that doesn't deserve the "Black"subtitle since it adds absolutely nothing new and the few things that could have been added aren't there...

- No score at the end of each chapter (why?)

- No timed encounter challenges : on OG and even Sigma 2 (I think) you could have either the combo counter displayed or the encounter timer which would reward you with extra essence if you managed to complete it under the specific time.

- No tests of valour like in Sigma 2, WHY ?

- Enemy redesigns like the Dogs, why are they now just...plain ol' Akitas ? The ninja dogs were way cooler.

- Werewolves don't throw body parts

- Maybe I'm wrong or crazy but landing essence UTs don't reward you with extra multiplied essence ?

- Empty upon empty upon empty hallways...where the fuck are the enemies ?

- Graphics/environments which thanks to UE5 feel even more sterile and generic, Christ, some parts feel like they're straight up lifted from an UE library or some shit, absolutely soulless and lazy stuff...

- No photo mode...in 2025

Fucking hell, I know I should have waited but the hype got the better of me - and it's not because i'm a "purist", it's just that this game looks, feels and plays like a quick cash grab from the moment it could have been so much more, it's completely undeserving of the "Black" monicker and its MSRP, this should have been 30 Eurodollars TOPS or, just a subscription service title, the 50 Eurodollars pricetag is a friggin' joke for what it does and offers and personally, I utterly regret buying it, i could have spent some extra money and actually get - say - DW Origins which is a proper good game apparently.

If you're a fan of the franchise and you don't have Game pass as to play it for "free"...just stay away, it doesn't look that much better, it doesn't offer anything new and the few things that could have been added from OG NG2 aren't there.

This remake is pure marketing bullshit preying on the unsuspected, starved fans (like myself).
What an unneeded, worthless and ugly entry to the franchise, 5/10 and that's being generous

 

[hououinkyouma00]

I’m borrowing my friends Series S right now to play Gears again, and I figured I’d try it.

This game looks like shit on the Series S.

 

[Timberwolf25]

I’m borrowing my friends Series S right now to play Gears again, and I figured I’d try it.

This game looks like shit on the Series S.

Make sure in the settings, that you have 60 fps and not 120 fps (if that is an option). Even on the SX/PS5, this supposedly makes a big difference in the look of the game.

 

[Murder187]

I’m borrowing my friends Series S right now to play Gears again, and I figured I’d try it.

This game looks like shit on the Series S.

Make sure to download playing on cloud looks bad

 

[UnrealEck]

Any censorship in this game? I played NGB on Xbox years ago and remember enjoying it.

 

[Timberwolf25]

Any censorship in this game? I played NGB on Xbox years ago and remember enjoying it.

Not from what I've played so far. All the gore and jiggly bouncies seem to be intact.
If anything, it's more bloody than the OG, but probably due to having better hardware to play it with

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Somebody mentioned in one of the threads that Rachel's balloon tits got a reduction. I have no idea if that's accurate, though.

 

[Madflavor]

Somebody mentioned in one of the threads that Rachel's balloon tits got a reduction. I have no idea if that's accurate, though.

 

[Herbspiceguy]

Somebody mentioned in one of the threads that Rachel's balloon tits got a reduction. I have no idea if that's accurate, though.

I'm watching a stream of the game. As someone who didn't play the modern NG games, I can't compare, but two of the things that stood out are the well (maybe a bit overdone, because I had to chuckle) proportioned boob sizes.

 

[MazingerDUDE]

- No tests of valour like in Sigma 2, WHY ?

They turned it to the tag missions in Sigma 2 remember?

 

[Timberwolf25]

Watching a dude right getting destroyed on Master Ninja difficulty is kinda heartening and dreadful at the same time.

 

[sainraja]

It has been a while since I played the first (I did finish it), and I remember trying out NG2 on 360 but didn't finish. Don't get me wrong, the game is fun, I am enjoying it, but given the fact that some of you scrutinize God of War and other games, where it seems ya'll are just being nitpicky, I am not sure how you can give this game the best action game title so easily. The camera and the fixed camera angles don't really work for this game, and people that complain about hand holding blah blah... how can you be okay with some of the things this game is doing? For example, I can hold the "heavy" attack button and let go, and then whatever happens on screen is beyond my control? I know you can control the direction but most of what is happening is just for style. Anyway, feel like I am ranting now haha.

Again, I am fine with this and can deal with it but seeing some people's comments in here and comparing them with things they have said in the past just makes me question a lot of things people say.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Make sure in the settings, that you have 60 fps and not 120 fps (if that is an option). Even on the SX/PS5, this supposedly makes a big difference in the look of the game.

Make sure to download playing on cloud looks bad

I didn’t see a 120 option, and 100% downloaded.

I just don’t think the S can handle it.

 

[TheDarkPhantom]

"I am Volf, Lord of Storms!" This made me lmao when I played through this game on PS3 Will pick this up eventually, looks like they did a great job with it

 

[GeorgioCostanzaX]

Glad this released on PS5 I was shocked to see it when I logged in. Hopefully will be the same for NG4.