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[Haunted]

Surprised Pachter says the WiiU was sold out, I thought most US GAFers said you could find them easy.

I'm getting less and less interested in each subsequent NPD when I see the headline (physical retail only) and no concrete numbers.

Like, you never know if the continuing YoY decline really means it's looking bad for the US gaming market, or if it's actually holding steady or if it's actually growing (and it's just retail that's shrinking). It's impossible to say without digital. I think NPD really needs to step it up because it's getting hard to take market analysis based on only the retail portion of the market seriously (and I say that as someone who is really interested in that data).

It's like someone saying news organisations are done because he's checked the print numbers, and man, they are looking bleak. Well, maybe retail isn't as far down that path as the print industry, but we're getting there.

 

[grandjedi6]

No.

"Website not to be mentioned" had the sales of ZombiU at -----------------
That website isn't extremely accurate but it does give a good indication of how games are doing.

If it was really close to that after 1 week then I would say that is pretty damn good.

No. That website gives us indication of nothing. Also, I'd remove those numbers

 

[frankie_baby]

No.

"Website not to be mentioned" had the sales of ZombiU at 91,394 from the 18th to the 24th.

That website isn't extremely accurate but it does give a good indication of how games are doing.

If it was really close to that after 1 week then I would say that is pretty damn good.

Its not just the website that shouldn't be mentioned its the numbers, I'd get rid of that sharpish if I were you

 

[Penguin]

From Nintendo

Wii U: Following its launch on Nov. 18 and with only seven days of sales captured in the data, Wii U sold more than 425,000 units, nearly matching the Wii system’s first-week total of 475,000. On the software front, New Super Mario Bros. U sold more than 243,000 units, an attach rate of nearly 60 percent.

Nintendo 3DS: The platform kicked off its second holiday season by selling nearly 540,000 units and has now sold nearly 6.5 million units life to date. Additionally, Mario Kart 7 became the second Nintendo 3DS game to cross 2 million units sold in the U.S.

Wii: In its seventh November, Wii sold 420,000 units and has now sold more than 40 million units in the United States alone.

Nintendo DS: In its 97th month overall, Nintendo DS sold more than 370,000 units and will cross 53 million units sold life to date in the next few days.

 

[MikeE21286]

More interested in seeing the AC3: Liberation numbers.

Especially if we get bundled numbers

 

[eternalb]

Wii U: Following its launch on Nov. 18 and with only seven days of sales captured in the data, Wii U sold more than 425,000 units, nearly matching the Wii system’s first-week total of 475,000. On the software front, New Super Mario Bros. U sold more than 243,000 units, an attach rate of nearly 60 percent.

From press release

Edit: Beaten

 

[Snowden's Secret]

I'm going to attempt some math here. Let me know if I'm wrong. I probably am.

Didn't the Wii sell 576K launch month? If I attempt math by revenue at $249, multiply it by the 21 percent boost, and divide by the 35 percent hardware boost number I get roughly 516K Wii Us sold for the month.

That doesn't account for games or accessories, though they might cancel out in the end. Either way the number certainly sounds reasonable. That number plus some number of Wiis would put it in line with what we know about 360 units.

 

[schuelma]

Pretty decent Wii U numbers. The months ahead will be more telling.

 

[frankie_baby]

they have!


...but they're still manufacturing DSi and will likely continue to do so for a long long time.

You know what I mean and I don't believe we know either way if they've stopped making dsi

 

[Eric C]

DS being up and 3DS down tells us that there is still huge confusion regarding the platforms. They are so close in price that DS should die and 3DS get those sales but it's not happening. Really bizarre.

Well Nintendo did make and post this video just a few days ago.

Nintendo Handheld Differentiation Walkthrough

 

[MrDaravon]

From Nintendo

Nintendo's spin on the Wii U stuff seems weird.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

From Nintendo

Unsurprising given the trends of the year, but VERY surprising given the trends of prior years. Nintendo is down.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

Yeah can't tell anything from that, similar launch week numbers as the Wii. Software breakdown should be interesting though!

 

[NateDrake]

From Nintendo

Mario is lower than expected but not a bad showing for only 7 days. December will surely have stronger sales for Mario.

 

[Kusagari]

Those NSMB numbers aren't bad.

And if that's what's considering meaningful, I can see easily see ZombiU bubbling around 100k, which wouldn't be bad at all.

 

[Elios83]

From Nintendo

Wow I was really close on all the Nintendo systems, too bad that I thought Wii would slightly edge out the Wii U.

 

[Bruno MB]

Nice to see that Nintendo weren't ashamed to show their numbers.

 

[Coolio McAwesome]

For those wondering, here's what the Top 10 looked like in November 2006 (the month when the Wii and PS3 were released)

1.Gears of War - Microsoft 1M units (Includes Collectors's Edition )
2.Final Fantasy XII - Square Enix 896K units
3.The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - NOA 412K units
4.Guitar Hero 2 w/ Guitar - Activision 356K units
5.WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2007 - THQ 348K units
6.Call of Duty 3 - Activision 333K units
7.Madden NFL 2007 - EA 250K units
8.Need for Speed: Carbon - EA 237K units
9.Nintendogs: Dalmation & Friends - NOA 219K units
10.Pokemon Ranger - NOA 206K units

There were no PS3 games on the list, and there was only one Wii game on the list. If the list had compiled multiple SKUs into one (as current NPD lists do), then Twilight Pricncess would have had a hard time making the Top 10 at all. The Wii ended up selling 476K for the month (compared to 197K for the PS3 and 511K for the 360, and 664K for the PS2). I don't think anyone would label the Wii launch as a failure, and the system was a pretty huge success.

In closing, anyone that was expecting to see WiiU games in the Top 10 was completely clueless, plain and simple.

 

[Pooya]

edit: lol late

 

[miksar]

Wow, 3DS numbers are not as bad as I predicted, I thought it would be around 400K.

 

[Miles X]

Funny, 360 outsold the Wii the exact same amount as it did last Nov, 840,000

 

[nasos_333]

Even though the 360 has declined compared to last year, having its third best November ever is pretty good going considering this is its 8th November on sale.

Indeed, generally xbox 360 had two huge spikes in 2010 and even more in 2011 and now is back to 2009 levels, but is still selling great

I think it will be hard to recreate the Kinect and Slim effect that created the huge 2010-11 sales, especially now that the market is so much more saturated

 

[ffdgh]

From Nintendo

decent for half a month for wii u

3ds is good and congratz mk7
DS and Wii are leeches tho.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

I'm trying to compare to past launches but didn't 360 have a couple of games in the software top 10 back when it launched?

360's best selling launch game was COD2 at 260k. It made top 10 individual SKUs, but would not have made a combined top 10.

 

[shinra-bansho]

The average increase in price is based on the MSRP of the average of the Premium and Basic. So any calculation based on it is assuming an equal number of units sold of both models, which I doubt is the case considering the latter's gained something of a tard pack status.

If 100% of revenue was Premiums = 411K
If 100% of revenue was Basics = 479K
50/50 = 443K

EDIT: Oh, Nintendo PR.

 

[chertipros]

LOL no.

ALOT of kids want wii u's for christmas this year. And I'm not even just talking about that nielson poll either

 

[confuziz]

Wow I was really close on all the Nintendo systems, too bad that I thought Wii would slightly edge out the Wii U.

Yeah..me too :-(

 

[CosmicQueso]

In closing, anyone that was expecting to see WiiU games in the Top 10 was completely clueless, plain and simple.

No smarter thing has been pointed out in this thread.

 

[Pociask]

Regarding Nintendo's PR: Man, why do they have to be so damn tight fisted with their digital numbers?! This would have been a great opportunity to say, At retail, NSMBU did ____, and more than x gamers bought it online! Instead, silence .

Tip of the hat to the DS, still printing money after all these years. Greatest handheld ever, or greatest video game system ever?

 

[schuelma]

I think the Wii U numbers look better in comparison to 2006 when you look at the Wii sales for this month- I assume they are much higher than GameCube 2006 numbers.

 

[verbum]

Which kind of makes sense, since Nintendo's sales have only fairly recent dried up and Sony basically sat this entire holiday out.

What was Sony planning 2 years ago to launch in the 2012 holiday season? Did they cancel a big game?

 

[Kusagari]

Those 3DS numbers are actually pretty surprising.

I expected lower considering how low it's Black Friday numbers were.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

It looks to me like the die hard Nintendo fans came out for the platform after seeing that 60% tie in rate in NSMBU. It's all really disappointing in the big picture though.

 

[Guevara]

Well Nintendo did make and post this video just a few days ago.

Nintendo Handheld Differentiation Walkthrough

Nintendo needs to make their shit look different and use different names.

Consumer confusion is real.

 

[ZedIndyLil]

Yay, Nintendo gave numbers straight out, despite them not being the most flattering in all aspects. DS is definitely stealing some of the (shrinking) portable market from 3DS.

Didn't realize NPD ended right in the middle of Thanksgiving weekend. I can kind of believe some supply constraints on Wii U through then.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

DS & 3DS.

"Why dont we just have both?" lol

 

[Conflict NZ]

Creamsugar Request: Persona 4 Golden numbers please!

 

[sphinx]

edit: lol late

he has a point, 1.75 million are choosing the nintendo Brand, that's something.

I wonder how Sony team compares, 3 consoles (or 4? is PS2 still selling?) in the market

 

[Eric C]

Wii U: Following its launch on Nov. 18 and with only seven days of sales captured in the data, Wii U sold more than 425,000 units, nearly matching the Wii system’s first-week total of 475,000. On the software front, New Super Mario Bros. U sold more than 243,000 units, an attach rate of nearly 60 percent.

I'm assuming NSMBU numbers include eshop downloads too?

What was the attach rate for Twilight Princess?

 

[GarthVaderUK]

How do those Nintendo numbers compare to last November?

 

[Kandinsky]

Oh shit totally forgot about Epic Mickey, bomba I guess, fuuuuu

 

[Bruno MB]

Nintendo 3DS: 540,000 (-32.08%).

 

[Kagari]

Hitman likely bombed as well.

 

[RoboPlato]

That has to be the least surprising software top 10 I've ever seen.

 

[Painraze]

2013 is gonna be brutal for Nintendo... wow.

 

[Aquamarine]

I'm assuming NSMBU numbers include eshop downloads too?

What was the attach rate for Twilight Princess?

412K for 475K consoles sold... so around 0.87 to 1.

 

[chertipros]

I'm starting to think some of those 400k wii's were bought by accident

 

[nasos_333]

3DS selling less YoY is definitely the biggest fail in this whole november NPD story.

people buying DSs MORE than last year indicates people haven't got the memo that next gen already arrived.

good job nintendo, now call your nextgen consoles "3DS advance" and "Wii U Elite" and watch as people continue buying regular DSs and Wiis in 2020.

such morons.

3DS software has slowed down and major games like Bravely Default are kept in Japan only, so 3DS is becoming less tempting

I would buy one with Bravely Default in US, but as it is i will probably just wait

Keeping a game like that away from US is crazy imo, they should help Square localize it

 

[Penguin]

How do those Nintendo numbers compare to last November?

Wii + Wii U= ~ Wii last year
I think 845k to 860k

3DS is down big, and the DS being open isn't helping the gap

 

[MikeE21286]

Those 3DS numbers are actually pretty surprising.

I expected lower considering how low it's Black Friday numbers were.

They are very good from that perspective IMO.

Healthier sales, not blindly driven by a falsely commercialized Black Friday holiday.