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NPD Sales Results for August 2009
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marc^o^ said:
Nintendo fans dont seem to understand that the poor sales have nothing to do with quality. Im guessing a large portion of Wiis sold were to nongamers who will most likely never buy another game and only bust it out of the closet for Wii Sports with friends once in a while.
Flying_Phoenix
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Sushen said:
Because the PS3 is such a software monster right?
vanguardian1
poor, homeless and tasteless
You REALLY don't know what you're talking about here. Your NCAA comment already proves it, so I'll be nice and humor you with an answer anyways.Sho_Nuff82 said:
The franchise is dead on Wii because of how EA has treated it, not the audience OR the hardware. Madden would be dead on any other platform as well if it were treated the same as they did with Madden on Wii, it's been nothing more than a feign of support for the console.
TheDuce22 said:
who is having poor sales? the only game suffering from poor sales on Wii by EA is Madden
Deaf Space has not come out and Tiger Woods/GST/EA Active have done good (GST did as could as a console tennis game could, it's been years since one was big outside of Wii Sports
Not sure what you are trying to argue
TheDuce22 said:
Poor sales are also relative to the genre. No (non mascot) tennis game burned the charts for a long time, and Tiger Wood sales are pretty good, more than next gen variants). For example, Shawn White Snow on Wii did more than 1M in 2008 and is the only version to get a sequel.
This doesn't make sense at all. Everyone who have been in sales-age threads recently knows that PS3 and Wii sell about the same amount of games per sold console, and X360 sells the most games per sold console. Last time I've heard it was about 7 games per console with PS3 and Wii and about 9 games per console with X360. Someone correct me since these aren't precise.TheDuce22 said:
IF we forget the installed platform number differences, then the Wii sells the most software (overall software).
plagiarize
Banned
people still focussing on the past. blah blah blah aligned launches blah blah blah.
it was stupid when sony fans were doing it two years ago to show the PS3 doing well.
it's stupid now that microsoft fans are doing it to show that the PS3 has a long way to go to 'catch the 360'.
only fanboys care about aligned launches and install bases.
if this time next year the PS3 is selling more hardware and software monthly than the 360 is, it won't matter if they still haven't caught up in install base.
what has happened has happened. where the majority of money is being spent in MONTHLY charts is far more important than install base. especially to gamers wondering where the next software is going to be coming from and where it's going to go.
the Joker DLC clearly had a large effect on Arkham Asylum, good move there from Sony. Sony fans it seems WILL buy a multiplatform game that doesn't look any better on their system then it does on the 360 so long as you give them a little extra.
'multiplatform resentment' has always been a really weird part of the PS3 sales to me, where games with adequate (but slightly inferior) ports on PS3 did terrible sales because the Sony fans decried being treated as secondary, ignoring that they still had a good if not great version of a great game.
next month is going to be interesting. i presume we're thinking that ODST isn't going to move many systems, which seems logical... but i'm not going to guarantee Sony beating the 360 just yet.
i just think it's more likely.
as ever, Sony don't seem to have an eye on NPD figures with their release dates and have launched a product or a title at the tail end of one reporting period.
it just goes to continue to show that they don't care as much about NPD placement as many of us here do.
the slim has definately given sales a shot in the arm, but enough of a shot in the arm? i haven't seen signs of that yet. we'll see what the holiday spending power brings.
it was stupid when sony fans were doing it two years ago to show the PS3 doing well.
it's stupid now that microsoft fans are doing it to show that the PS3 has a long way to go to 'catch the 360'.
only fanboys care about aligned launches and install bases.
if this time next year the PS3 is selling more hardware and software monthly than the 360 is, it won't matter if they still haven't caught up in install base.
what has happened has happened. where the majority of money is being spent in MONTHLY charts is far more important than install base. especially to gamers wondering where the next software is going to be coming from and where it's going to go.
the Joker DLC clearly had a large effect on Arkham Asylum, good move there from Sony. Sony fans it seems WILL buy a multiplatform game that doesn't look any better on their system then it does on the 360 so long as you give them a little extra.
'multiplatform resentment' has always been a really weird part of the PS3 sales to me, where games with adequate (but slightly inferior) ports on PS3 did terrible sales because the Sony fans decried being treated as secondary, ignoring that they still had a good if not great version of a great game.
next month is going to be interesting. i presume we're thinking that ODST isn't going to move many systems, which seems logical... but i'm not going to guarantee Sony beating the 360 just yet.
i just think it's more likely.
as ever, Sony don't seem to have an eye on NPD figures with their release dates and have launched a product or a title at the tail end of one reporting period.
it just goes to continue to show that they don't care as much about NPD placement as many of us here do.
the slim has definately given sales a shot in the arm, but enough of a shot in the arm? i haven't seen signs of that yet. we'll see what the holiday spending power brings.
dialmydrive
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JoshuaJSlone said:
:lol The vgwidgetz.com domain was purchased for that very reason.
polyh3dron
Banned
Yeah the games on PS3 look so much shittier than those on PS2, you are ABSOLUTELY rightTunaLover said:
Not much of interest in this NPD. Wii Sports Resort is doing well but not as well as I had though, but then again the Wii is a long-legs type of SW selling machine.
I'm really surprised to see Dissidia on that list; I think that certainly bodes well for FFXIII when it hits. The series obviously still has great brand name recognition.
I honestly don't think ODST will sell any notable amount of consoles. In fact I'll be surprised if ODST even touches Halo 3's sales.
OH NO YOU DI'N'T
I'm really surprised to see Dissidia on that list; I think that certainly bodes well for FFXIII when it hits. The series obviously still has great brand name recognition.
yurinka said:
I honestly don't think ODST will sell any notable amount of consoles. In fact I'll be surprised if ODST even touches Halo 3's sales.
TheDuce22 said:
OH NO YOU DI'N'T
plagiarize said:
You do realize you're in an NPD thread? This happens every month... I've been reading Neogaf NPD threads since early 2007 just recently became a member. I'm a fanboy of numbers... I love this shit. So to you the only thing that matters is NPD numbers from today onward? I can never understand this mentality... the Wii has been kickin' the X360's ass for almost 3 years... yet if the 360 somehow started pulling numbers higher or even the PS3 manages to do so it will NEGATE the past 3 years of data?
If this scenario did indeed happen I'd be more interested in if either the X360 or PS3's lead is as substantial and consistent as the Wii's dominance once was. The only thing we can compare to is the past... unless you have a flying DeLorean
milanbaros
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I think EA have blown it with Madden and Wii. They would have been better off positioning it along side the HD versions and be content with the fact it sold so so. Instead they've played around and been left with fuck all.
Stumpokapow
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Tashi0106 said:
pokemon-a-like by red software where you unearth fossils and then fight them. was called "we are fossil holders" in japan
Sho_Nuff82
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vanguardian1 said:
Madden 07 and 08 PS3 ran at half the framerate with worse textures than the 360 verison in both cases, 360 version (and logo) is used in all commercials to this day, and PS3 owners still bought it then and still buy it now.
Madden 07 and 08 both reviewed well, both controlled well (based on the content of those reviews), had exclusive content, and were one of only a handful of online games (and an even smaller subset of online sports games) on Wii. And they still sold like shit.
Stop making excuses.
EA's first two efforts with Madden this gen were no less earnest than their efforts with Tiger Woods.
I think this points very strongly towards several suggestions:
1) Motion controlled golf is more appealing than dual analog golf
2) Dual analog football is more appealing than motion controlled football
3a) People interested in football games preferentially purchase PS3s and 360s
3b) Wii owners by and large aren't interested in American football
4a) People interested in golf games preferentially purchase Wiis
4b) 360/PS3 owners by and large aren't interested in Golf
Gwanatu T said:
I think anyone who predicts less than 2 million in sales for the first calender month its on shelves is being willfully ignorant. That's around half of Halo 3's pace, but it will still far and away outsell the #2 title 4-5x over.
Jtyettis said:
Microsoft likes to refer to revenue. Units-wise, they may not have, especially in January.
On the above discussion, I'm fine with downports. I plan on buying Dead Rising Wii after a price drop (if it was a better game, I'd have bought it at launch for $40), and I plan on buying Modern Warfare Wii (hopefully on sale for $40 somewhere), if it's competent. I think it would be good for publishers to enlist more outside developers to port their PS360 multi-platform titles to Wii like was done with Ghostbusters. I think it'd be good for the people in the industry, too, since it would employ more of the smaller developers to do Wii ports.
That's my position, anyways.
I'd have to agree with certain posters in saying that the reason for Madden's poor sales is down to the Wii itself. AFAIC, the audience for such a game would never have really existed on the Wii, and I don't think there's anything EA can really do to improve the franchise's sales on the Wii. Why does Tiger Woods perform so much better? Most likely because the audience for golf games is much wider and more varied than that for NFL games, and thus potential consumers for the title are more likely to own a Wii.
Tom Penny said:
No idea, I haven't bought either of them and didn't plan to. I got sick of GTA IV half way through.
Sho_Nuff82 said:
I think you're spot on with the Madden stuff.
Fair enough about ODST, I'm not trying to make any predictions here, just saying you know?
Aaron Strife
Banned
Uh Tiger Woods and EA Active both did extremely well and are quality games (no I don't care if you don't care about them, that's not the point)TheDuce22 said:
Boom Blox Bash Party iirc is doing par for the course compared to its predecessor and that ended up selling like 500k
I don't want to predict anything specific about Dead Space sales but I don't think it will do spectacularly, but it won't be a bomb either.
plagiarize
Banned
yes. i'm in a monthly sales thread. i'm not in a 'make up nonsense metrics' thread.rayner said:
from a real world gamer/market perspective yes.
developers and publishers won't care which console has the larger install base if we see PS3 software and hardware doing better month on month in the charts. they will focus their development on PS3 more than 360 because that will be where the money currently is.
to me, talking about install base is fantasy football geekery. if you're openly doing that, i have no issues. if you're arguing that it MEANS something, then yeah, i'm going to debate that cause it doesn't.
it's like people that argue that Microsoft or Sony have to make back all their previous losses for their gaming divisions to be seen as a success when that's completely ignorant of the reality of business.
we can look to the past to help predict trends going forwards. no question. but no developer is going to go 'sure the 360 is outselling the Wii now, but it didn't for three years so lets spend our money developing Wii games' should your scenario occur.If this scenario did indeed happen I'd be more interested in if either the X360 or PS3's lead is as substantial and consistent as the Wii's dominance once was. The only thing we can compare to is the past... unless you have a flying DeLorean
aligned launches, install base, etc etc. it's all just bragging rights that have little to no meaning in the business world.
as a gamer i care about the metrics that decide which games are made, how much is spent on them and which systems they will launch on, and when it comes to that, yes, the only thing that counts is how things have been doing over the last few months.
dragonfart28
Banned
plagiarize said:
If selling better on a month-by-month basis does not have any affect on software sales, then it will mean jack.
plagiarize
Banned
agreed.dragonfart28 said:
that's why i said 'PS3 software and hardware' and not just 'hardware'.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Same with Call of Duty 3. Once pubs started shorting Wii owners, I'm willing to bet most of them just said "fuck you" while buying games like Guitar Hero or Sonic that were given a fair shot from the start.botticus said:
It's like how Force Unleashed ended up selling better on Wii than PS3. There's a market there for the traditional kind of games, but when third parties start pulling shit like Madden All-Play where the cover is Favre pointing and laughing at you, they're not going to get those Wii owners' money.
Son of Godzilla
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plagiarize said:
I mostly agree, a good number of these extrapolations are nothing but silly. But what all those numbers and charts and bullhockey do is allow a person to look at the industry on a larger scale. It's more about magnifying the past and understanding what worked/didn't than straight up affecting the future.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
The Madden can't sell on Wii arguments are bullshit. The problem with Madden on Wii now is that EA sacrificed a market that did exist for one that didn't.
Madden 10 Wii is obviously an attempt to grab all those players who would have latched onto Tecmo Bowl on the NEs because it wasn't to complicated. Unfortunately those people would never play Madden in the first place.
EA should have stuck with developing a full fledged sports game with comparable modes.
Madden 10 Wii is obviously an attempt to grab all those players who would have latched onto Tecmo Bowl on the NEs because it wasn't to complicated. Unfortunately those people would never play Madden in the first place.
EA should have stuck with developing a full fledged sports game with comparable modes.
Aaron Strife said:
I don't think a Star Wars game - a brand perhaps on par with LEGO and Disney - can give us much conclusive evidence as to the specific demographics of Wii owners.
DeaconKnowledge said:
I'd partially agree with this. EA's handling of Wii Madden games has probably made a bad situation worse.
plagiarize
Banned
define 'significant' and how it will be obviously separate to any effect of the SKU juggling and the general up tick we see start to see in September.StoOgE said:
edit: this is a pretty unique release with little to compare to. it isn't an all new release. it's a side story without the franchises poster boy with largely recycled multiplayer. expecting too much from it is i think unfair.
personally i hope it does great so i can bash that guy i was debating with over whether or not the campaign or the multiplayer of Halo 3 accounted for it's success, and i was on the side of the campaign.
well, like i said data analysis can be useful for making predictions... but i don't see much value in something like aligned launch graphs which basically hide market trends, competition, etc etc, and install base is definitely secondary to monthly hardware and software sales.Son of Godzilla said:
it doesn't matter how many people have console X if they aren't buying software, and people have stopped buying console X.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Launch time differences are important though, and so you have to take them into account, although they get less important as time goes on. In the first year of the PS3 and Wii's release it would have been pointless to make a direct comparison to the 360 without acknowledging the launch difference.plagiarize said: