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[cobaltorange]

Basically you are saying consoles have a working business model and PC doesn't.

There was a chart recently, from Forbes, shows PC gaming going down and console going up.

I think that chart needs to be posted more around here. Let me see if I can dig it up.

So, are you ever going to post the chart?

 

[The Cockatrice]

I don't know what you're going on about. Both 23 and 24 had great games. Just because the games aren't genres that don't appeal to you, doesn't mean they're not good.

You must be 10 years old.

 

[Astray]

???

You brought Xbox console Gamepass users to the thread because???

Because this is a playtime thread.

Xbox users playing on Gamepass is counted by Xbox for their statistics (so do PC Gamepass users), Steam has no visibility on PC Gamepass (because it's on an entirely different launcher), so they don't count there.

Hope this helps.

 

[cobaltorange]

You must be 10 years old.

Because...? If you're going to respond, make it have a point.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Because...? If you're going to respond, make it have a point.

Because only someone born recently can claim with a straight face that 2023 and 2024 has better games than the previous golden years, which is what I said in case you missed the point.

 

[Soodanim]

Backlog, older PC, less free time, more interested in smaller games.

4 reason I'm not buying new releases. I can't in good conscience vote for GOTY if I didn't get anything from it.

The newest thing I bought was Shadow of the Erdtree DLC.

 

[cobaltorange]

Because only someone born recently can claim with a straight face that 2023 and 2024 has better games than the previous golden years, which is what I said in case you missed the point.

Well, that's a straw man if I've ever heard one. I never argued that they were better, I just said they still had great games. Regardless, I guess the discussion is pointless, since you think games are on an upswing, seeing as 23 was "far worse" than 24. We are so back!

 

[The Cockatrice]

Well, that's a straw man if I've ever heard one. I never argued that they were better, I just said they still had great games. Regardless, I guess the discussion is pointless, since you think games are on an upswing, seeing as 23 was "far worse" than 24. We are so back!

Yes thats exactly what you argued, because you skipped for obvious reasons my original post in this thread which you misquoted for lacking context, so, not only you can't read, you just wanted to argue nonsensically, nor did I ever claim that games are on an exact downwards line. Just because 2024 had an uptick of better games than the previous year it does not disregard my main claim at all. We are not back at all. The trend is still negative. If the following years continue to raise the bar, then yes, we can say we are back in a few years.

 

[FreeY$L]

Compare this with your typical console roster of games.

Besides, us PC gamers were always better at filtering the slop spewn out by the AAA devs. No settling for mediocrity just because of supporting the "latest thing in the industry".

Lmao only the slop known counter strike knife skins and team fortress 2 hats is accepted by the pc community

 

[Stuart360]

Not just a console vs PCMR angle mate, we all get PC has an extensive BC catalogue but if people spend time playing older games (2023 and older) and not buying games on PC it is not a great trend for publishers.

We know people look for sales everywhere but a stat like this would talk poorly about the value of PC customers for newly released non longeve GaaS titles.

You realise the percentages wouldnt be much better on console right?, and thats with console gamers only having a fraction of the games available to them that PC users have.

Do this same test on console and i bet it would be 20% tops.

All the Fortnites, Overwatches, PUBG's, Warzones, Apex, Minecraft, GTA's etc, are all older than 2024.

 

[poppabk]

Check any uk sales thread.

Will Europe do?

Sales-Age - Europe game sales 2024: dragon age TV, SW Outlaws, FF7 rebirth - all out of top 30

2024 is a rough year for new releases, so far. This is both physical and digital. Their tracking does seem to not include Palworld, Black Myth Wukong, and Balatro though.

www.neogaf.com

 

[sachos]

The thing is with Steam old games get such ludicrous discounts (90%+ in some cases) that you end up with huge collections of "old" AAA games. At some point you gotta start hitting your back catalog. Or be me and just start playing Onimusha series on PCSX2 lol.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Because this is a playtime thread.

Xbox users playing on Gamepass is counted by Xbox for their statistics (so do PC Gamepass users), Steam has no visibility on PC Gamepass (because it's on an entirely different launcher), so they don't count there.

Hope this helps.

For Steam only and what I am saying is that Steam is not the only source of new games for PC so Steam number only is hardly the total time for PC gamers playing games released on 2024.

 

[awwr999999]

Imagine if PSN review used #s from PS3/PS4/PS5 users versus ownership. It would be as low as this.

Factor in PS2s with built-in PS1s and the numbers will get real low. Same goes for Nintendo with SNES and all of their Gameboy variants.

Yeah 2024 was the year of the backlog. In addition to what everyone else said, there has been zero tech breakthroughs. Games look exactly the same now as they did 5 years ago.

The issue's bigger than just the last 5 years. Modern platforms are competing against their modern legacy HW (last 20 years +/-) for user's finite time.
40 years from now there will be dozens of brand new games and 60 years worth of great games (thousands) for users to chose from.
The situation gets worse when you factor in that the price of making games continues to grow along with key development factors - time and the number of people required.
Physical media poses a threat to gaming as a whole as there are offline consoles with libraries large enough to keep future gamers busy without ever buying a new game.

 

[Herbspiceguy]

I'm the outlier. 2024 has been an excellent year for smaller indie releases and Deadlock.

 

[YCoCg]

Does it count Steam being launched on Desktop as active? Because that's an important factor.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

Factor in PS2s with built-in PS1s and the numbers will get real low. Same goes for Nintendo with SNES and all of their Gameboy variants.

The issue's bigger than just the last 5 years. Modern platforms are competing against their modern legacy HW (last 20 years +/-) for user's finite time.
40 years from now there will be dozens of brand new games and 60 years worth of great games (thousands) for users to chose from.
The situation gets worse when you factor in that the price of making games continues to grow along with key development factors - time and the number of people required.
Physical media poses a threat to gaming as a whole as there are offline consoles with libraries large enough to keep future gamers busy without ever buying a new game.

I am fully prepared for any attempt at an all digital console future, I could continue to play or replay games in my collection and be just fine. It’s like movies/TV/music where there are some classics that will still be relevant and dominate the charts 30 or 40 years later. We are already seeing this with all of the remakes/remasters.

 

[IDKFA]

I still play Counter Strike: Source which was released 20 years ago. I also just purchased Dark Forces 2 for under £2, which is a game approaching 30 years old.

I just have more fun playing older games than new games.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Oh fuck off, at least thanks to Steam Deck I am playing some games. My total playtime in 2023 was 32hrs…

 

[Sentenza]

Vaguely related.

I've had Kingdom Come Deliverance in my library for years and never clicked.
I decided to give it another chance after my brother in law praised to it to no end to me during the Christmas dinner AND advised me to stick past the part where it bored me (the heavily scripted tutorial intro that ends with you being released in the starting citadel, basically).
I'm now fucking hooked, I've been playing this non-stop for the past week, I can clearly see why it had tons of fans past its occasional shortcomings and suddenly KCD 2 has jumped ahead and is more or less leading my "hype chart" for future releases.

 

[LordOcidax]

Only 15% of all Steam users' time was spent playing games released in 2024

Steam's end-of-year review of what we play and how we play makes for some interesting reading.

www.pcgamer.com

PCMR, when will you start supporting our hobby?

Spoiler

laughs in 3,317 Steam games owned lol

They spend most of the time buying graphics cards and CPUs and in discussions forums than playing… I am joking.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Yes Steam doesn't have a business model. I saw Gabe Newell outside my local supermarket selling newspapers. He lost a lot of weight.

 

[Sojiro]

They spend most of the time buying graphics cards and CPUs and in discussions forums than playing… I am joking.

Even if you are joking, there is a subset of PC gamers that I feel just do it to get in a dick measuring arms race of spending power, and boast about how great their benchmark scores are.

For me, the biggest strengths of PC gaming has always been the flexibility of the platform, and the communities when it comes to a lot of older games. I can still hop on active servers in UT99/2K4, and just recently got in on some private Enemy Territory Quake Wars servers, all of which are some of my favorite multiplayer games, and have been around for decades.

This also isn't even mentioning the plethora of mods that turn a game you have played through ten times into often a completely new experience. Between the OG game and many mods I have played, I can't even count the number of times I have played through Doom (the OG game, not 2016). A lot of this just depends on the games of course, because there sure as hell wasn't an issue with PC players buying Elden Ring or Balder's Gate 3.

 

[LordOcidax]

Even if you are joking, there is a subset of PC gamers that I feel just do it to get in a dick measuring arms race of spending power, and boast about how great their benchmark scores are.

For me, the biggest strengths of PC gaming has always been the flexibility of the platform, and the communities when it comes to a lot of older games. I can still hop on active servers in UT99/2K4, and just recently got in on some private Enemy Territory Quake Wars servers, all of which are some of my favorite multiplayer games, and have been around for decades.

This also isn't even mentioning the plethora of mods that turn a game you have played through ten times into often a completely new experience. Between the OG game and many mods I have played, I can't even count the number of times I have played through Doom (the OG game, not 2016). A lot of this just depends on the games of course, because there sure as hell wasn't an issue with PC players buying Elden Ring or Balder's Gate 3.

I know, i have a friend with a pc room that have more lights than a disco and a 4090 to play Age Of Empires 2 HD the whole day. The guy expend more time in 3D mark and tech demos than playing.