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[SmokedMeat]

At least Nvidia tried. They gave the market a good option at $599.

AMD product stack is weird.

7900 XTX $1000 MSRP
7900 XT $900 MSRP
7600 XT $300-350?

Where is the midrange?

They haven’t given a good option! The market has decided this card is overpriced as well, hence the reason they’re giving away $100 Steam cards a week after launch. Let’s not kid ourselves.

AMD’s stack is very odd indeed. I can only guess that they’re watching Nvidia flail around, and are wisely going after the segment that’s also ignored by Nvidia. At $650 I think the 6950XT is a strong offering, and honestly I don’t see a 7800XT beating that performance for dollar. It’s not going to be a good look, so let Nvidia continue to take the heat for poor value.

It’s just not a good price for performance generation for GPUs period. Doesn’t matter if it’s AMD or Nvidia. Hopefully Intel continues to make some strides, and doesn’t get greedy.

Edit: AMD already dropped the msrp of the 7900XT to $800. $900 was stupid on their part.

 

[iQuasarLV]

They haven’t given a good option! The market has decided this card is overpriced as well, hence the reason they’re giving away $100 Steam cards a week after launch. Let’s not kid ourselves.

AMD’s stack is very odd indeed. I can only guess that they’re watching Nvidia flail around, and are wisely going after the segment that’s also ignored by Nvidia. At $650 I think the 6950XT is a strong offering, and honestly I don’t see a 7800XT beating that performance for dollar. It’s not going to be a good look, so let Nvidia continue to take the heat for poor value.

It’s just not a good price for performance generation for GPUs period. Doesn’t matter if it’s AMD or Nvidia. Hopefully Intel continues to make some strides, and doesn’t get greedy.

uh oh, you said the trigger phrase. Prepare yourself...

 

[Leonidas]

They haven’t given a good option! The market has decided this card is overpriced as well, hence the reason they’re giving away $100 Steam cards a week after launch. Let’s not kid ourselves.

It is a good option. We are in a recession so sales are down.

I can only guess that they’re watching Nvidia flail around, and are wisely going after the segment that’s also ignored by Nvidia.

Nvidia will most likely launch the 4060 and/or 4060 Ti at around the same time as AMD does the 7600 XT. Nvidia isn't giving up any segment to AMD. Nvidia has had a steady release of cards since the launch last year while it seems to be a ~6 month gap with AMD. 4060 will probably be the highest selling card this gen, as usual.

 

[Skifi28]

4060 will probably be the highest selling card this gen, as usual.

At this point I expect it to be a 6GB card with the 4050 being 4GB.

*shivers*

 

[Crayon]

Waiting for that next price drop to get rid of 6800's.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Where is the midrange?

Cancelled

 

[Nvzman]

In which games? Benchmarks I’ve seen the A770 isn’t anywhere near 3070 level.

Spider-Man also gets very similar numbers but unfortunately you'd have to look at YouTube benchmarks for that one.
In a large amount of games at the moment the A770 is close to a 3060ti, but there are plenty of games where it performs closer to a 3070. Its still impressive as its a $340 card (and possibly cheaper) versus $450-550 cards and doesn't suffer from the VRAM issues of the 3060ti/70 at all. Its arguably the best mid-range value for the extra VRAM, and the A750 is the best lower end card in value period, as its only slightly slower than the A770 and that one is like $240.

Its also important to note that at launch the A770/A750 was much worse in performance, and as a result a lot of benchmarks from back then are basically obsolete. Through driver updates the performance has increased by a lot, and games that used to have problems (Dead Space) now run basically flawlessly. Any older game still exhibiting issues can just have DXVK applied to it and it should run fine.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Spider-Man also gets very similar numbers but unfortunately you'd have to look at YouTube benchmarks for that one.
In a large amount of games at the moment the A770 is close to a 3060ti, but there are plenty of games where it performs closer to a 3070. Its still impressive as its a $340 card (and possibly cheaper) versus $450-550 cards and doesn't suffer from the VRAM issues of the 3060ti/70 at all. Its arguably the best mid-range value for the extra VRAM, and the A750 is the best lower end card in value period, as its only slightly slower than the A770 and that one is like $240.

Its also important to note that at launch the A770/A750 was much worse in performance, and as a result a lot of benchmarks from back then are basically obsolete. Through driver updates the performance has increased by a lot, and games that used to have problems (Dead Space) now run basically flawlessly. Any older game still exhibiting issues can just have DXVK applied to it and it should run fine.

That’s pretty impressive. Plus that 16GB of VRAM.

 

[PeteBull]

At least Nvidia tried. They gave the market a good option at $599.

AMD product stack is weird.

7900 XTX $1000 MSRP
7900 XT $900 MSRP
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7600 XT $300? (probably going to be 8 GB too, an amount some here scoff at)

Where is the midrange?

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-gpu-drops-to-799-100-under-msrp 7900xt msrp got reduced to 800$ after few months of non existant sales of that model, so it can compete with 4070ti(and imo is better buy/value coz of 20gigs of vram/10% more perf on avg) if some1 is buying gpu to last at least 4-5years, for 1-2years i think argument is there for 4070ti to be still viable.

 

[Leonidas]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-gpu-drops-to-799-100-under-msrp 7900xt msrp got reduced to 800$ after few months of non existant sales of that model, so it can compete with 4070ti(and imo is better buy/value coz of 20gigs of vram/10% more perf on avg) if some1 is buying gpu to last at least 4-5years, for 1-2years i think argument is there for 4070ti to be still viable.

The MSRP is not $800, though, AMD.com has it listed for $849. Seems the official MSRP is still $899, AMD.com is listing $849 as a "Sale" price.

The market adjusted the price, not AMD.

RX 7900 XT sales seem non-existent at $800 too, there's a few models on Newegg now at $779.

The case can be made for either card, I think the VRAM thing is blown out of proportion. 12 GB will be fine for a while unless developers want their games to sell poorly.

AMD cards are a tiny fraction of the market and if you want more than 12 GB on Nvidia you have to spend around $1200. 12 GB should be what developers target for as there will be far more 12 GB cards sold than 16/20/24 GB cards.

 

[PeteBull]

The case can be made for either card, I think the VRAM thing is blown out of proportion. 12 GB will be fine for a while unless developers want their games to sell poorly.

Im banking on it as 3080ti user myself lol, but playing in 4k , some bad ports/especially sony exclusives, are bruteforced, and in 4k those textures gonna eat tons of vram- luckily played last of us many years back but im sure some other game will be like that too.

And ofc at nvidias 5k series launch i will have to upgrade no matter what, cant be helped here, dunno if i buy flagship or maybe 1card below, will see how the value and overall performance looks by then, so dunno in 1,5-2years maybe, but im already preparing mentally for nasty price around 2k usd msrp =/

 

[Crayon]

12 GB will be fine for a while unless developers want their games to sell poorly.

I think it would be more accurate to say that 12 will be fine unless it's not. For any reason.

 

[Trogdor1123]

So with those new amd chips should we expect decent price on these?

 

[PeteBull]

So with those new amd chips should we expect decent price on these?

No idea, i know we all repeat this borning sentence but- wait for independend benchmarks, check ur local streetprice or online price if u buy online, and only then make knowledgeable decision if and what particular card/model u wanna buy, dont give in to buyers fewer.

 

[winjer]

AMD Radeon RX 7600 Early Sample Offers RX 6750 XT Performance at 175W: Rumor

AMD is expected to debut its performance-segment Radeon RX 7600 RDNA3 graphics card in May-June 2023, with board partners expected to show off their custom-design cards in the 2023 Computex (June). Moore's Law is Dead reports that they've spoken to a source with access to an early graphics card...

www.techpowerup.com

AMD is expected to debut its performance-segment Radeon RX 7600 RDNA3 graphics card in May-June 2023, with board partners expected to show off their custom-design cards in the 2023 Computex (June). Moore's Law is Dead reports that they've spoken to a source with access to an early graphics card sample running the 5 nm "Navi 33" silicon that powers the RX 7600. This card, with development drivers (which are sure to be riddled with performance limiters); offers a 11% performance uplift over the Radeon RX 6650 XT, and a gaming power draw of 175 W (the RX 6650 XT pulls around 185-190 W).

This is still an early sample running development drivers, but a 11% performance boost puts it in the league of the Radeon RX 6700 XT. Should a production RX 7600 with launch-day drivers put on another 5-7% performance over this, the RX 7600 could end up with performance roughly matching the RX 6750 XT (a slim performance lead over the RTX 3070 in 1080p gaming). Should its power draw also hold, one can expect custom-design graphics cards to ship with single 8-pin PCIe power connectors. A couple of nifty specs of the RX 7600 also leaked out in the MLID report: Firstly, that 8 GB will remain the standard memory size for the RX 7600, as it is for the current RX 6650 XT. Secondly, the RX 7600 engine clock is reported to boost "above" 2.60 GHz.

 

[Bojji]

AMD Radeon RX 7600 Early Sample Offers RX 6750 XT Performance at 175W: Rumor

AMD is expected to debut its performance-segment Radeon RX 7600 RDNA3 graphics card in May-June 2023, with board partners expected to show off their custom-design cards in the 2023 Computex (June). Moore's Law is Dead reports that they've spoken to a source with access to an early graphics card...

www.techpowerup.com

They can go fuck themselves with this useless GPU (same for 4060 line from NV), 6700XT will still be much better choice.

 

[winjer]

They can go fuck themselves with this useless GPU (same for 4060 line from NV), 6700XT will still be much better choice.

Things are looking very bad for this generation of GPUs, from both AMD and NVidia.

 

[Bojji]

Things are looking very bad for this generation of GPUs, from both AMD and NVidia.

Exactly, AMD kind of fucked themselves because there is still a lot of 6xxx cards that are packed with VRAM and perfectly capable to play modern games for years to come, they can't really launch anything much slower than 7900XT bacause 6950XT exist.

Nvidia does whatever the fuck they want, lol.

I'm getting 4070 today but it pains me that i have to pay x% more for the same 3080 performance just with more ram and features, and i was there at 3080 launch and wanted to buy it (but there was no supply, ended up with 3070). 4070 is the only new cards that is somewhat reasonable to buy, if i didn't want Nvidia features i would stick with my 6800, or bought 6800XT/6900XT if i didn't have Navi already.

 

[Silver Wattle]

If the 7600 series has 8GB they will be useless.
12gb is the new entry level, if the 6700xt could make it viable 2 years ago, I see no reason why the 7600 can't in 2023.

I do not for a second buy any of these cost excuses, the ram is not expensive, this is purely a method to force upselling us.

 

[winjer]

Exactly, a brand new GPU in 2023, with only 8Gb is dead on arrival.

 

[Leonidas]

11-15% uplift gen over gen while using similar power is abysmal.

Sounds like the 3060 Ti might be faster.

This should be a $250 GPU, but knowing AMD they'll probably go for $300 MSRP...

 

[bbeach123]

6700xt was already almost 300$ , shit is DOA .

 

[SmokedMeat]

The MSRP is not $800, though, AMD.com has it listed for $849. Seems the official MSRP is still $899, AMD.com is listing $849 as a "Sale" price.

The market adjusted the price, not AMD.

RX 7900 XT sales seem non-existent at $800 too, there's a few models on Newegg now at $779.

The case can be made for either card, I think the VRAM thing is blown out of proportion. 12 GB will be fine for a while unless developers want their games to sell poorly.

AMD cards are a tiny fraction of the market and if you want more than 12 GB on Nvidia you have to spend around $1200. 12 GB should be what developers target for as there will be far more 12 GB cards sold than 16/20/24 GB cards.

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-has-effectively-announced-a-dollar100-price-cut-for-the-rx-7900-xt/#:~:text=Now, AMD has informed us that it is,for just $799, down from its $899 MSRP

I notice the tech channels are ringing the alarm online about VRAM not being enough, yet Nvidia fans on message boards want to keep pretending it’s not.
Have you seen how poorly developers are optimizing PC games lately? I wouldn’t bank on developers not going above 12GB in the next year or two, and I certainly wouldn’t want my $850 GPU to have to turn down settings that soon.

We’re literally seeing it firsthand with 8GB cards right now. Resident Evil looked like shit on my 3070ti. DLSS couldn’t save it.

 

[winjer]

AMD Radeon RX 7600 XT Launches on May 25

AMD Radeon RX 7600 XT reportedly launches on May 25, 2023. Moore's Law is Dead scored the key dates associated with the launch. The upcoming performance-segment graphics card is rumored to be based on the 5 nm "Navi 33" silicon and RDNA3 graphics architecture. Apparently, the tech press should...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Agent_4Seven]

 

[SportsFan581]

It's already been assumed for quite a while that the 7600 line was 8GB right? I thought they were even using the same boards as the 6600 line to save money?

The 7700 is probably the most interesting of the two, assuming they get more memory on those. The introductory prices won't be great but once they have factories full of them they might be great values in a year.

 

[winjer]

Seems like the 7800XT's are back in the menu.

Anticipation Builds as AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT Surfaces in Geekbench Benchmark Test

The eagerly awaited AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT has been spotted in a Geekbench benchmark result, fueling speculation about its imminent release. ...

www.guru3d.com

The eagerly awaited AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT has been spotted in a Geekbench benchmark result, fueling speculation about its imminent release.

The test system, labeled as "Advanced Micro Devices X670_E7", seemingly an internal AMD test configuration, was powered by an AMD Ryzen 9 7950X CPU and a massive 64 GB of RAM, running on Debian Linux.

Notably, the benchmark results of the Radeon RX 7800 XT may raise eyebrows, given its somewhat underwhelming performance. The card was assessed using Geekbench's Vulkan test, where it posted a score of 113,819 points. This score matches the performance of an AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT, which was previously tested on an older Ryzen 7 5700X system equipped with 32 GB of RAM. However, it's too early to pass judgment on the RX 7800 XT's capabilities based on this alone.

Interestingly, this listing could imply that AMD is gearing up to unveil its RX 7800 XT GPUs. However, the exact release date remains shrouded in uncertainty. It's speculated that the launch of the RX 7800 XT might be postponed, with AMD potentially rolling out lower-tier cards first. Despite these rumors, the excitement surrounding the RX 7800 XT's launch is palpable.

As Computex approaches, we may soon hear an official statement from AMD regarding the RX 7800 XT's launch. Until then, we can only anticipate and hope that this new entrant in the graphics card market will meet the high expectations.

 

[FireFly]

11-15% uplift gen over gen while using similar power is abysmal.

Sounds like the 3060 Ti might be faster.

This should be a $250 GPU, but knowing AMD they'll probably go for $300 MSRP...

Technically the 3060 had a similar power efficiency boost over the 2060.

 

[Black_Stride]

Wrong! Navi31 7900. Only big question is 7800XT it's 70CU Navi31 or 60CU navi32. 7700 is Navi32 100%. 7500/7600 Navi33

Notice the 7800XT is the only gfx1101 based GPU?

 

[SolidQ]

Notice the 7800XT is the only gfx1101 based GPU?

Yep, but we need wait to official. Maybe AMD jebaited us with gfx naming

 

[Black_Stride]

Yep, but we need wait to official. Maybe AMD jebaited us with gfx naming

Near every leak has been accurate.....but AMD is jebaiting us now?

 

[winjer]

Near every leak has been accurate.....but AMD is jebaiting us now?

Accurate? Between Moore's Law is Dead, Red Gaming Tech and Adored TV, they threw every possibility imaginable about RDNA3.
All of them failed, except the few that hit, because even a broken clock has the right time twice a day.

 

[SolidQ]

Near every leak has been accurate.....but AMD is jebaiting us now?

We don't have leaker, who exactly tell about AMD GPU, from Nvidia side we have Kopite. Seems AMD hide very well leaks
P.S if you remember most of them telling to us 3.3-3.7 ghz, but real frequency was ~2,5

All of them failed

but Angstronomics was right about specs
https://www.angstronomics.com/p/amds-rdna-3-graphics

 

[hinch7]

Full RDNA3 lineup

• AMD Radeon™ RX 7950 XTX | RDNA3 | gfx1100 | Full |
• AMD Radeon™ RX 7950 XT | RDNA3 | gfx1100 | Full |
• AMD Radeon™ RX 7900 XTX | RDNA3 | gfx1100 | Full |
• AMD Radeon™ RX 7900 XT | RDNA3 | gfx1100 | Full |
• AMD Radeon™ RX 7800 XT | RDNA3 | gfx1101 | Runtime |
• AMD Radeon™ RX 7700 XT | RDNA3 | gfx1102 | Runtime |
• AMD Radeon™ RX 7600 XT | RDNA3 | gfx1102 | Runtime |
• AMD Radeon™ RX 7500 XT | RDNA3 | gfx1102 | Runtime |
• AMD Radeon™ RX 7600M XT | RDNA3 | gfx1102 | Runtime |
• AMD Radeon™ RX 7600M | RDNA3 | gfx1102 | Runtime |
• AMD Radeon™ RX 7700S | RDNA3 | gfx1102 | Runtime |
• AMD Radeon™ RX 7600S | RDNA3 | gfx1102 | Runtime |

AMD confirms mainstream Radeon 7000 GPU launch this quarter, RX 7950XT spotted in ROCm pull request - VideoCardz.com

AMD finally confirms its plans for the mainstream Radeon GPU series During the Q1 2023 earnings call, AMD CEO and President Dr. Lisa Su admitted the company will have an update to the mainstream series this quarter. Radeon 6500/6650XT, Source: TweakTown It is not a secret that AMD is working on...

videocardz.com

Looks like a refresh is on the table.. 7950 XT and 7950 XTX. I'm guessing this will be the fixed Navi 31 stepping.

 

[Black_Stride]

AsRock seem to believe the 7600 wont be an XT model.

 

[SportsFan581]

AsRock seem to believe the 7600 wont be an XT model.

This could be a really interesting part depending on the pricing. Will they go back to last-gen MSRP (that might be a little high) or do they make it a little bit more reasonable from the start?

 

[Buggy Loop]

Accurate? Between Moore's Law is Dead, Red Gaming Tech and Adored TV, they threw every possibility imaginable about RDNA3.
All of them failed, except the few that hit, because even a broken clock has the right time twice a day.

Oh, RDNA 3 rumours were wild. I had so many arguments on here just to lower expectations. The rumours were just some magic quantum parallel universe where clocks are super high, watts are super low and somehow also trouncates Nvidia in every fields on a similar foundry node... some peoples are just insane.. MLID is the worst offender. He deletes the videos often when he's proven completely off.

 

[Kataploom]

This could be a really interesting part depending on the pricing. Will they go back to last-gen MSRP (that might be a little high) or do they make it a little bit more reasonable from the start?

AFAIK AIB partners were crying over "not knowing how to price new GPU to avoid profits loses" so I think they'll put them as high as possible.

 

[hinch7]

Oh, RDNA 3 rumours were wild. I had so many arguments on here just to lower expectations. The rumours were just some magic quantum parallel universe where clocks are super high, watts are super low and somehow also trouncates Nvidia in every fields on a similar foundry node... some peoples are just insane.. MLID is the worst offender. He deletes the videos often when he's proven completely off.

I remember them 'leaking' Navi 31 as 2-2.5x jump over Navi 21 lol.

Its ended up being like 1.3X or 1.4-1.5X in raytracing.

 

[Black_Stride]

~300-330 dollars.
So same launch price as the 6600.

The architectural advancements dont seem that great so this thing better frikken fly otherwise its gonna get eaten up by thr 6700XT which comes with 12Gb of VRAM and cost 320.

 

[Raphael]

~300-330 dollars.
So same launch price as the 6600.

The architectural advancements dont seem that great so this thing better frikken fly otherwise its gonna get eaten up by thr 6700XT which comes with 12Gb of VRAM and cost 320.

DOA if thats true. Sad. They need to price it at 250 tops, which i think it will quickly get to.

 

[SportsFan581]

Yikes. If that rumored pricing is true I can't see this doing much out of the gate.

Maybe in a year or so after some price drops.

 

[Buggy Loop]

~300-330 dollars.
So same launch price as the 6600.

The architectural advancements dont seem that great so this thing better frikken fly otherwise its gonna get eaten up by thr 6700XT which comes with 12Gb of VRAM and cost 320.

Yea fuck this gen. AMD is following Nvidia's steps

Intel save us

 

[SmokedMeat]

Yea fuck this gen. AMD is following Nvidia's steps

Intel save us

For the life of me I just can’t understand this.

 

[lestar]

8GB.... the only hope we have at this point is intel, how ironic

 

[DenchDeckard]

Launching end of May? 8gb....

Cmon Intel....arc 750 is a decent card tbh...I hope they gain some market share.

 

[Black_Stride]

Yea fuck this gen. AMD is following Nvidia's steps

Intel save us

8GB.... the only hope we have at this point is intel, how ironic

Launching end of May? 8gb....

Cmon Intel....arc 750 is a decent card tbh...I hope they gain some market share.

Intel really is our only hope.

Intel Arc B770:
A 3080/4070 class card with 16GB of VRAM at well under 500 dollars.
If they can find a way to bring it under 400 (even 399) then please gamers buy that thing, and leave all these AMD and Nvidia products on the shelves.
Both will have to learn what a price cut is sooner rather than later......and Nvidia can stop being bitches, the 4070(ti) PCB has 2 unused memory slots......what were those cards actually supposed to be....16GB?

I can all but guarantee there will be empty slots on the 4060(ti) PCBs as well.

 

[hinch7]

Yea fuck this gen. AMD is following Nvidia's steps

Intel save us

10-15% increase (supposedly) in performance in two years over the 6600XT. Launching after last gen stuff is being discounted at the same MSRP during the crypto boom.. lol. RDNA 3 sucks.

 

[Spyxos]

During the crypto boom, you almost had to pray that the graphics card wouldn't break. Now with the crappy new graphics card generation, you have to pray again that your old graphics card doesn't break, because you're buying the same graphics card again. And probably pay more.

 

[Silver Wattle]

Fuck buying anything with 8GB, you might as well punch yourself in the balls.